Yeah,Kane needs at least another season under his belt.
Christian Benteke | BBC: Liverpool Agree £32.5m Fee
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Yeah,Kane needs at least another season under his belt.
Its astonishing how much Benteke has carried this Aston Villa team! 42 goals in 88 PL appearances and 49 goals in a 100 total club appearances. He scored 15 of their 31 league goals last season! Villa have only scored 117 league goals in the last three seasons since Benteke signed. Holy shit!
Put this man in a good team and see what damage he can cause.
Put this man in a good team and see what damage he can cause.
What do you think of Icardi?
I have only seen a couple of games but was impressed. Joint top scorer in Serie A last season in a pretty average Inter side. That stuff with Maxi Lopez is a bit off-putting though.
32m for Benteke 
He had just signed a long term deal with Inter
This never really plays out like that.
Usually the player goes to the 'good team', and does well even to replicate the form at their prior club, but often struggling even to do that.
Benteke's numbers are ok. Don't think we should be anywhere near him though.
32m for Benteke
How much do you think Benteke is worth to Villa? Not to United. How much is he worth to Villa? He's got a better record then Yorke had and Yorke improved with better players. Values tend to mean nothing once the dust settles. A player will either do good things or they'll flop. The price after a period of time get's forgotten.
Seems like a cnut but stylistically I think he'd fit the profile. Decent height, pace, strength and really is just a true #9 - a poacher. Great in the air too.
Nobody will come to play second fiddle to Rooney unless we shop at a tier below than we would like .
Unless LVG is playing Rooney as a 10
Unless LVG is playing Rooney as a 10
49 in 100 is just ok? We bought Yorke from Villa and I remember people not wanting him (I was skeptical myself) and I remember some noise was made too about Saha. You just can't predict how a player will acclimatize to new environments. Benteke has scored against the top four teams apart from City so he's already shown that the big stage doesn't phase him
I was more talking about his 13 PL goals last year. He obviously had an amazing first season in England, but hasn't quite hit those heights since. Some injury problems but that's hardly a ringing endorsement either.
Think we should sign someone who is genuine competition/replacement for Rooney. Wouldn't go near Benteke, not at the prices quoted. We may as well tag on another £20m and go after top level talent.
I like him, I think he offers what we need leading the line, the only question I have about him is, a few occassions last season watching Villa (Not just the FA cup final, I swear!) he disappeared out of the game, a non-entity, so it raises the issue of.. is it just a supply into him problem, or can you question his desire to get involved?
I still don't know, but considering his age and attributes, to be honest I wouldn't be upset if we went for him as I don't think we have any chance of landing BennyBenzema who'd be ideally suited for what we need.
I still don't know, but considering his age and attributes, to be honest I wouldn't be upset if we went for him as I don't think we have any chance of landing BennyBenzema who'd be ideally suited for what we need.
Same Benteke who scored 12 goals in his last 12 games last season? the whole team was in a really bad place in the first half of the season, which in turn affected his stats and performances, our players were inefficient during parts of the season where the team was in a bad place, it happens... which is why his form in the second half of the season came as no surprise as Villa (with a new manager) became a better team, all the players improved etc.
I'm not saying he should be at the top of the list but he should definitely be an option, its not like we're trying to replace Luis Suarez or Sergio Aguero and we're passing up on a host of other World Class strikers available in the market for Benteke, 42 goals in 88 EPL appearances is really decent for a Premier League striker playing for a team like Aston Villa.
His 32m release clause seems to be an issue on here and i can understand, but thats the type of value he brings to that Villa team, and at 24 with that record i can see why, he has the potential to be one of the best strikers in Europe - i mean look at the goal he scored against us last season, he gave Evans a lot of problems.
I like Benteke but I just knows heres a player moving to a Portuguese club this summer that will be hot in about 2 years.
32m is a lot to pay for a rotation player. The price will probably also force him to be a bit higher than Wilson on the pecking order.
32m is a lot to pay for a rotation player. The price will probably also force him to be a bit higher than Wilson on the pecking order.
Don't want Chicharito back but not sold on Benteke either, would be happy with a young up and coming speed merchant, Saido Berahino or some young european upstart I have never heard of but LVG has been keeping an eye on.
As a Muller, Zlatan, Benzema type standard is probably unattainable we might as well go young if we sign someone else. I would rather gamble relatively cheaply than pay a fortune for Cavani/Benteke/Lukaku.All three of these have been around for long enough for there to be big doubts about whether the large cash outlay needed would be worth it.
A quartet of Rooney, Wilson, Depay and Berahino/other, although a bit of a gamble on youth could be fantastic.
Would only want this guy on the cheap.
