City open talks with Milan over Kaka!!

[Sarni]

FThe manager has a huge say. He's the one who runs things day to day. If the manager still wants him, Kaka can stay knowing he'd still play for Milan

Not at Milan. Ancelotti has very little to say and he does not make any key decisions.

Milan can accept the bid and they probably should given the large amount. But after that Kaka can easily say I don't want to leave. If he does move, it will be completely his decision. He's not being forced to do anything, let's not delude ourselves.

You're the deluded one if you think that if Kaka moves it will be entirely because he wants the money and wants to move. If Milan decide to sell him, they will ask him to leave and he will have to obey.

 

[VP]

You're the deluded one if you think that if Kaka moves it will be entirely because he wants the money and wants to move. If Milan decide to sell him, they will ask him to leave and he will have to obey.

What would happen if he refused to leave?

 

[Sarni]

What would happen if he refused to leave?

He wouldn't so there's not even point in debating. If your employer asks you to leave your workplace, you do as he tells.

Kaka has already said in the past that he would leave only if Milan asked him to leave.

 

[MikeUpNorth]

Players ceased to move clubs apart from moving to Chelsea?

Besides, they hardly overpaid for anyone. They signed a lot of player, but mostly at acceptable fees. Only the signings of Essien and Drogba were questionable at £24m each but they proved to be worth the money, and those were not even ridiculous fees at all.

And these two:

Shaun Wright-Phillips - £21 million
Paulo Ferreira - £13.2 million

 

[Sarni]

And these two:

Shaun Wright-Phillips - £21 million
Paulo Ferreira - £13.2 million

Well Wright-Phillips seemed like a very good winger at City and was tipped to become one of the best wingers in the country, so while £21m was a bit too much he was probably worth around £15m at the time.

As for Ferreira, he cost less than Bosingwa who's considered as a good buy. He was very good back in Portugal and did well at times for Chelsea as well. Not the best of buys, but full-backs can cost around £10m.

It's nothing like City paying £100m for Kaka.

 

[cesc's_mullet]

Because it's pointless to negotiate a fee by looking at how much Manchester City paid for someone. If that ever happens, players will no longer move clubs.

You're kidding right? That's exactly what's been happening for AGES.

 

[Sarni]

You're kidding right? That's exactly what's been happening for AGES.

Yes, with the measures being fees paid by normal clubs run by normal people using their own turnover.

City are well off the mark here and a £100m acquisition of Kaka could not be used as a measure by anyone because that would simply stop the market. It's one case when clubs overpay by £4m or £5m like United, Madrid or a host of Italian clubs, but it's another when someone simply puts a £100m bid for a player on the table. No one bar City would be able to buy players in such market and it would become dead in a minute.

See how prices of players have gone up by a few per cent each year. Top players, from £10m to £15m, from £15m to £20m and so on. They never skyrocketed by 300 per cent overnight.

 

[Ekeke]

Yes, with the measures being fees paid by normal clubs run by normal people using their own turnover.

City are well off the mark here and a £100m acquisition of Kaka could not be used as a measure by anyone because that would simply stop the market. It's one case when clubs overpay by £4m or £5m like United, Madrid or a host of Italian clubs, but it's another when someone simply puts a £100m bid for a player on the table. No one bar City would be able to buy players in such market and it would become dead in a minute.

See how prices of players have gone up by a few per cent each year. Top players, from £10m to £15m, from £15m to £20m and so on. They never skyrocketed by 300 per cent overnight.

It doesnt stop the market if the only club being asked to pay the fee is a club who just recieved a silly 100 million. They have the money, if they want the player they'll have to pay it. And if Milan arent willing to part with the bulk of their money for a player they themselves believe is good enough to replace the player they sold for 100 million, then Bayern can just offer him to City - And I doubt they'd turn it down to be honest as Robinho, Kaka and Ribery could play in the same team.

So realistically Bayern can demand a lot of money for Ribery if Milan do want him and knowing Bayern, they'll squeeze every penny of it.

