City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with numerous FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th September 2024

OverratedOpinion said:
Do you have more respect for the achievements of a boy born in a council house that gets rich by being very shrewd, taking a bunch of risks, working tirelessly and building a huge noodle selling business in Taiwan than a lad who has a rich uncle he has no connection to die and leaves him a fortune then he breaks a bunch of tax rules to end up more successful than our self made noodle salesman?

That's all the view is, as simple as that.
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I don't think the poor care much about whether wealth is "earned" or "inherited". Of course old "earned" money hates new "unearned" money. Zooming out, it matters little in the grand scheme of things if success is more probable when you have way more money.
 
adexkola said:
I don't think the poor care much about whether wealth is "earned" or "inherited". Of course old "earned" money hates new "unearned" money. Zooming out, it matters little in the grand scheme of things if success is more probable when you have way more money.
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Weird to me, I enjoyed seeing Lille win Ligue 1 even though Man Utd aren't in the Ligue 1 title race. State owned sugar daddy clubs are just a bit pointless and gross regardless of if it directly affects you or not.
 
OverratedOpinion said:
Weird to me, I enjoyed seeing Lille win Ligue 1 even though Man Utd aren't in the Ligue 1 title race. State owned sugar daddy clubs are just a bit pointless and gross regardless of if it directly affects you or not.
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Same!

I'll also enjoy Bayer Leverkusen win the Bundesliga against Bayern Munich.

Extreme disparities in sporting competition fueled solely by wealth ("earned" and "unearned") are pointless and gross, regardless of if it directly affects you or not.
 
adexkola said:
Same!

I'll also enjoy Bayer Leverkusen win the Bundesliga against Bayern Munich.

Extreme disparities in sporting competition fueled solely by wealth ("earned" and "unearned") are pointless and gross, regardless of if it directly affects you or not.
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Unearned is a lot more gross than earned.
 
It's irrelevant how much they paid in transfer fees and what they pay in wages. The point is, where does this tin pot little club which can hardly fill their stadium, get all this fecking money from?

Dodgy sponsorship deals is where. They've no right to spend all that money when it comes from illegitimate sources.
 
adexkola said:
Or better yet, make winning contingent on who is the best managed and coached team. Not on who won stuff in the 80s and has a crazy advantage due to that, or who has a oligarch as an owner.

Crazy right?
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Not sure what you're on about, not sure if you know it either.
 
Grundig said:
I do not care that you call me a City-fan. I am just sick and tired of people like you talking about things they have not a clue about. You talk about cheap signings indicating that City officially pay one transfer fee while paying more under the table. That means that the 56 clubs City has bought players from the last 16 years has been part of the fraud accepting money under the table. Don't you understand how braindead that argument is ?
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Didn't take long for that mask to fall. Desperate desperate stuff.
 
Its funny that there are people who think City, in emerging from an 8-1 hammering against Middlesbrough, to destroying the premier league and winning a treble in second gear, haven't circumvented rules in doing so so rapidly.
 
NicolaSacco said:
I suppose I’m taking the 115 charges thing with a pinch of salt. They may be the same charge repeated 115 times, or they may be all different. For what it’s worth, regardless of how many of them are actually proven (or not) and what the punishment is (or isn’t), I’m not debating whether or not they’ve spent more than they’ve earned. Basic maths tells me there is no other explanation. But these rules didn’t exist at all for the first 100 years of football, I don’t see it as being essential to the integrity of the game or anything. If you took out the teams bought by Jack Walker and Abramovic Utd would have won 17 out of 20, or something ridiculous.

I do agree that I’m ‘wrapping everything up in the same bundle’, it’s not something that I’ve ever sought to deny. From my perspective I want to see a premier league with as many potential winners as possible, and with as much variation as possible. That’s what makes it exciting for me. It was boring when Utd were so dominant and I think we’re not far off the time where it’ll become boring that City are so dominant. I accept that one bought success through oil riches and one through legitimate income, but strictly speaking from the point of view of a watcher looking for excitement, the source of the money is not relevant. All I see, and all I’m interested in, is the end product. The absolute worst scenario for me would be a Bayern Munich situation, and I think that’s where we were headed without rich owners putting their own money in.
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The rules may not have been in place for 100 years, but they came in because several clubs, albeit in lower leagues went in to administration through owners who came in for a short period, overspent and left with the clubs no longer in existence.

The most important part that you are failing to recognise is that all clubs have agreed to the rules, signed up to the rules, adhere to them, prove that by providing accountancy year on year and budget accordingly. EXCEPT ONE.

All it’s done having City as the one steriod club in the country is stop what you’re stating you want from happening. Looking at the remaining fixtures of the top three they will win the league again this season.

I get what you’re looking for. I feel exactly the same. A Coventry winning the FA Cup for example is the dream. Lower league clubs in semi finals. A West Ham or a Brighton having a great manager, players and winning a league like Leicester did. But we’ve never been further away from that in this country than we are now (Blackburn won 1, so not sure how 17 would be the answer?) City are hoovering up most of the trophies every season through dismissing rules that others follow.
 
