City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with numerous FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th September 2024

Blimey.

I still think it's a complete farce that they are still allowed to participate while this case is still open, especially seeing as they haven't been complying with the investigation and have refused to hand over their info for years. Disgusting.
 
Giggsyking said:
129 breaches.
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115 just sounds better
 
Anything short of a forced ownership change or the vacancy of their titles and relegation to league 2 won't matter in the end, they'll easily shrug off a point deduction by using it as a transitional year and it'll be back to business as usual.
 
Red the Bear said:
Anything short of a forced ownership change or the vacancy of their titles and relegation to league 2 won't matter in the end, they'll easily shrug off a point deduction by using it as a transitional year and it'll be back to business as usual.
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Wasn't there an article that EFL don't have to accept them?
I know it's the DM, but I think the article originated in The Guardian.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...ity-REJECTED-EFL-expelled-Premier-League.html
 
RedRocket9908 said:
I think if they get expelled from the Premier League they have to apply to join the EFL and the EFL member clubs will then vote on whether to accept them.
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Thats how I remember it, the thought was that if they apply a non-league team could miss out on promotion to the EFL because of it.
 
If the other teams in the league weren't as crooked at them (Chelsea, Newcastle, Villa etc) then every team should just pull out of their games and take the 3-0 loss and pay back their fans for the ticket, see how the league responds to that as its basically what they signed up for when allowing nation states to run amock in the PL.
 
Matt Varnish said:
Thats how I remember it, the thought was that if they apply a non-league team could miss out on promotion to the EFL because of it.
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It'll reportedly be January before we get a verdict on the charges and if they are expelled they will probably appeal then by the time the appeal is heard if it'll probably be too late to apply to join for the 25/26 season so if the appeal failed they would likely have no league football for a season.
 
If they force the owners to sell they don't need to then bother with relegating them. Pep will clear his office and fire up the jet before the gavel hits the wood :lol:

It'd be interesting to see the "stature" of that club on a level playing field.
 
TrivelaDeBruno said:
If they force the owners to sell they don't need to then bother with relegating them. Pep will clear his office and fire up the jet before the gavel hits the wood :lol:

It'd be interesting to see the "stature" of that club on a level playing field.
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Surely that would be a League 2 club going nowhere fast, playing in a ground that is falling apart?
 
steeeb said:
If Saracens were demoted to 2nd division, stripped of the title, 35 points deducted for wage cap breaches..

By around 1m, and apparently was found to be not deliberate.

Then using that as an equivalent, doing a similar breach over such a long period surely the punishment should be several times worse than that? Since it's a longer period, larger sums, deliberate, none compliance and covering it up etc.
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Saracens received an initial 35 point deduction but then Premiership Rugby shit themselves that Sarries would still stay up so they gave them a further 70 point deduction to ensure they'd finish last.
 
RedRocket9908 said:
It'll reportedly be January before we get a verdict on the charges and if they are expelled they will probably appeal then by the time the appeal is heard if it'll probably be too late to apply to join for the 25/26 season so if the appeal failed they would likely have no league football for a season.
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Who will they appeal this to though? As I heard they can’t take this to CAS.
 
Matt Varnish said:
Surely that would be a League 2 club going nowhere fast, playing in a ground that is falling apart?
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Nah, they have more than enough fans to dwarf most league 2 teams. Their youth academy and the players they're selling from it are premier league players. Theres just a lot of infrastructure around the club. I think they'd have back to back promotions to the championship pretty quickly and even in the worst circumstances would be in leeds territory pretty fast.
 
caid said:
Similar set up to the initial trial.
Everton appealed last season and had their deduction reduced didn't they?
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Aye, forgot all about that. Although with the time this has taken you’d hope the PL’s case against them is water tight and there won’t be much to appeal against.
 
ShinjiNinja26 said:
Aye, forgot all about that. Although with the time this has taken you’d hope the PL’s case against them is water tight and there won’t be much to appeal against.
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They will anyway and with the scale of charges its going to take longer to deal with than Everton unfortunately.
 
caid said:
Nah, they have more than enough fans to dwarf most league 2 teams. Their youth academy and the players they're selling from it are premier league players. Theres just a lot of infrastructure around the club. I think they'd have back to back promotions to the championship pretty quickly and even in the worst circumstances would be in leeds territory pretty fast.
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Most of their fans are considered "plastic"
They rent the Etihad and are tied into a long lease, very expensive.
Would they be able to afford the wages on League 2 attendances, most of their top players would be wanting European football, I can't see the bulk of them staying.
 
Matt Varnish said:
Most of their fans are considered "plastic"
They rent the Etihad and are tied into a long lease, very expensive.
Would they be able to afford the wages on League 2 attendances, most of their top players would be wanting European football, I can't see the bulk of them staying.
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Even leaving aside their empty seat fans they still have a lot of fans, just look at their previous stays in lower leagues. I dont think 5 million a year is expensive. Getting rid of the first team players would be a good thing outside of one or two exceptions. I'd be more worried about players staying than going. They're producing players like lavia, palmer and dozens of others. A year on League 2 wages, a year on League 1 wages and you can start giving them championship wages.
They'll be fine.
 
ArtetasHair said:
Third biggest league winners in England and were it not for Chelsea and City could have won more
"The odd title"

Hilarious disrespect.