Some people seem to have the 'value mentality'. Benteke or a strikers job is to score goals. LVG doesn't want loads of touches linking play and we don't need that anyway with the players we have. Benteke is a non brainer. If we went into the season with Rooney, Hernandez, Wilson and Benteke? That spells goals.
Let's just loan Benteke with some financial benefits for Villa and loan them back someone like Januzaj, would this work? Or I forgot as part of the deal...
He's 24, 6'3", scores a goal every other game in a very average side, good in the air, can hold up the ball and would no doubt be happier playing second fiddle at United than starring for Villa.
I'd take him, they'd accept less than £25m if we threw in the likes of Evans as a sweetner or even McNair and Januzaj for a season.
I'd take him, they'd accept less than £25m if we threw in the likes of Evans as a sweetner or even McNair and Januzaj for a season.
like we had Van Persie = number 9 - a goalscorer, a player who in reality couldn't move well enough to get into chances. Couldn't press and was actually most valuable while defending corners. These days in modern football there is a definite need for more all round strikers, not just players who can score. So Van Gaal wants imo exactly opposite striker. The strikers should definitely tick some boxes like:
- ability to score goals
- decent hold up play - bringing other into play
- decent speed - ability to stretch the game, press the defenders when off the ball
- decent dribbling
What other options would cost less than 30m?
Getting him in for a decent fee is a good idea. When Rooney is injured we can play him and he will score goals and cause problems upfront - if both of them get injured then we will have options like James Wilson or playing Depay, or if we are really fecked Fellaini upfront.
What I don't want us doing is putting pressure on him if we sign him by paying stupid money.
I don't want us to splurge £50m on a top highly rated 'big name' ego, like Cavani, who is going to want to play every game and clash with Rooney. I'd much prefer us to get somebody in as second choice, I think Benteke would be ideal for that.
What I don't want us doing is putting pressure on him if we sign him by paying stupid money.
I don't want us to splurge £50m on a top highly rated 'big name' ego, like Cavani, who is going to want to play every game and clash with Rooney. I'd much prefer us to get somebody in as second choice, I think Benteke would be ideal for that.
I wrote in another thread that we should try to sign someone on loan like we did with Falcao so we can wait on Kane and sign him for 60m next year. Dunno maybe one of Martinez, Lacazette, Cavani could be a good option to fight Rooney, not sure if ideal or ticking all the boxes though..
edit: and maybe Berahino as second striker wouldn't be a bad option either
I feel that if we were in for him. We would have signed him already. Pretty easy to sign him. I think we are trying for someone that's a little harder to get. Well that's my theory anyway.
Can't understand the criticism of Benteke, he is more prolific than Saha was when we bought him. A strong big presence who knows how to score. If we didnt pay more than 25 million for him Id consider it great business.
You also have to wonder why he hasnt gone to anyone else, there must be plenty of suitors.
For £32m we could do a lot better than Benteke.
Here's the thing, that Falcao deal was an anomaly, it rarely ever happens - he is old, his team was trying to cut down on his wages and he was injured, the rest on the other hand are still very much active, and wanted by other teams (including their present teams) so loan deals are out of the question.
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I'd take him. It's this level of player that's going to accept an understudy role to Rooney.
I doubt we're going to do a RvP and Rooney and play two strikers anymore.
I doubt we're going to do a RvP and Rooney and play two strikers anymore.
I do feel there's a lot of unfair stereotyping that goes on with Benteke.
There's far more to him then just being strong and good in the air.
There's far more to him then just being strong and good in the air.
Not sure about that. Benteke got 15 in 33 last season, Saha was on 15 in 22 when we signed him halfway through the season. I can see a resemblance between the two though, and the roles they would play, or played in Saha's case, in our squad i.e. a 2nd choice striker. Both had 3 years in the Premier League at a lower down side as well.
It seems like we want a striker who feels like a bargain, we want to sign someone without the "what if he doesn't live up to his price tag" questions and we definitely don't want to give Villa 32m - no of course not, would much rather give a top team.
well I actually remember seeing something about a 32 million buy out clause. I'm sure that will run most suitors. Liverpool just sold Sterling so they will probably swoop in for him soon.
I meant entire career at Villa and Fulham
For example?
He is technically very sound, two good feet, pacey with an explosive shot from outside the area to boot. Along with his aerial prowess this makes him a very good striker one which in my opinion would not look out of place at a top club and I hope Liverpool do not sign him.
He's good with the ball at his feet, good control, can dribble, very fast, good finisher.
He's not some Andy Carroll lump who can't play with the ball on the deck.
Mark my words he'll be a great signing for Liverpool.
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