 

[dev1l]

"The club is now pursuing another striker which it is very close to signing. Manchester City is about to unveil a new striker, but he is not called Kaka.

Maybe Bellamyhino?

Love to say that I was right.....

Man City agree price for Bellamy
Manchester City have agreed a fee with West Ham to sign striker Craig Bellamy, the London club have confirmed
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/m/man_city/7825118.stm

 

[Sarni]

It doesnt stop the market if the only club being asked to pay the fee is a club who just recieved a silly 100 million. They have the money, if they want the player they'll have to pay it. And if Milan arent willing to part with the bulk of their money for a player they themselves believe is good enough to replace the player they sold for 100 million, then Bayern can just offer him to City - And I doubt they'd turn it down to be honest as Robinho, Kaka and Ribery could play in the same team.

So realistically Bayern can demand a lot of money for Ribery if Milan do want him and knowing Bayern, they'll squeeze every penny of it.

It doesn't change much that Milan receive a hefty fee for Kaka. It obviously drifts the price up but only be a few per cent, not twice or thrice as you suggest. Selling both Diarra and Essien for over £20m did not change valuation of Lyon targets in coming years, they still managed to pick up the likes of Bodmer, Makoun and Toulalan for sensible prices.

And Bayern will also realize that the fact that Milan received £100m for Kaka doesn't mean they can all of a sudden afford to spend £80m on one player.

 

[Drifter]

Agent: Kaka still to be convinced


Manchester City are still looking to convince Kaka about their future plans, according to an agent involved in the deal.

A meeting was taking place on Monday afternoon involving key figures on the Milan board and the player’s father and agent, Bosco Leite.

Fifa agent Oscar Damiani, who acts on behalf of Milan in transfer dealings, says it is still a case of persuading the player that City can compete for silverware in the near future – and also revealed that the fee could be even higher than suggested.

"It is not yet finished,” Damiani told Radio Anch'io Sport.

“The negotiations between the club and the player’s father are very specific.

“I understand that the figure is in excess of the €100 million (£90m) suggested, but Kaka does not know what to do because I think he also looks at whether City may soon become a great team.

“We must also not forget that there is also the interest from Real Madrid."

Football agent Vincent Morabito, who has no direct involvement in the deal, believes that Kaka is now edging closer to rejecting the move.

"The feeling in the last few hours is that the player is going to stay, and it is logical that this is the case, given his age and the team he would be joining,” he told TMW.

“Going to Manchester City would be a hindrance to his career.

“AC Milan said they will evaluate the offer, but it is obvious that the final decision lies with the player.

“Nobody pointed a gun at Kaka’s head.

“We just have to wait and see what happens in the next few hours."

He added: “The offer is closer to €100 million than €50 million (£45m).”

Meanwhile, Italy boss Marcelo Lippi has said that he believes Kaka will remain at the San Siro.

“It was inevitable that Milan would hesitate when such an offer was put in front of them,” he told Italian reporters.

“Of course, the Sheikhs are in love with western football and want to create a team with their unique financial capabilities, but I think Kaka will stay at Milan.”

And former Italy boss Arrigo Sacchi has advised the player that he will be making a big mistake if he decides to leave.

"Greed is a bad motivation,” he said.

“If I were Kaka, I would think about it before going to City.

“Shevchenko, the Ukrainian, was attracted by a tycoon, and he went from Milan to Chelsea for economical rather than professional reasons.

“Today, he probably regrets his decision."

But he admitted: "I do not know if Milan will sell Kaka.

“If it happens, we must accept it with respect. In a time of global crisis, there must be less squandering and more attention to money."

Fans were protesting in front of the club’s headquarters as the meeting took place on Monday afternoon.

 

[Handjob Bob]

Good interview from his agent, I wonder if they keep going to the media to try and gauge people's response.

Everybody seems to be saying the same thing.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Yes, with the measures being fees paid by normal clubs run by normal people using their own turnover.

