Yeah but their growth is about as legit as a crypto meme coin. Bubbles always burst.
City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with numerous FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th September 2024
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Yeah but their growth is about as legit as a crypto meme coin. Bubbles always burst.
In Southamerica ESPN (which is mostly Argentinians) has been banging their drum for the last 15 years because of Tevez, then Agüero, and now Álvarez, and because of Guardiola and them being the mini Barcelona which is the other team they unconditionally support because of Messi.
So their broadcast is pro barca, pro Messi, pro Guardiola and pro city. And it's very VERY disgusting. (Imagine watching that disgusting broadcast with commentators almost celebrating 09 and 11 CL finals as their win)
That has lead that the common football fan from Southamerica really likes City and Barcelona, without being necessarily a die hard fan. Their propaganda really worked.
Yeah they probably will get away with it. But to me they'll be like Lance Armstrong if he had been found "innocent". I, and everyone else, would always know that he was a doping cnut despite what the record books said.
If City get away with it expect it to be forever brought by fans everywhere that they cheated.
Everything is artificial at that club. Artificially inflated finances, the business artificially grown simply by chucking endless money at problems, artificial football played on the pitch doing the same patterns again and again under the other team dies of boredom, artificial hype online from bots and glory hunting dickheads who follow players more than clubs, artificial adverts where Jimmy Turnip (local legend) sells shampoo because...why not.
All they need to do now is have Pep visit Turkey for a new hairline and they'll win the true game of football.
This changes quickly though, global fans often follow players if they have big names from their own country. Look at South Korea moving from United to Spurs overall because of Son or the rise of Brighton fans in Japan due to Mitoma. It's the same with Latin America, if you can snap up one of the more popular national team players, you immediately gain the attention of a large footballing fan base. If United signed Neymar for example, and he did well, our popularity in Brazil would balloon. That's why everyone is desperate to find a player with some kind of Chinese or Indian heritage because their value would be off the charts.
Achievements do matter and no one will question the greatness of Kevin De Bryune or Sergio Aguero, but many will question the means by which the business entity that brought all these great players together.
There is no doubt that City earned their titles on the pitch in one important sense -- the best footballers in the world defeating the best footballers in the world. But the point is that City violated financial rules and other legal restrictions on the formation of these great squads, and to be clear no one is accusing Kompany, Ederson, Grealish or De Bryune of ethical breaches, the football world will care. What's done is done but the FA cannot turn a blind eye to blatant abuse of the rules that are designed to ensure the integrity of the sport.
City as the club ceased to exist in 2008, closed up shop. What was then erected is the closest thing to a sports expansion franchise we see in the US, but more so a vanity project.
It's so weird when people say their success doesn't matter. Unless they're punished for the 115 charges (and actually punished, not just a silly and affordable fine) then history won't remember that, it will remember the records set and their achievements.
I don't know a single Man City fan. But for the sake of football it's just far better and healthier for Arsenal to win the league than City, despite how insufferable some Arsenal fans are. Even Liverpool, our most hated rival, are at least a proper club who Klopp has revived through his hard work.
I don't know a single Man City fan. But for the sake of football it's just far better and healthier for Arsenal to win the league than City, despite how insufferable some Arsenal fans are. Even Liverpool, our most hated rival, are at least a proper club who Klopp has revived through his hard work.
I should hope none of you know City fans they are about 8 years old and you are 56.
No rape or pedophile jokes, I shouldn’t have to say it but I know what you’re like.
Remember how painful Liverpool winning the league was a few years ago?
And how City winning the treble barely registered?
That's what people's about their "success" not mattering.
Tbh even the Liverpool win barely registered, with the world gone to shit. Just one fewer thing to mock them about.
4 In a row stings. A lot. Can't pretend it doesn't 
Football fans will remember it that's for sure, I know the new thing to say is that their success matters all of a sudden, but unless they're found innocent of the charges then their trophies will be forever tainted.
Do people care about a Covid title?
I think it's a good intelligence test.
Trying to write a team off who had about a 15 point lead cruising to the title and trying to write it off.
Agreed. It’s very funny that they won it like that and didn’t get to bask in it.
But they smashed the league and would have won it had every team allowed no away fans while they played to an empty stadium for the final however many games. They were phenomenal that season.
I am curious: did Liverpool’s 2019 champions league sting more than City’s treble?
City won the UCL and the treble for the first time, while Liverpool have won the UCL quite a few times now.
So logically, City’s treble must have stung more, right?
To me, yes. I’m not going to lie, seeing our city rivals match our biggest achievement last season definitely stung.
Nothing city 'win' matters to me because they cheated to get there.
You don’t think that if you give these unlimited oil money to someone like Klopp, he probably wins everything as well?
