at the Arsene posit.City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with 130 FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th Sep 2024 | Concluded 9th Dec 2024 - Awaiting outcome
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at the Arsene posit.Without the oil clubs Arsenal and Liverpool would have had even more chances in the transfer market to pick up players. Both lost key players to the oil clubs. There probably would have been more competition to Utd.
After his initial success. Wenger won his last PL title in 03/04. Won the FA cup the following year, got a Cl final and went nearly 10 years without a trophy before rounding it off with a couple of FA cups. Now we know they tailed off in terms of how much they could spend after moving to the new stadium, Wenger also changed his playing style but never really the people around him, Pat Rice was there from day 1. But still they could have done better in that period.
But, in that timeframe Fergie won several leagues, cups, got to 3 CL finals and had the beating of two oil clubs along the way and retired. His dominance was never built on having the most finances available. He was able to adpat and change and was just a better manager than Wenger.
We actually finished 2nd only 9 points behind Liverpool and 9 points clear of Cloughies Forest who were 3rd in Sir Alex's first full season which is quite an impressive turn around when you look how poor we were the previous season.
The argument that Utd’s finance was the decisive factor in Fergie’s successes kinda falls apart when you consider the fact that Utd didn’t even topped the net spend table throughout the 90s-early 00s, when we were most dominant.
If they are the best fans in the world and are going to show their support tomorrow why are there still thousands of tickets available for tomorrows game on their website?
I have zero idea but I ain't part of the legal team. I can understand with UEFA cause stuff was being leaked, no idea why were uncooperative here
It’s been City against the premier league since 09. They’re the only ones cheating the league. It’s the other teams that should be venting.
Crafton needs to throw the same shade at his peers.
That's not the discussion though it's proved legit that's the key and we've already seen one of those "dead to rights" emails annihilated by cities legal team.
There's a big difference between thinking something is dead to rights and proving it
Going to take some magic to get off on "technicalities" for >100 charges.
There's not even a doubt they'll get found guilty of a lot of them.
The only debate is how long this is going to take, and eventual punishment.
Pep will most likely be long gone before it's judged on for one.
It makes no sense does it. Emails out of context ? Provide the whole lot that gives the context (I can’t think of any context that would clear those emails but what do I know)
Just because we said it...doesn’t mean we did it. Superb, show the proof that it didn’t happen. Will be simple to do. Your sponsorship deals are all legit...not that hard to prove.
Honestly I get fan bias etc but I’m really struggling with how the majority of your fanbase seem to believe it’s the league that is corrupt and not your owners.
It's going to take a lot for you to admit wrong has been done isn't it?
My Chelsea mate thinks the league are corrupt against his team.
Every fanbase has those who think they're harshly dealt with.
So am I. I don't see how anyone can presume were innocent here. Believe we can get away with it possibly but as I've said before verdicts and truth are not always the same
Personally I believe both are corrupt but with the pl it's not anti-city corruption or any city witch hunt, it's that their books wouldn't hold up to the same scrutiny.
If you read even 1/10th of my posts in this thread, you'd know that's not even close and the opposite is true.
Weird take if you're been following the thread
Could be but with cas they said "comfortably satisfied" whatever that means.
The thing is, it will probably come down to having to prove the validity of what was in those emails, and thats most likely why the PL is so confident.
Its one thing CFG standing up in court and denying the whole thing, but its quite another to expect the sponsors involved to do the same and effectively lie about committing large scale fraud over their accounting and revenue and risk everything that goes along with that.
Thats the road that CFG are going down if this does end up in a court challenge, and it takes one sponsor to break ranks and they are done. Its highly likely all parties involved outside of CFG themselves cooperate to save themselves and the truth comes out either way.
I mean you’re entitled to your opinion on this but I think you’ll be in a very small minority in world football.
I think you’re wumming somewhat lately, not sure why, so I’m not going to get in to the finer points. That said Sir Alex built several unstoppable teams all of which were built on the foundation of youth. To try and suggest he’s some kind of chequebook manager is completely ridiculous.
