Christopher Nkunku

I'd give them Garancho and another 20m if they agree to send Palmer our way. Else, this deal is a joke.
 
84 days for a thorn ligament and then getting a 'knee injury' after... No shit! How can you recover from thorn ligaments in less than 3 months?

Wish he could stay fit as he'd be absolutely what United need right now. High volume creator, scorer and very mobile (when not injured). Just like Mason Mount, it's too good to be true. Him and Mount fit would do wonders for United. won't happen though.

Maybe Felix + 50 mil? He was sensational when coming through.

Edit: Looking at Felix, seems he has van Basten's ankles.
 
No idea how good he actually is because he's featured so rarely in the Premier League for Chelsea and like feck I'm going to watch any of their games in the Conference League. The fact he has been used so fleetingly in the league, despite Jackson being an absolute box of frogs is probably not a good sign. But then Chelsea have completely ballsed it up with Salah and KDB in the past (although Nkunko is definitely no longer a young prospect like those two still were when they left).

Do vaguely remember the hattrick he scored against City in the Champions League for Leipzig though, although it was a crazy game (6-3 defeat for Leipzig) where both defences had an absolute mare and I seem to remember at least one of his goals being a bit of a gift.

So in conclusion, please be just a loan with am option to buy and nothing more...otherwise we're being idiots again.
 
Seems more like his agent is pushing this? Amorim system requires alot of athleticism, stamina and technical ability. A injury prone number 10 isn't going cut the mustard.

Plus his age profile is wrong. You would want younger players similar or close to age of Amad so the core of the squad peaks at the same time.

A loan? Sure. A bargain basement £20mil punt? Maybe. A £70mil signing? Not a chance in hell.
 
If this actually goes through, I'll be convinced this club is being run by Liverpool fans. Only logical explanation. You simply cannot run a club worse than this even if you tried.
 
No way our board is so stupid to do that kind of deal given the previous deal with Mount and Nkunku injury record.
 
If INEOS force a swap deal for Nkunku by giving Chelsea Garnacho, we need to storm their offices and burn the place down. It's almost too silly to believe, since everything about Nkunku would seem exactly the sort of transfer INEOS wants to move away from
 
If Chelsea manage to bin off Nkunku to our club then fair play to them, they always manage to sell the players they want to get rid off for good transfer fees, while we sell our players for peanuts or we can't sell them at all.

Buying an injury prone player and even when is fit he still doesn't play in Chelsea's starting XI, bad resell value because he is entering his late twenties (and we know how "good" are we at selling players).

I don't think he is a bad player as there are some circumstances that were bad for him like the tough injury when he just came to Chelsea because Pochettino counted on him as one of his main players in his vision and this season Maresca moving Palmer from RW to AM which is Nkunku's ideal position but it's just too much of a risk to buy him in our current situation where we don't have the luxury anymore to go wrong with a transfer. We are in a desperate state and position and we NEED to make the right transfers.

If we are getting him then *maybe* only a loan with no obligation to buy would be the furthest I'd go in this deal.
 
United can do things in the transfer market that no other club can...you better believe this deal is ON!
 
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Someone better at accountancy explain to me how swapping Nkunku for Garnacho helps with our PSR situation..? I am not seeing it.
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It’s a terrible deal for the club but I’ll try and explain;

The deal would be disclosed as - A Garnaucho was sold to Chelsea for £60m and since all previous payments were paid as youth payments and the player was developed from a 17 year old then the player represents 100% profit in this years accounts of £60m net profit(incidentally the same amount of interest paid by the club in last years accounts to facilitate the overall debt burdened to the club by the Glazers! )

Then Chelsea selling Nkunku for £60m would be amortised over a 4/5 year contract which would at 27 be his last big deal so assume 4 year contract that means in PSR terms only £15m of the transfer fee would be used showing a profit still of £45m in our yearly accounts, and allowing at least one other marquee transfer, possibly two?

