If it's self consciously taunting them cos they know they've cheated, fair play indeed, it's quite funny.
If it's because they're delusional, it's somehow even funnier.
City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with 130 FFP breaches | Hearing begins 16th Sep 2024 | Concluded 9th Dec 2024 - Awaiting outcome
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If it's because they're delusional, it's somehow even funnier.
It's obviously 'hilarious banter' but probably born out of arrogance and a belief not much'll happen to them.
Hopefully that hilarious banter will turn into tears soon.
What tears? Let´s be real here.
Offer: You can win 8 of 13 league titles, three FA Cups, six League Cups and a ChampionsLeague, but you also have to spend one season in the Championship.
Literally every team would accept that deal. What´s one year in the Championship as punishment for that?
You still win every game in the Championship, or at least become invincible. You are still allowed to play in the Champions League, FA and League Cup to keep yourself entertained. Maybe you even win a quadruple, cause you are now well rested and focused for all the Cup games. So your punishment is basically to murder 23 new teams for a year. Does not even sound like punishment.
Where did you come up with this ‚deal‘?
I sure hope they get punished a lot harsher than that.
What do you think is the most harsh but still reasonably realistic punishment they'll get, if they are found guilty of all 115 charges.
If they are relegated their is no way it'll only be to the Championship and even if it was I doubt they just be invincible for a season and come straight back up as I imagine they'll lose most of their squad as a lot will have probably clauses that allow them to leave should that happen plus they'll likely lose a lot of their sponsors and will struggle to replace them and will lose a fortune in tv revenue and gate reciepts so wont be able to pay their wage bill which is already becoming unsustainable.
On top of all that the council could see them being found guilty if indeed they are found guilty as a breech of contract and could start preceedings to evict them from the Etihad.
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Realistic, I think they'll strip their titles, maybe give them a transfer ban for a season + a paltry fine. It doesn't do much to them apart from invalidate their success but pundits can tell us how harsh it is.
i just can't see them doing anything that will actually harm them in anyway.
I personally think it will be a huge fine and large points deduction going into next season (20 points or something like that).
Relegating them would start the mother of all legal appeals and I don't think the Premier League has the stomach for that.
I think that will be the likely outcome plus an 18 months transfer ban.
Though I think City would not even fight Championship relegation. I feel that might be tempting to the leagues. Win/Win for them. They will be portrayed as hardass in the public media perception and it´s a HUGE BOOST to the Championship for a year.
And it absolutely cannot be just a 20 point deduction. If you deduct them points you need to make 100% sure that they cannot win the league with it. Otherwise you will never live that down and become a clown show. They most likely will qualify for the CL with that deduction, too.
If they are truly guilty of the majority of the 115 charges anything other than relegation would be laughable. I’m not holding my breath that it’ll happen though. Their 5 fans know this, the players know this, the club know this, Pep knows this and the Media know this. Which is why even mentioning the whole 115 thing is utterly pointless
Expulsion and dissolution of ownership but neither will occur.
If 10% or more of the charges are upheld, they should be ejected from the PL with a minimum "time served" meaning X years before they can "promote" back in the PL regardless of lower league standing. Stagger the time served based on percentage of charges applied, per say 20% equals two years out of the PL or 50% equals five years.
And penalize their team spending percentages, perhaps stagger it over X years and with limited transfer fees paid with no net offset against sales for X years.
That said, I am curious if the PL clubs could decide to vote in say June and elect to expel City regardless of the court preceding. Would the bylaws allow such?
You really think a multiple years long ban from the Prem is reasonably realistic?
I wonder if they got a relegation and/or deduction might attempt the ban them from the Champions League again. They have to be smarting over losing out to a technicality.
If they apply the same rule they applied to Everton and Forrest, the punishment should turn out gigantic.
If they really didn‘t intend to punish Cheaty, they would not have brought the charges. They have to follow through or the whole league collapses basically.
If they really didn‘t intend to punish Cheaty, they would not have brought the charges. They have to follow through or the whole league collapses basically.