City are well off the mark here and a £100m acquisition of Kaka could not be used as a measure by anyone because that would simply stop the market. It's one case when clubs overpay by £4m or £5m like United, Madrid or a host of Italian clubs, but it's another when someone simply puts a £100m bid for a player on the table. No one bar City would be able to buy players in such market and it would become dead in a minute.

See how prices of players have gone up by a few per cent each year. Top players, from £10m to £15m, from £15m to £20m and so on. They never skyrocketed by 300 per cent overnight.

You're dreaming if you think that Chelsea's spending didn't inflate transfer fees across Europe. Stands to reason that City going on tilt would do the same.

 

[Sarni]

You're dreaming if you think that Chelsea's spending didn't inflate transfer fees across Europe. Stands to reason that City going on tilt would do the same.

How could Chelsea's spending inflate the market when they hardly overpaid for single players? Fees were mostly usual, it was the number of players that wasn't.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

How could Chelsea's spending inflate the market when they hardly overpaid for single players?

Can't be arsed going over individual fees but are you arguing that Chelsea's spending didn't inflate transfer fees? Seriously?

 

[VP]

He wouldn't so there's not even point in debating. If your employer asks you to leave your workplace, you do as he tells.

Kaka has already said in the past that he would leave only if Milan asked him to leave.

I'm no legal expert but you don't have to leave when you have signed a contract. Remember Winston Bogarde?

And if Kaka does fulfil his contract then Milan aren't exactly going to let their best player rot in their reserves for showing excessive loyalty.

 

[Sarni]

Can't be arsed going over individual fees but are you arguing that Chelsea's spending didn't inflate transfer fees? Seriously?

A little, by several per cent (because they usually slightly overpaid for players, not heavily though as Man City intend to do), as did spendings of Italian clubs in early 2000s. Obvious to happen with fresh £200m being pumped into the market.

Notice how the cash flowed because it was distributed to numerous clubs rather than just a couple too.

There were various reasons for prices going up. The process have lasted for years and will go on for a lot longer, with or without the money City can offer.

Besides, Chelsea usually paid what several other clubs would have been prepared to pay as well - they just bought many players instead of 1 or 2 per window because they needed to build a strong squad quickly. City are about to pay what no one else is and no one else will be able to match.

City's acquisition of Kaka won't all of a sudden raise all the prices by 200% though, it's impossible. Their spendings may cause a 5% or 10% inflation but not 150% or 200%.

 

[Sarni]

I'm no legal expert but you don't have to leave when you have signed a contract. Remember Winston Bogarde?

And if Kaka does fulfil his contract then Milan aren't exactly going to let their best player rot in their reserves for showing excessive loyalty.

Bogarde was a completely different case.

Kaka will leave if Milan ask him to leave. So would any player in their right mind asked to depart.

 

[VP]

How could Chelsea's spending inflate the market when they hardly overpaid for single players? Fees were mostly usual, it was the number of players that wasn't.

It's basic inflation. Chelsea bought an injection of money into the footballing economy which led to inflated prices. See Zimbabwe on a much smaller scale.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

A little, by several per cent (because they usually slightly overpaid for players, not heavily though as Man City intend to do), as did spendings of Italian clubs in early 2000s. Obvious to happen with fresh £200m being pumped into the market.

Notice how the cash flowed because it was distributed to numerous clubs rather than just a couple too.

There were various reasons for prices going up. The process have lasted for years and will go on for a lot longer, with or without the money City can offer.

City's acquisition of Kaka won't all of a sudden raise all the prices by 200% though, it's impossible. Their spendings may cause a 5% or 10% inflation but not 150% or 200%.

Ah, ok. We're agreed then Thought you'd gone mental for a second

150-200% inflation is ridiculous but there will definitely be a knock-on affect in terms of transfer fees. What's really dangerous about even a 5-10% hike in the fees being asked is that this will happen at a time when most clubs would have probably been looking to try and reduce the fees being paid, in view of the tremendous financial instability they're all operating under.

