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DJ_21 said:
Wasn’t Rashford 17 when he broke into the first team? If your good enough then your old enough I suppose. Worth a shot considering our other attacking options are useless. We need excitement upfront again.
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@Rasmus_9 : But is Obi emotionally ready for the spotlight?

@DJ_21 : Rashford was 17 (actually 18), and it didn’t do him any harm, did it?

@Grande : Whaaaaaaaaa?
 
andersj said:
Eh, what?! Basically everyone say that Grealish as a player with bad attitude and wrong mentality.

And Lingard, according to himself, had a drinking problem. If you dont understand that you have the wrong mentality as a footballer when you end up with a drinking problem you are truly lost.
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Casual, tribal fans all point out Grealish’s issues. But within the game, by former players, pundits and press - he is treated very differently.

This is the first I’ve heard if Lingard’s drinking problem, and not saying it is not the truth as I don’t know, but I do know that there wasn’t really a particular conversation around a battle with alcohol for him, and any assertions that he had an attitude problem had nothing to do with any battle with drink.
 
Rozay said:
Casual, tribal fans all point out Grealish’s issues. But within the game, by former players, pundits and press - he is treated very differently.

This is the first I’ve heard if Lingard’s drinking problem, and not saying it is not the truth as I don’t know, but I do know that there wasn’t really a particular conversation around a battle with alcohol for him, and any assertions that he had an attitude problem had nothing to do with any battle with drink.
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Yes, because;

A) Man City is less interesting
B) Man City kept winning even when Pep refused to play him due to his lack of effort

There is probably a lot of hate towards players like Lingard just out of envy. We can agree on that. But Lingard talked about his drinking problem himself, and has used it as an excuse.
 
andersj said:
Yes, because;

A) Man City is less interesting
B) Man City kept winning even when Pep refused to play him due to his lack of effort

There is probably a lot of hate towards players like Lingard just out of envy. We can agree on that. But Lingard talked about his drinking problem himself, and has used it as an excuse.
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That's a bit harsh, he talked about having a night cap every night at the end of his time with United in an interview with Stephen Bartlett. His mother was admitted to hospital in 2019 with depression, Jesse said before that she didn't get out of bed at all and he was for his carer for his 11 year old sister and 15 year old brother, while struggling himself with huge amounts of abuse on social media and was probably also suffering with depression. He left at the end of the 21-22 season, he started drinking daily in 2020. The way he talked about it he wasn't out on the lash every night or getting pissed on a daily basis, but said he was drinking before bed "to help take the pain away"
 
andersj said:
Yes, because;

A) Man City is less interesting
B) Man City kept winning even when Pep refused to play him due to his lack of effort

There is probably a lot of hate towards players like Lingard just out of envy. We can agree on that. But Lingard talked about his drinking problem himself, and has used it as an excuse.
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It’s one thing to not constantly have a pop at Grealish, but I do find that the opposite tends to happen. Not only are they not calling out his apparent attitude problems, (also evidentially linked to drinking issues) but they do the opposite. He’s still hailed, celebrated and championed to the hills, ‘should be in the England setup’ etc. He’s one of the worst transfers in PL history and also of questionable attitude, and my issue is not that he is not mentioned at all (due to difference in profile/success between City and United), but when he IS mentioned, it is never negatively.

Lingard has been labelled for a long time, and if you said he presented his drinking problem as an ‘excuse’, then I can only imagine he used it long after people labelled him and grouped him in the ‘Lingard and Pogba’ group, because he didn’t need an ‘excuse’ until things got really bad for him before he left United. Before then, he was in the United and England team, and seen as a clown rather than a model, hardworking pro. He absolutely hasn’t earned any narrative around him because he’s supposed to be a drunk.
 
The Boy said:
That's a bit harsh, he talked about having a night cap every night at the end of his time with United in an interview with Stephen Bartlett. His mother was admitted to hospital in 2019 with depression, Jesse said before that she didn't get out of bed at all and he was for his carer for his 11 year old sister and 15 year old brother, while struggling himself with huge amounts of abuse on social media and was probably also suffering with depression. He left at the end of the 21-22 season, he started drinking daily in 2020. The way he talked about it he wasn't out on the lash every night or getting pissed on a daily basis, but said he was drinking before bed "to help take the pain away"
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Based on the people I know from different sports I was suprised he had even touched alcohol, and knew that it could be a «source of comfort». I remember Klopp once stating that very few of his players drank alcohol.
 
The Boy said:
That's a bit harsh, he talked about having a night cap every night at the end of his time with United in an interview with Stephen Bartlett. His mother was admitted to hospital in 2019 with depression, Jesse said before that she didn't get out of bed at all and he was for his carer for his 11 year old sister and 15 year old brother, while struggling himself with huge amounts of abuse on social media and was probably also suffering with depression. He left at the end of the 21-22 season, he started drinking daily in 2020. The way he talked about it he wasn't out on the lash every night or getting pissed on a daily basis, but said he was drinking before bed "to help take the pain away"
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Exactly. Any revelation of drinking was nit the source of his ‘Lingard and Pogba’ categorisation, especially as Pogba has never been seen in a nightclub and doesn’t drink. It’s because he dances and posts funny videos on social media, let’s not BS here. All of a sudden he’s now a player with an ‘attitude problem and bad mentality.’
 
Rozay said:
It’s one thing to not constantly have a pop at Grealish, but I do find that the opposite tends to happen. Not only are they not calling out his apparent attitude problems, (also evidentially linked to drinking issues) but they do the opposite. He’s still hailed, celebrated and championed to the hills, ‘should be in the England setup’ etc. He’s one of the worst transfers in PL history and also of questionable attitude, and my issue is not that he is not mentioned at all (due to difference in profile/success between City and United), but when he IS mentioned, it is never negatively.

Lingard has been labelled for a long time, and if you said he presented his drinking problem as an ‘excuse’, then I can only imagine he used it long after people labelled him and grouped him in the ‘Lingard and Pogba’ group, because he didn’t need an ‘excuse’ until things got really bad for him before he left United. Before then, he was in the United and England team, and seen as a clown rather than a model, hardworking pro. He absolutely hasn’t earned any narrative around him because he’s supposed to be a drunk.
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Plenty of people have been labeled clowns at Man Utd the past decade. Not many used alcohol as an excuse.

Guess he gave quite a few right then.
 
I’ve been keeping tabs on him since he’s joined us and I’ve been impressed.

He’s tall and strong. Seems to love making a lovely through ball for teammates and then following up on the action.

I see a bright future for him if he continues this trajectory. I honestly feel giving him a go with the first team wouldn’t be a bad thing - it certainly can’t be worse than what we have up front at the moment.
 
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