How much of it is really Pep?
A lot. Klopp would have won the CL faster but would probably be less consistent in the league.
Klopp has also been the second best manager in the world for quite some time, so obviously he would do great. But it's not like they'll be getting Klopp after Pep anyway.
That's not true - while you are a Pigeon of common sense, if they are not convicted and thrown the book at, morons, contrarians and whataboutery artists will just repeat "not found guilty" ad nauseam, even though a lot of proof is already out there because of the leaks, and also because if you have even half a brain it's just obvious.
The problem with that analogy is that Utd’s net spend is considerably higher than City’s over the last decade. And in fact is comfortably the biggest in the Premiership.
So comparing Lance Armstrong’s physical doping to City’s financial doping seems a bit off. A better analogy would be a Tour de France where one team (Utd) has ‘earned’ the right to dope, and another team (City) hasn’t earned the right, but has done it anyway.
So whilst you could clearly still argue that anything won by City should have an asterisk next to it, they aren’t doing anything that Utd aren’t already doing. Utd are simply allowed to do it, and indeed have done it more than anyone else.
No, it's not. That makes no sense whatsoever.
I think it makes sense. Armstrong took PEDs (spent money) that other riders didn’t. City are spending money that other teams are ALSO spending.
Think you've got that the wrong way around...
Not so sure about that. Unless you are referring to other professional cyclists also doping, in which case I agree!
Good try. The old net spend argument. Firstly, picking an arbitrary time period by definition means that you're excluding the very real possibility that City were only able to get in revenue from players they'd cheated to buy in the first place.
Secondly - and this is the key bit - City were only able to arrive into their position a decade ago because they had cheated, and outspent entire leagues in the period leading up to it.
I guess a better view of the analogy would be City were Lance Armstrong, built up a 100 mile lead on the other competitors through cheating, then they swapped in a different rider who wasn't doping, and he's managed to keep the lead over everyone else.
Further, and this really needs repeating: Manchester United are sh*t at spending money. That is a separate fact, completely untethered to City's behaviour. Manchester United are allowed to spend money because it has earned that money, and ibecause all of the premier league clubs got together and signed up to the concept that you can only spend a certain amount relative to what you make. Manchester City also signed up to that agreement. And then broke it. That's the point.
This is funny. "I'm not wrong, unless you just pointed out why I'm wrong, in which case I agree!".
Armstrong doped at a time when all cyclists doped.
City doped at a time when everybody else was spending their earned money.
No, the reason City are 'in trouble' is because of the cheating. Armstrong and City both signed up to the terms of the league, and both violated those terms. That's all that matters.
You can argue til you're blue in the face about the merits of the laws in the country you live in - hell you can even lobby to get them changed - but if you break them while they're in force, you get punished.
Pep's obsession with perfection makes a big difference.
In the 100 pt season, they won the league with a bunch of games to spare and the next thing Pep did was show them the best ever points tallies in the PL and challenge them to go to the top. I'll always remember that moment from their Amazon documentary. The drive Pep has is something else.
On the other hand, in the season Liverpool won the league, they were on track for well over 100 points. But once they won the league, they relaxed (like we've done in the past ourselves tbf) and dropped quite a few silly points and it's not like they were focussing on CL or the FA cup or anything iirc.
You mean apart from artificially inflating their value with fake sponsors, illegally paying managers under the table, and refusing to comply with an ongoing investigation, they're exactly the same as every other club?
I'm impressed that it only took seventeen minutes for your point to be proven accurate.
I'm starting to think you're just trolling in this thread. It's been pointed out to you many times why this opinion is wrong, but you still keep spouting it.
I don’t think net spend is a perfect measure either, but it’s one factor. If you want to pick actual spend then It’d and City are both tied on exactly £1.79bn apparently; obviously there’s an assumption there that the figures are correct:
I guess the problem with ‘earning’ the right to massively outspend your rivals is that you are obviously going to think that that is fair, because it directly benefits your own team. And in addition to that it’s a perpetual advantage (like the one you are annoyed at city for having). The Prem could play for another 80 years or whatever, and no team would ever be able to match Utd’s spending power. Again, I’m sure you are aware of that, and I’m sure you want exactly that to keep happening. So I think this is less a moral argument by you, and more a case of wanting to be perpetually the most dominant team in the league, with every avenue for other teams to catch up shut down by legislation. Of course you are going to want that!
Amd the end result of all that cheating is that they STILL cannot spend as much money as Utd can. That’s the astronomic advantage that I think a lot of Utd fans are used to operating under.
Ha ha, yeah that’s right, I’m sure they were all at it. My point was more about some teams being allowed to follow a certain path and others not!
It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
No worries, sorry you didn’t get it.