 

[Q80]

How could Chelsea's spending inflate the market when they hardly overpaid for single players? Fees were mostly usual, it was the number of players that wasn't.

Spending in full

2007

Aug Juliano Belletti Barcelona £3.7m
July Florent Malouda Lyon £13.5m
June Tal Ben Haim Bolton Free
June Claudio Pizarro Bayern Munich Free
June Steve Sidwell Reading Free

2006

Aug Ashley Cole Arsenal £5m
Aug Khalid Boulahrouz Hamburg £7m
June John Mikel Obi Lyn £16m
May Ben Sahar Hapoel Tev Aviv £320,000
May Andrei Shevchenko AC Milan £30.8m
May Salomon Kalou Feyenoord £8m
May Michael Ballack Bayern Munich Free

2005

Aug Michael Essien Lyon £24.4m
July Shaun Wright-Phillips Manchester City £21m
July Lassana Diarra Le Havre £1m
July Scott Sinclair Bristol Rovers £160,000
June Asier Del Horno Athletic Bilbao £8m
Jan Jiri Jarosik CSKA Moscow £4.83m
July Ricardo Carvalho Porto £19.85m
July Didier Drogba Marseille £24m
July Tiago Benfica £8m
July Mateja Kezman PSV Eindhoven £5m
July Paulo Ferreira Porto £13.2m
July Arjen Robben PSV Eindhoven £12m

 

[Pogue Mahone]

As that info shows (thanks, Q80) the way Chelsea inflated the market was as much about the sheer numbers of players signed in a short period of time, rather than paying megabucks for any one player. Their total spend, over 3 or 4 years, was pretty close to what United (the previous biggest spenders) had forked out in the last 10.

If City come close to that kind of spending spree it's going to have a very significant effect on transfer fees throughout Europe.

 

[VP]

Kaka will leave if Milan ask him to leave. So would any player in their right mind asked to depart.

Not when the fans (who are the lifeblood of the club especially in Italy where the Ultras are so well organized), players and the manager all want him to stay. We're going around in circles here though.

Anyway my point is that if Kaka moves it's completely his choice. If he really didn't want to move, he could just reject City's contract. But naturally he's a bit tempted by it otherwise he'd would've nipped this whole thing in the bud.

 

[Q80]

The ones I got issues with are:

1. Paulo Ferreira £13.2 mil? They got Cashley for £5 mil
2. Ricardo Carvalho £20 mil?
3. Shevchenko £30 mil??

The rest I agree with, give or take. Especially Drogba, Essien, Malouda and Belletti.

Although.. I think they missed out Damien Duff?

 

[Sarni]

Ah, ok. We're agreed then Thought you'd gone mental for a second

150-200% inflation is ridiculous but there will definitely be a knock-on affect in terms of transfer fees. What's really dangerous about even a 5-10% hike in the fees being asked is that this will happen at a time when most clubs would have probably been looking to try and reduce the fees being paid, in view of the tremendous financial instability they're all operating under.

That's why I think that if Milan wanted to replace Kaka with Ribery, they'd have to pay about £40m to £45m and not £80m. A price would be similar to what Bayern would have asked for a while ago, maybe upped by a further few per cent.

A reasoning that Bayern would all of a sudden demand £80m because Kaka cost £100m doesn't appeal, neither does the argument that they will go and offer Ribery to City - at the end of the day City can't sign everyone in the market and when City are not interested in your player then you have to take the second best option. Those £45m would still have a huge power in the market while dealing in non-City trades.

I still hope that City won't pay those £100m for Kaka or Messi or anyone else because I don't really want Milans and Barcelonas to operate with that money. What those spastic sheikhs do not realize is that £100m is far more powerful in hands of world's best clubs than a single player.

Unless they obviously attempt to buy every single player on the planet.

 

[Kaos]

How could Chelsea's spending inflate the market when they hardly overpaid for single players? Fees were mostly usual, it was the number of players that wasn't.