Relegate them, strip them of all their titles and give them a 3 year transfer ban.
No and I only read the most harsh. I do think there is the outside chance the PL could demote them, or enough points deduction going forward to do so.
There is precedent in other leagues with big clubs but the problem here, as we all know, is this is not a random owner or group it's a fecking country. With deep political and financial ties to England.
My question still remains - would bylaws permit the 19 PL clubs from choosing to hold their own vote and expel City? No one ever answers such but I am curious.
I personally don't know how I carry on watching the PL with the same level of interest if City aren't relegated down a considerable levels. The hope that they are punished is keeping me going (I don't truly believe they will), but if they get away lightly, it really will be a dark day for English football.
Yup, can't see it being much more than this. Maybe a slightly larger points deduction, but I think anyone holding out for relegation or worse is likely to be disappointed, unfortunately.
I will cancel Sky sports.
I have a vague memory from the Super League fiasco that 75% of the premier league clubs can vote to boot a club.
No idea about bylaws though. Google it and let me know.
Isnt that ironic.
Their punishment will end up being laughable.
Everton and Forest will absolutely not stand for City getting a small punishment.
It would drag out into a long and expensive legal battle, further tainting the whole Premier league
It would drag out into a long and expensive legal battle, further tainting the whole Premier league
No one would actually miss City if they disappeared, its probably one thing all football fans can agree about, surely.
Demotion does less than taking away their titles in my opinion. They are just back the following year. Take the titles away and fine them heftily including taking away any prize money. Ideally I'd like to see Chelsea and City with the same trophy count as before the two decades ago....not going to happen though of course.
Did we adopt the first City fan who is reasonable and uses logic and reasoning (that i've seen on-line)?
Seriously though, great post.
@padr81 is sound and seems to actually love City as a club rather than only the bland iteration born in 2008. Probably one of the 2 City fans in the world you can actually have a conversation with - the other being Nedum Onuoha
Legit! Don’t agree with all they say but actually seem like a sound poster.
The lack of self awareness is next level, not gonna lie
It's very self aware.
That's what they deserve but it won't happen
The broom and rug are ready for being summoned to duty.
Genuine question…Has anyone met a city fan that is concerned by what might happen?
I don’t know a single one. They’re the victim and in complete denial about even the slightest of questionable activity.
I mean, I think I would be at least concerned if it was us. There has been a history of Utd being made an example of.
I don’t know a single one. They’re the victim and in complete denial about even the slightest of questionable activity.
I mean, I think I would be at least concerned if it was us. There has been a history of Utd being made an example of.
Its the arrogance and righteous indignation that does it for me. And that comes from the culture at that organization, they haven't given a toss about any of these investigations.
If they aren't relegated, then I am probably done with the Premier League and as someone else has discussed on here, it will be like severing a limb.
But why should the Premier League continue with this charade at the expense of every other club? Just so they can dominate like Bayern every year
I know a fair few city fans and for the most part it's a case of innocent until proven guilty. Until then they will enjoy it as though it is all perfectly organic and above board. I think deep down though a lot of city fans will know what their club has done is nowhere close to organic and above board, it stinks rotten and if there's no smoke without fire there's a raging inferno somewhere at the Etihad.
I haven’t met anyone that is concerned.
I think there is a general acceptance that they have what is coming to them and will accept it without saying much.
I’ve got a few mates who, in their defence are decent fans and have been going since they were kids. They just seem content that they’ve had what they’ve had in the past 15 years and still enjoy going to the games, which they’ll continue to do when it is all over.
Why would they be concerned? They go back to being sh!t. No amount of penalty will take away the experience of the highs they have had.
Will they see the advert of Aguerooooooo on Sky and have a bad taste in the mouth? I doubt it.
At best they would have been a mid table premier league club. YOLO
I'm sure that more than a few would be concerned about the prospect of being relegated multiple divisions but the rest is spot on, no matter what happens you can't take away the experiences and memories