Chido Obi Martin

[Hammondo]

You judge a player based on the most recent clips you have seen?

Christ I've heard some shit on this forum but that is..

Well I like to watch the videos that show every touch a young player does, try to see his noticeable talents or weaknesses, and he has weaknesses that are clear.

 

[Drainy]

Well I like to watch the videos that show every touch a young player does, try to see his noticeable talents or weaknesses, and he has weaknesses that are clear.

In one game.
2 mins 20 secs.
At 17 and less than 2 months.

Do you account for form?
Did you see any moves he made off the ball where he didn't get the pass? Etc etc.

 

[rockhopperpenguin21]

True, but I don't see anything that stands out about him.

He's strong, athletic, can score with both feet. He has an arrogance about him which coupled with youthful enthusiasm show me he's got a good chance to make it. Would be good to see him tested at done point this season. Ideally with another 18/21 who he's used to playing alongside.

 

[Hammondo]

He's strong, athletic, can score with both feet. He has an arrogance about him which coupled with youthful enthusiasm show me he's got a good chance to make it. Would be good to see him tested at done point this season. Ideally with another 18/21 who he's used to playing alongside.

He is athletic, but hes developed very early, and those type of players often get hyped, but when others catch up to his development physically, they struggle.

He has a lot of energy, but his finishing doesn't look great. Lots of time to improve of course, and I am not saying "get rid", or something bad, just don't hype players up so easily.

 

[Bertie Wooster]

I’ve been keeping tabs on him since he’s joined us and I’ve been impressed.

He’s tall and strong. Seems to love making a lovely through ball for teammates and then following up on the action.

I see a bright future for him if he continues this trajectory. I honestly feel giving him a go with the first team wouldn’t be a bad thing - it certainly can’t be worse than what we have up front at the moment.

I'd like to see him get some minutes later in the season if Hojlund and Zirkzee continue to struggle.

However, I can also understand the long term thinking of doing what's best for the young promising player at the very start of his journey. We need to be confident that he's ready to deal with it - physically, technically and mentally. Because even though, short term performance wise, he probably 'can't do worse than some of the abject displays from Hojlund and Zirkzee' - long term development wise, throwing him in too early, in a sink or swim gamble, could really set him back if he struggles.

It's not fair to young players to throw them in too early. On the other hand, it's not great to deny them any chances and a pathway to the first team either. So I get the thinking behind this being the timing for an opportunity for a promising striker. Similar to the eagerness to see Amass while we've had LB issues. It's obviously up to Amorim and the rest of the staff to decide whether they think Obi is ready for it at such a young age.

 

[Hammondo]

In one game.
2 mins 20 secs.
At 17 and less than 2 months.

Do you account for form?
Did you see any moves he made off the ball where he didn't get the pass? Etc etc.

As I have said, this isn't the first one.

Obviously form is part of it, and I don't get shown where he doesn't make touches.

 

[top1whoisman]

Of course, why wouldn't I? I have been very critical of maguire in the past, but I have said hes done a good job in more recent seasons.

So theoretically you might change your opinion on him after each performance? Good enough, not good enough, good enough etc.

 

[Drainy]

So theoretically you might change your opinion on him after each performance? Good enough, not good enough, good enough etc.

This is a guy who said Hojlund is slow, then got shown a video and got bodied

 

[rockhopperpenguin21]

He is athletic, but hes developed very early, and those type of players often get hyped, but when others catch up to his development physically, they struggle.

He has a lot of energy, but his finishing doesn't look great. Lots of time to improve of course, and I am not saying "get rid", or something bad, just don't hype players up so easily.

Ok it was U18's but he scored a hat trick in 15 mins on his debut. He's also the record goalscorer at the level. I'm not over hyping just saying give him a test. I've watched the academy sides for years and always say succes at that level doesn't always equate to first team success. There are just some players you get a feel about. Considering our paucity of striking options as well what's to hurt with giving him some minutes.