Not really, its not really about how big the fees were for single players, but how they paid too much money for ordinary players.

They averaged around £15million each for players like Ferreira, Mikel and Malouda. I would have admitted that Shevchenko would have been a bargain even at £30million if he continued his Serie A form at Chelsea, but he didnt so you can also add him to that list.

 

[Q80]

Bad news in terms of the Kaka transfer (dunno if its been posted in this debate, too many pages to look through and i just got home):

Kaka saying farewell?

​

Hope not.

 

[Sarni]

As that info shows (thanks, Q80) the way Chelsea inflated the market was as much about the sheer numbers of players signed in a short period of time, rather than paying megabucks for any one player. Their total spend, over 3 or 4 years, was pretty close to what United (the previous biggest spenders) had forked out in the last 10.

If City come close to that kind of spending spree it's going to have a very significant effect on transfer fees throughout Europe.

Just what I said. Besides, Chelsea were interested in plenty of players at the time and prepared to pay the asking price usually, so all other clubs had to be prepared as well. There wasn't much space for negotiation when you wanted a player that was also on their list, and there were too many of them.

1. Paulo Ferreira £13.2 mil? They got Cashley for £5 mil
2. Ricardo Carvalho £20 mil?
3. Shevchenko £30 mil??

The rest I agree with, give or take. Especially Drogba, Essien, Malouda and Belletti.

Although.. I think they missed out Damien Duff?

The list does not include 2003/04 signing, they are here:

Glen Johnson 15/07/03 RB West Ham United 6.0

Geremi 16/07/03 MF Real Madrid 7.02

Wayne Bridge 21/07/03 LB Southampton 7.0

Damien Duff 21/07/03 LW Blackburn Rovers 17.0

Joe Cole 06/08/03 MF West Ham United 6.6

Juan Veron 06/08/03 MF Manchester United 15.0

Adrian Mutu 14/08/03 FW Parma 15.8

Alexei Smertin 25/08/03 MF Girondins Bordeaux 3.5

Hernan Crespo 26/08/03 FW Inter Milan 16.8

Neil Sullivan 29/08/03 GK Tottenham Hotspur free

Claude Makelele 01/09/03 MF Real Madrid 16.7

They overpaid for Ferreira but then again Mourinho wanted him badly and he came from freshly crowned Champions of Europe. £13m was too much but not by far, he was probably worth about £8m to £10m at the time.

Carvalho is pure class and worth every penny out of that £20m in my view.

As for Shevchenko, well, he flopped, but you cannot deny his class. He was simply one of the Europe's best strikers for the past few seasons before joining Chelsea and you do not buy players like that for low fees. £30m was probably his realistic market value at the time.

There are a few questionable ones but the point is, they never doubled or trebled the value of players, they just added £2m or £3m when necessary.

 

[Sarni]

Bad news in terms of the Kaka transfer (dunno if its been posted in this debate, too many pages to look through and i just got home):

Kaka saying farewell?

​

Hope not.

Funny how they all bid farewell to each other, perhaps City want them all.

 

[Sarni]

Not really, its not really about how big the fees were for single players, but how they paid too much money for ordinary players.

They averaged around £15million each for players like Ferreira, Mikel and Malouda. I would have admitted that Shevchenko would have been a bargain even at £30million if he continued his Serie A form at Chelsea, but he didnt so you can also add him to that list.

Well, as I said, Ferreira was considered among Europe's best full-backs at the time while Malouda was a regular member of Ligue 1 team of the year back in France. Mikel was odd but I guess they were just frustrated with the entire saga so did not mind overpaying, still we paid more for Nani for instance and I'm not sure he was more rated than Mikel at the time.

I'm not denying that they might have added a couple of million to values, but it wasn't half as blatant as in City's case.

 

[Red_Molly]

Not really, its not really about how big the fees were for single players, but how they paid too much money for ordinary players.