SER19 said:
Its funny that there are people who think City, in emerging from an 8-1 hammering against Middlesbrough, to destroying the premier league and winning a treble in second gear, haven't circumvented rules in doing so so rapidly.
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Oh they certainly took shortcuts.

They're at a point where they don't need to anymore though.
 
If your going to do dodgy shit, I'd imagine you'd work out a way of how to do it, carefully. Do it on cities scale, takes planning, knowledge of the leagues rules etc etc. genuine transfers can be mixed with underhanded deals, extra payments, or whatever. Grundig needs to imagine the worst, and then apply it to city, and probably other clubs that have yet to be found out. To not do so, isn't reality. People only give a feck about money. It's more evident now than it's ever been.
 
Madrid posted their team lineup strangely early for tonight's game against City...



115 minutes before kickoff to be precise :lol:
 
adexkola said:
Oh they certainly took shortcuts.

They're at a point where they don't need to anymore though.
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Ya i agree with second part, but second part not possible without the first. This should all have been stamped out very early on. Irreparable damage to English football as a result of complacency
 
lysglimt said:
I am absolutely convinced City will be punished - there is NO way they can not after what has happened to Forest and Everton - and what guaranteed will happen to Leicester. It will result in several teams going to court against the authorities - and they will win.. There is no way they will risk that outcome

What I do fear however, is that the punishment they will receive, will be a slap on the wrist in comparison to the cheating they have done. They will be punished enough so that the authorities have their backs free - but I fear not hard enough to make it a fair punishment.

The way I see it - any punishment lower than relegation is a slap on the wrist. A punishment of relegation + several years of points deduction would be a just punishment. Say they receive 50 points deduction the 1st year, 40 the second year and 30 the third year. That way they almost need to win every single game to get to the play-offs in the Championship, and even if they win promotion the first year, they will not be able to fight for the title the next 2 seasons. City need to be removed from the top of English football for several seasons for this to be just.

But I fear it could easily end up with 20-30 points deduction only - in which case they wont win the league the next season, but could easily reach top 5 and qualify for C.L
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Are you a lawyer? Or in that line of work? Honest question by the way as you seem clued up on events.
 
4 in row, I don’t think where going to see anyone dominate the league in the same way they have.
 
4 in a row yet you can’t help but feel like no one really cares about them? :lol:
 
Only found out recently that Pep's brother has shares in Girona. Great for the game!
 
I’m glad City have overthrown the football aristocracy. It was really boring before when the same teams were winning the league all the time.
 
I hate to say this. Financial doping aside. City successes are not only down to financial doping. They have the best in class for football structure and manager. These combinations are the perfect storm for their successes. Of course money helped but they are not the biggest spenders. Yes I'm looking at ourselves, Chelsea, PSG and Barcelona who are the joke of the football world. And we are the worst. Hope SJR could change all these.
 
Yakuza_devils said:
I hate to say this. Financial doping aside. City successes are not only down to financial doping. They have the best in class for football structure and manager.
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They have the best in class because of financial doping man. They came in, saw Barca were doing it best, targeted all the top men, have likely paid them all a kings ransom and given them all the money they can wish to build a conveyor belt academy etc.

It’s all due to financial doping man, it can’t be separated.
 
Yakuza_devils said:
I hate to say this. Financial doping aside. City successes are not only down to financial doping. They have the best in class for football structure and manager. These combinations are the perfect storm for their successes. Of course money helped but they are not the biggest spenders. Yes I'm looking at ourselves, Chelsea, PSG and Barcelona who are the joke of the football world. And we are the worst. Hope SJR could change all these.
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How can you possibly not see that without the financial doping, there was as much chance of guardiola going to city as there was of him going to stoke? Its like saying the olympian who won gold while doped to his eyes also won because trained well and had good equipment.

Everything, everything, everything begins with the cheating and this slightly better Bundesliga shit show of a league has never been worse. City hardly even try in the league now and still win it - overtaking teams when normal clubs get battered by fatigue. The only thing they get credit for, is that while cheating, they cheated well in terms of the players they bought. And even then they have plenty of duds that didnt really matter.

It is beyond comprehensible now that any person with an interest in the PL think its anything but a shit show, with the media helping to cover the massive blue elephant in the room. That and some sort of weird guardiola fetish plenty of people, including united fans, have. We're watching probably the biggest scandal ever in british football and its being celebrated.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
They have the best in class because of financial doping man. They came in, saw Barca were doing it best, targeted all the top men, have likely paid them all a kings ransom and given them all the money they can wish to build a conveyor belt academy etc.

It’s all due to financial doping man, it can’t be separated.
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Come on, dont pretend these people didnt want to leave Barcelona for a no-mark club in the north of England. Ya it would be like poaching florentino perez to go to Bournemouth this summer, but why would that be suspicious
 
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