I've never really come across any deep hatred for United by an fan except if it's Liverpool or City or some of ours. Everyone else is mostly just shrug after a two liner of banter, how you've translated this into a vasy conspiracy was my issue.
My point was this imagined story of unfairness you've got, every supporter base has those.
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Nah I have mates who support Sheffield Wednesday, Stoke, West Ham, Derby County, hell even a lad who supports Wealdstone, what’s the one thing they all have in common? They absolutely detest Utd. They don’t want to see us win, don’t want to see us succeed, it’s deep rooted. Maybe that’s just my age group of mates (24-30 yrs old) that grew up watching Utd dominate, but whatever the reason it’s bizarre. No other club in the country gets that much hatred from fans of other random sides. No other club gets such coverage for the smallest of crisis. Obviously as a big club, you can ways expect some level of distaste from certain fan groups, but in England at least, Utd are so clearly the least well liked club.
 
TrustInJanuzaj said:
Nah I have mates who support Sheffield Wednesday, Stoke, West Ham, Derby County, hell even a lad who supports Wealdstone, what’s the one thing they all have in common? They absolutely detest Utd. They don’t want to see us win, don’t want to see us succeed, it’s deep rooted. Maybe that’s just my age group of mates (24-30 yrs old) that grew up watching Utd dominate, but whatever the reason it’s bizarre. No other club in the country gets that much hatred from fans of other random sides. No other club gets such coverage for the smallest of crisis. Obviously as a big club, you can ways expect some level of distaste from certain fan groups, but in England at least, Utd are so clearly the least well liked club.
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Why the hell does a guy who supports Wealdstone hate us?
 
TrustInJanuzaj said:
Nah I have mates who support Sheffield Wednesday, Stoke, West Ham, Derby County, hell even a lad who supports Wealdstone, what’s the one thing they all have in common? They absolutely detest Utd. They don’t want to see us win, don’t want to see us succeed, it’s deep rooted. Maybe that’s just my age group of mates (24-30 yrs old) that grew up watching Utd dominate, but whatever the reason it’s bizarre. No other club in the country gets that much hatred from fans of other random sides. No other club gets such coverage for the smallest of crisis. Obviously as a big club, you can ways expect some level of distaste from certain fan groups, but in England at least, Utd are so clearly the least well liked club.
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My friends support Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, West Ham, Peterborough etc. and it’s exactly the same.

I think another big reason is United have had the most ‘rivalries’ in the premier league era. Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, City, Newcastle all have had bitter rivalries with United at one time or another.
 
Posh Red said:
My friends support Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, West Ham, Peterborough etc. and it’s exactly the same.

I think another big reason is United have had the most ‘rivalries’ in the premier league era. Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, City, Newcastle all have had bitter rivalries with United at one time or another.
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What’s even worse is that teams like fecking Bolton Wanderers or Stoke City consider us their biggest rivals when we couldn’t give a flying feck about them. Even up here in Scotland, where we have our own football system, you have people who hate Man United.
 
Posh Red said:
My friends support Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, West Ham, Peterborough etc. and it’s exactly the same.

I think another big reason is United have had the most ‘rivalries’ in the premier league era. Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, City, Newcastle all have had bitter rivalries with United at one time or another.
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To be honest I think part of it for some of my friends is probably because I’m not from Manchester and they support more local sides. Maybe there’s an element of jealousy there. Probably another part thinking you don’t support your local team. But most of them are quiet when I say I’ve been to more Utd games than they have their local team…
 
TrustInJanuzaj said:
To be honest I think part of it for some of my friends is probably because I’m not from Manchester and they support more local sides. Maybe there’s an element of jealousy there. Probably another part thinking you don’t support your local team. But most of them are quiet when I say I’ve been to more Utd games than they have their local team…
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I would guess that about half the country doesn’t support their local side anyway. I know a lot of my friends don’t.
 
Posh Red said:
My friends support Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, West Ham, Peterborough etc. and it’s exactly the same.

I think another big reason is United have had the most ‘rivalries’ in the premier league era. Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, City, Newcastle all have had bitter rivalries with United at one time or another.
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United-Chelsea rivalry wasn’t bitter at all. It was competitive but rather friendly, certainly in comparison with the United-Arsenal rivalry. I don’t remember ever seeing any drama or any particular hatred or disdain from either side during the years we were regularly fighting each other for the title.

I’d say most Chelsea fans would have United down in 5th or 6th in a list of teams we dislike/hate, and I suspect the feeling is mutual. I rarely meet United fans in real life who particularly care about Chelsea one way or another.
 
WeePat said:
United-Chelsea rivalry wasn’t bitter at all. It was competitive but rather friendly, certainly in comparison with the United-Arsenal rivalry. I don’t remember ever seeing any drama or any particular hatred or disdain from either side during the years we were regularly fighting each other for the title.

I’d say most Chelsea fans would have United down in 5th or 6th in a list of teams we dislike/hate, and I suspect the feeling is mutual. I rarely meet United fans in real life who particularly care about Chelsea one way or another.
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That’s probably fair, but a rivalry of sorts all the same.

Edit: I also don’t really mind Chelsea too much. I actually find myself sticking up for them a bit when my scouse mate goes on one of his tirades.
 
Chumpsbechumps said:
Have it on good authority they are intimidating anybody involved in the case. Does that really surprise anybody?
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Not at all. They don't care about anything other than themselves and couldn't care less if they are ruining the game. As long as they get what they want.
 
DarkLord1984 said:
What makes you say that? Have you seen or heard something specific?
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No, call me cynical but it's how the world works. Even the way guardiola is speaking about it reeks of a man who expects no consequence whatsoever
 
DarkLord1984 said:
Not at all. They don't care about anything other than themselves and couldn't care less if they are ruining the game. As long as they get what they want.
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That’s the point, they don’t care about the game, only rigging everything in their favour. Breaking the rules , cheating and trying to intimidate anybody or any institution that tries to put manners on them. Wonder if it’s why journalists don’t go in hard on them, we know what happens to Journalists who upset the Saudis.
 
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