 

[Hammondo]

This is a guy who said Hojlund is slow, then got shown a video and got bodied

Yes but that wasn't for united, and I admitted I was wrong.

 

[Hammondo]

So theoretically you might change your opinion on him after each performance? Good enough, not good enough, good enough etc.

Well looking at any of his previous videos posted, which would you point to that looks impressive?

 

[evil_geko]

Yes but that wasn't for united, and I admitted I was wrong.

He had some nice bursts of speed for United too.

 

[top1whoisman]

Well looking at any of his previous videos posted, which would you point to that looks impressive?

I don’t use compilations to judge players, full games only. He’s had plenty of impressive performances for the U18s. U21s less so but it’s only a couple and he’s only 17.

 

[Drainy]

He had some nice bursts of speed for United too.

Yeah but it's not in a clip in the last week that's under 3 mins in length, so needn't be considered

 

[Bojan Djordjic]

Well I like to watch the videos that show every touch a young player does, try to see his noticeable talents or weaknesses, and he has weaknesses that are clear.

So what, every player has weaknesses. If you want to see weaknesses look at the players that are starting up front for us every game. We're not looking for him to be the perfect striker, just for him to be more threatening than those two. Hojlund isn't even getting off a shot per game on average in the premier league this season and people are cribbing that a 17 year old that bangs in goals for fun has weaknesses.

 

[Bojan Djordjic]

I'd like to see him get some minutes later in the season if Hojlund and Zirkzee continue to struggle.

However, I can also understand the long term thinking of doing what's best for the young promising player at the very start of his journey. We need to be confident that he's ready to deal with it - physically, technically and mentally. Because even though, short term performance wise, he probably 'can't do worse than some of the abject displays from Hojlund and Zirkzee' - long term development wise, throwing him in too early, in a sink or swim gamble, could really set him back if he struggles.

It's not fair to young players to throw them in too early. On the other hand, it's not great to deny them any chances and a pathway to the first team either. So I get the thinking behind this being the timing for an opportunity for a promising striker. Similar to the eagerness to see Amass while we've had LB issues. It's obviously up to Amorim and the rest of the staff to decide whether they think Obi is ready for it at such a young age.

He's 17 though, not 13. I would say that most premier league quality attacking players are breaking out for their first club at this age or a year older and certainly the really top class ones are. The likes of Ian Wright and Harry Kane are the rarities in this regard.

 

[Tarrou]

you'd like to think the thread an an exciting young striker would have some immunity from the absolute moan-fest, but no

 

[Drainy]

you'd like to think the thread an an exciting young striker would have some immunity from the absolute moan-fest, but no

People exaggerate how much he relies on strength to create separation from the defender and downplay how much is clever movement.

Obviously he has work to do to be a PL striker, as expected of a just turned 17 year old, but the belief that he's only a big fast strong player who just bullies children is going to be proven wrong, I think

 

[AltiUn]

I think he's got a decent shot of making it here because he's got a lot of attributes you look for in a striker, he's tall, strong, quick, he's good at carrying the ball, great awareness, he hassles the defenders well when they have the ball, some very solid short passing / general hold up play and I think he's got really good positioning too if you watch how many rebound goals he gets. I think the biggest thing he could do with working on is his composure more so than his finishing because he's actually very good at finishing when he's got 1 or 2 defenders in front of him but he can tend to fluff it a bit when he's 1 on 1 with the keeper.

 

[Camy89]

I'd like to see him get some minutes later in the season if Hojlund and Zirkzee continue to struggle.

However, I can also understand the long term thinking of doing what's best for the young promising player at the very start of his journey. We need to be confident that he's ready to deal with it - physically, technically and mentally. Because even though, short term performance wise, he probably 'can't do worse than some of the abject displays from Hojlund and Zirkzee' - long term development wise, throwing him in too early, in a sink or swim gamble, could really set him back if he struggles.