Once Abramovich was involved sellers added a 'Chelsea premium', but it hardly inflated the market, except by adding some competition to a few big-name signings, such as Rooney to United. Similarly Citeh's last minute attempt to hijack Berbatov added a couple of £m to what we had to pay, but it's small change in the big scheme of things

On the positive side Abramovich brought money into the game that was otherwise outside football. Leaving aside the moral issues of how he came by that money, that funded a deal of other transfers amongst other clubs.

The Sheiks look set to do the same. They are hardly likely to get Kaka, not this side of his prime at least, but they'll still inject a good deal of outside money into football.

And, being selfish, if they eventually do the sensible thing and build a solid base of a decent squad that makes Citeh sustainably competitive for a top four slot, all well and good for the English game. The more clubs we have like Villa and Everton taking points off of the dippers and Chelsea the sooner we'll be well past the dippers' 18 titles.

 

[Q80]

Just what I said. Besides, Chelsea were interested in plenty of players at the time and prepared to pay the asking price usually, so all other clubs had to be prepared as well. There wasn't much space for negotiation when you wanted a player that was also on their list, and there were too many of them.



The list does not include 2003/04 signing, they are here:

Geremi 16/07/03 MF Real Madrid 7.02

Damien Duff 21/07/03 LW Blackburn Rovers 17.0

They overpaid for Ferreira but then again Mourinho wanted him badly and he came from freshly crowned Champions of Europe. £13m was too much but not by far, he was probably worth about £8m to £10m at the time.

As for Shevchenko, well, he flopped, but you cannot deny his class. He was simply one of the Europe's best strikers for the past few seasons before joining Chelsea and you do not buy players like that for low fees. £30m was probably his realistic market value at the time.

There are a few questionable ones but the point is, they never doubled or trebled the value of players, they just added £2m or £3m when necessary.

Well, as I said, Ferreira was considered among Europe's best full-backs at the time while Malouda was a regular member of Ligue 1 team of the year back in France.

Sorry but a couple of points:

1. Damien Duff for £17 mil? You're having a laugh, thats not simply £2 - £3 mil more, thats a good £5 mil at least. He's a decent winger, but thats £6 mil more than what we paid for Ronaldo from Sporting!

2. I disagree, Paulo Ferreira wasnt one of the best full backs in Europe, he was a full back in a champions league winning team, which doesnt necessarily elevate his status.

3. Shevchenko for £30 mil at the age of 27 - 29 would have been fine. Shevchenko for £30 mil at the age of 30 is over the top, because hes a striker, and most, but not all, strikers depend on good finishing and speed. With the latter being the first to go at that age, his price tag should have dropped to at least mid £20's mil.

Funny how they all bid farewell to each other, perhaps City want them all.

Funny how you could tell that when its only Kaka in the main frame? Thing thats curious about that video is that its not often that teammates hug and say stuff to a single player after a game, which is the case in the vid.

Like I said, I hope your right and im wrong.

 

[antihenry]

[/B]



Sorry but a couple of points:

1. Damien Duff for £17 mil? You're having a laugh, thats not simply £2 - £3 mil more, thats a good £5 mil at least. He's a decent winger, but thats £6 mil more than what we paid for Ronaldo from Sporting!

2. I disagree, Paulo Ferreira wasnt one of the best full backs in Europe, he was a full back in a champions league winning team, which doesnt necessarily elevate his status.

3. Shevchenko for £30 mil at the age of 27 - 29 would have been fine. Shevchenko for £30 mil at the age of 30 is over the top, because hes a striker, and most, but not all, strikers depend on good finishing and speed. With the latter being the first to go at that age, his price tag should have dropped to at least mid £20's mil.




Funny how you could tell that when its only Kaka in the main frame? Thing thats curious about that video is that its not often that teammates hug and say stuff to a single player after a game, which is the case in the vid.

Like I said, I hope your right and im wrong.