I have been following the thread and you seem to be jumping from one position to another constantly.
Is there 2 of you fighting over the computer?
You think those Abu Dhabi companies are gonna break rank with the hand that feeds them? City have already beaten one of those emails, its not nearly as clear cut as people think even though I (an actual City fan) beileve we're guilty.
It will all depend on how City deal with those for sure though.
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I have been following the thread and you seem to be jumping from one position to another constantly.
Is there 2 of you fighting over the computer?
I'm actually not if you read. Its not even hard to follow.
My belief - Guilty and should be punished accordingly.
But - The smoking gun people think the PL have found is not nearly as clear cut as they think and a verdict of guilty is not guaranteed.
Its gonna be alot harder than people think here. Thats why it was a 4 year investigation.
Not rocket science or anything.
Maybe you could start by comparing Fergusons Aberdeen winning European trophies against Madrid against Wenger winning the Emperors cup against the mighty Sanfrecce Hiroshima.
Is that what you're clinging to? Good luck to you.
So much nonsense. I don't know where to start.
Well… yes? Its one thing to stay quiet and let CFG do all the talking but if this does end up in the court system the companies named on the documents will definitely be called upon to give evidence - I wouldnt be confident that every single one of them will be willing to lie about any shady dealings had they taken place. The potential repercussions of that would be catastrophic to a business and would end up in all kinds of legal trouble.
Thats also assuming they all actually exist too, I understand there are question marks there based on some of the things that were uncovered last year…
Maybe you could start by comparing Fergusons Aberdeen winning European trophies against Madrid against Wenger winning the Emperors cup against the mighty Sanfrecce Hiroshima.
That was an incredible achievement and no one could take away from that, and I wasn’t trying to. I’m genuinely not sure if you put Ferguson in charge of Arsenal in 1995 or 96 though, whenever it was, that he’d have done what Wenger did.
It’s hardly offensive to name one manager over a 20 year period who I think matched him though! Out of about 300 managers..
But you think Wenger in charge of Utd in 1986 would do what Fergie did yeah?
The Fergie or Wenger debate was a legitimate argument up until about 2008 but it's madness to be doing it now we know what happened after that.
I'm struggling to think of a reason why Fergie wouldn't have done much better than Wenger
That's your head.
That's your heart. And it's winning control over you, understandably.
The caf has taught me Fred is as good as Nicky Butt and Wenger was equal to Fergie.
Shameless club and manager. Back when they hired him people thought Pep befitted a greater and more iconic football club which wasn’t being funded by a shitstain regime and a blank cheque. But nah, Pep and his pretentiousness and need for being the favourite, is actually the perfect face for his current club of cheats.
That’s some funny shit right thereSad, but true
This, he has to be losing respect more and more from then neutral football lover.
100+ violations sounds bad, but it should be remembered that many will the same violations set across every accounting period. Many may also be fairly small fry, albeit undoubtedly helpful in building up a perceived context of Manchester City being serial wrongdoers. Manchester City were also strategically non-compliant with the entire investigation, so were essentially found guilty by the Premier League in absentia - who knows what counter evidence Manchester City are currently sitting on.
Personally, similar to what I said on the previous page, I think the Premier League neither expect nor want to win this case. Their job is done simply by seeing it through to its conclusion.
Personally, similar to what I said on the previous page, I think the Premier League neither expect nor want to win this case. Their job is done simply by seeing it through to its conclusion.
the charges were for the period when City were cooperating, which was between 2009 and 2018
I'm talking about the lack of co-operation with this investigation, not the initial reporting. See:
Manchester City charged with breaking financial rules by Premier League - BBC Sport
How can they refuse to cooperate? Surely any club that refuses to cooperate in a serious matter being investigated by the authorities should immediately be suspended until they change their minds about cooperating?
Same principle as not having to talk during a police interview.