The Major Pitfalls of this deal;
1. United Should be asking for £70/75m plus 25% sell on clause as Garnaucho is not 21 yet!
2. The most we should be paying as part of the swap deal for a highly injured, reserve who is aging at 27 is £30/35m.
3. Wage Parity, Garnaucho is only on rumoured £50-75k which is £2.5/3.5m on the annual accounts. Christopher Nkunku is on £195,000 per week so what we gain in transfer net profit we lose in wage budget of £7m per year if we match his wages from Chelsea!
4. Amorim should be told what looks good on paper isn’t necessarily what we should be looking for! He’s highly injury prone, 28 this year and his wages are too high, he’s not going to Bayern, they have better players who are younger and we should learn our lesson from Mason Mount and use it as reference point to negotiate with?

United should say; “we are only interested if you thrown Nukunku plus Carney Chukwumeka plus £50m!”

I hope fans now understand why the Tyler Dybling transfer makes sense, Wilcox knows him, knows he’s on £30k per week, knows he can offer a similar contract to Garnaucho’s of £2.5/3.5m per year and we can give him a 5 year contract which would mean he’s cost the club £11m per year which would still leave £49m per year left for transfers this accounting period under PSR, without affecting the yearly wage costs.

Man United will probably sell Garnaucho for £60m as well as hopefully sell Casemiro to Saudi this January, thus saving 6 months of his wages which is probably £7/8m, add that to saving probably £4/5m wages on Antony wages and this would allow the club to buy at least three players this window if they could complete the contracts like ; T Dybling, P Dorgu and V Osimhen. The first two players wages would be low and Osimhen’s wages would be covered by Casemiro. I think this is why nothing happened with the Osimhen move, to that deal United must sell Casemiro or loan out Rashford with someone paying his wages.

I’m no expert but it looks like United are desperately trying to do 2/3 transfers in and get 3/4 out.
 
Has everyone calmed down now? I think a loan would be a good move. Nkunku would instantly be the best centre forward at the club. Right now I don't see it happening though, apparently Nkunku has already agreed to go to Bayern and Chelsea will obviously be reluctant to let him go out on loan. Depends how much they want Garnacho I suppose.
 
Doesn’t he have a really bad injury record? Loan or outright buy becomes irrelevant from this season’s perspective then as we need good player who will be available.
 
I'd rather we didn't, even on a loan deal. All these cost cutting measures would feel a bit hollow if we proceed to bring in a bit of a flaky player on a significant wage, even if only for 6 months.

I also get the feeling Chelsea would only agree to a loan if it was part of a convoluted deal to get Garnacho for below market value.
 
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I'd rather we didn't, even on a loan deal. All these cost cutting measures would feel a bit hollow if we proceed to bring in a bit of a flaky player on a significant wage, even if only for 6 months.

I also get the feeling Chelsea would only agree to a loan if it was part of a convoluted deal to get Garnacho for below market value.
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Can't really disagree with any of that. Even a loan would be a big gamble, not sure I'd accept that for losing Garnacho below value
 
A loan is more reasonable, as long as there's no obligation to buy and it doesn't overly impact the fee we get for Garnacho.

You're only banking on him staying fit for a few months, which even injury prone players can sometimes do. And if he does you've got a productive player who could have immediate impact in the league and cups, and it lets you push a permanent signing in that position out til the summer when you may have more scope to buy.

It would still be a risk, but risks with low & limited financial consequences aren't the end of the world.
 
A loan would be good, he can tick us along until the end of the season with some actual attacking depth. We can reassess in the summer.
 
I've been saying for weeks that we should be looking at this signing, so I am happy the club is doing just that.
The circumstances are ideal when Rashford is leaving, Nkunku is a top quality player for the left sided 10 position, and Nkunku has no place at Chelsea due to their stacking up and scattergun transfer approach.
It has all the makings of a perfect opportunity, and I can't think of a better player for our attacking positions behind the striker that we could hope to get this window than a *fit* Nkunku. He's top class, he has pace and he can press, and he has end product which we are lacking desperately.

Caveats are of course, overpaying, injury concerns (see overpaying), and swapping him for Garnacho instead of tying the transfer to Rashford's exit. I think we should get him on loan with option, loan Rashford out (in the absence of willing outright buyers), and not sell Garnacho.
 
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I'd take him on loan and keep Garnacho. We need more players in attacking positions, not less.

Do whatever necessary to get rid of Casemiro and Rashford.
 
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