It's not fair to young players to throw them in too early. On the other hand, it's not great to deny them any chances and a pathway to the first team either. So I get the thinking behind this being the timing for an opportunity for a promising striker. Similar to the eagerness to see Amass while we've had LB issues. It's obviously up to Amorim and the rest of the staff to decide whether they think Obi is ready for it at such a young age.

I see your points but I guess it entirely depends on the mentality of the guy.

If he’s sensitive and you need to manage him carefully, chucking him into a PL game might be too much. If they’re a bit more steely and determined, personally I see nothing wrong with giving them a run out - I’d give him a huge caveat that nothing is expected of him, use the experience to learn and improve. Most youngsters I feel would react positively to that, but not everyone.

Giving him a taste of the big stage might spur him on training wise, mentality wise etc.

He’s never going to be plonked on when we need a winner with 10 mins to go, that’s too much expectation. I guess I’m just very pro ‘go for it and see what happens, enjoy yourself and learn’.

As an aside, having a 17yr old challenge for their place might buck the ideas of hojlund and zirkzee

 

[next_number_seven]

I think he's got a decent shot of making it here because he's got a lot of attributes you look for in a striker, he's tall, strong, quick, he's good at carrying the ball, great awareness, he hassles the defenders well when they have the ball, some very solid short passing / general hold up play and I think he's got really good positioning too if you watch how many rebound goals he gets. I think the biggest thing he could do with working on is his composure more so than his finishing because he's actually very good at finishing when he's got 1 or 2 defenders in front of him but he can tend to fluff it a bit when he's 1 on 1 with the keeper.

I think he's the best striker at the club already.

 

[rockhopperpenguin21]

Watching him close up he has an arrogance and talent that reminds me of 'he who must not be named'. As long as he keeps his dick in his pants he'll be around for a long time.

 

[croadyman]

Let's put him on bench against Leicester

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

Hojlund and Zirkzee not been able to collectively hit a barn door, plus neither Antony or Rashford replaced.

We're an injury away from having to call on Chido now surely.

 

[CannibalSpectre]

It’s one thing to not constantly have a pop at Grealish, but I do find that the opposite tends to happen. Not only are they not calling out his apparent attitude problems, (also evidentially linked to drinking issues) but they do the opposite. He’s still hailed, celebrated and championed to the hills, ‘should be in the England setup’ etc. He’s one of the worst transfers in PL history and also of questionable attitude, and my issue is not that he is not mentioned at all (due to difference in profile/success between City and United), but when he IS mentioned, it is never negatively.

Lingard has been labelled for a long time, and if you said he presented his drinking problem as an ‘excuse’, then I can only imagine he used it long after people labelled him and grouped him in the ‘Lingard and Pogba’ group, because he didn’t need an ‘excuse’ until things got really bad for him before he left United. Before then, he was in the United and England team, and seen as a clown rather than a model, hardworking pro. He absolutely hasn’t earned any narrative around him because he’s supposed to be a drunk.

Great post. Let's be honest here, white players have ALWAYS been given preferential treatment in the PL, whether it's from sections of the fanbase or commentary and the media.

 

[Tallis]

Chido needs to improve his finishing by 10-15%. I have been impressed with his all round play and don't think he is that far behind a senior team spot. I am not sure if its this season though (apart from the odd game perhaps)

 

[khoazany]

Chido needs to improve his finishing by 10-15%. I have been impressed with his all round play and don't think he is that far behind a senior team spot. I am not sure if its this season though (apart from the odd game perhaps)

Yeah I don't think he's that far away from first team debut judging from his performances recently. In fact he might be slightly readier than Rashford pre-debut back then.

 

[croadyman]

Yeah I don't think he's that far away from first team debut judging from his performances recently. In fact he might be slightly readier than Rashford pre-debut back then.

Why not just give him cameo off bench against Leicester, what's the harm in our situation