Duff was in a form of his life when we bought him and in his first couple of seasons until he got seriously injured him and Robben were tearing the league apart. He is a shadow of a player he used to be now, but five years ago he was one of Europe's best wingers.

Ferreira was part of a Porto team that won UEFA Cup and CL under Mourinho and Jose wanted him so Porto made Chelsea overpay for his services. He was a part of the defensive line that set a league record in the least conceded goals in his first season at the club (15). Not worth £13m obviously, but certainly well worth around £7-8m.

Sheva turned out to be a flop but he was a superstar at Milan and Abramovich wanted him to join Chelsea for years. £30m was a lot of money to pay for a 30 year old but it wasn't outrageous, United paid only a million or two less for Rio and Veron before Abramovich even arrived and it's nothing compared to the kind of transfer fee and wages City are offering to Kaka at the moment.

 

[Sarni]

1. Damien Duff for £17 mil? You're having a laugh, thats not simply £2 - £3 mil more, thats a good £5 mil at least. He's a decent winger, but thats £6 mil more than what we paid for Ronaldo from Sporting!

That's actually £4.5m more than what we paid for Ronaldo - and remember that Duff was a proven Premier League winger with experience to back up his fee. Ronaldo had only a handful of Sporting games under his belt, so I'd say Duff was worth more at the time of a signing. Maybe not by nearly £5m but still. They paid too much for Duff but if he hadn't be troubled by injuries and continued his early form, you wouldn't even notice.

2. I disagree, Paulo Ferreira wasnt one of the best full backs in Europe, he was a full back in a champions league winning team, which doesnt necessarily elevate his status.

He was linked to numerous top European clubs including United. I might have exaggerated in 'one of the best full-backs' but he was still a proven quality.

3. Shevchenko for £30 mil at the age of 27 - 29 would have been fine. Shevchenko for £30 mil at the age of 30 is over the top, because hes a striker, and most, but not all, strikers depend on good finishing and speed. With the latter being the first to go at that age, his price tag should have dropped to at least mid £20's mil.

Strikers do not simply disappear after they turned 30, especially as Shevchenko just oozed class. I wouldn't have minded him at that price at United then, neither would Real or Barcelona probably.

Funny how you could tell that when its only Kaka in the main frame? Thing thats curious about that video is that its not often that teammates hug and say stuff to a single player after a game, which is the case in the vid.

Like I said, I hope your right and im wrong.

I was actually mistaken by the fact that a couple of players went to hug another players in the video, but those were mainly Fiorentina players as I took a closer look (at least I think so).

 

[MrMarcello]

He wouldn't so there's not even point in debating. If your employer asks you to leave your workplace, you do as he tells.

Kaka has already said in the past that he would leave only if Milan asked him to leave.

FFS, you can't compare regular working environments with professional sports. Players have far more power in their jobs than the average Joe. Far more.

 

[MrMarcello]

The ones I got issues with are:
They got Cashley for £5 mil

Gallas went the other way with a value of around 10m or so. Cashley was rated around 15m I think.

 

[R.N7]

They have signed Bellamy now, £14m.

 

[VidaRed]

apparently the deal has been accepted.

 

[MrMarcello]

[/B]
Sorry but a couple of points:

1. Damien Duff for £17 mil? You're having a laugh, thats not simply £2 - £3 mil more, thats a good £5 mil at least. He's a decent winger, but thats £6 mil more than what we paid for Ronaldo from Sporting!

Chelsea's new found riches had no effect on Duff's transfer fee. He was quoted around 15m the summer before after a good World Cup which put off many clubs. The 17m fee was inserted as a release clause in his contract. Chelsea met this clause and even though Duff held out in hopes of United making a bid, it's said United didn't see him worth that fee and also knew they couldn't enter a bidding war with Chelsea. Furthermore, SAF saw a better value in Ronaldo and the club were still chasing Ronaldhino and Robben.

 

[reddev07]

Rumours around Milan forums that Kaka has asked for yet another pay rise to stay at Milan