Chelsea transfer activity

GCHQ said:
What prize money? 5 million euros more for winning it compared to not winning it. That's all we're talking about here. Roman's spending his own money with these signings, not Chelsea's.
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You don't get 5m for reaching the final and winning it though and that's the point, Roman did not know he would get that far let alone winning it. At one point to all of us it looked like they'd finish 6th and win nothing, yet couple of months later they won two big trophies. No wonder he's happy and with the CL win cash his spending spree, this time, will feel a little less wear on his wallet!!

Varun_Utd said:
Would never want United to go the City/Chelsea way when it comes to transfers. Speak for yourself.

And no, Abrahamovic isnt spending the "prize money". Its his cash.
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Where did I say I wanted us to be like Chelsea or City? Just said I can see why their fans will be loving it (as would we if those big names came it) and that it would be nice if we could outgun them on just ONE signing per year, using our own profit. Ronaldinho, Kluivert, Sanchez, Hazrard, they usuals around PL or Europe often beat us. So yeah, I will speak for myself, thanks. ;)

And yes Roman is topping up the transfer kitty with his own cash as well as prize money, but as it stands, who's to stop him? Fact is they are getting this big names in and could be a force again.

fergieisold said:
They can have the Hulk! He's not that great a player...Decent, but not world class.
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Torres, Hernandez or Aguero weren't world class when they came to England to play, Shevchenko was, its hard to say how they'll do. Potentially at the least, its exciting for the league anyway.
 
Claymore said:
Not mega 'debt' no but a rich owner who lets us soend the £100m+ on players or club. Roman has just won the CL, not like he needs the prize money is it, so they're spending it. All the big signings those two are doing and we sit here crying about net spends and ffp. Do you think their fans care?

For the record, I'm happy how we bring Scholes, Giggs, Welbeck or Cleverley through and how we snap up bargains like Schmeichel, Ole and little pea but it would be nice if once every summer we could buy just one top player and piss away the likes of Madrid,Barca, Milan, City, Chelsea or whoever but we never can go toe to toe with them.

Kagawa would be great but Mata, Torres, Hulk and Hazard kn one short time? Form or not, thats power.
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Its never going to happen especially now that there's a massive debt to pay.
 
Claymore said:
Where did I say I wanted us to be like Chelsea or City? Just said I can see why their fans will be loving it (as would we if those big names came it) and that it would be nice if we could outgun them on just ONE signing per year, using our own profit. Ronaldinho, Kluivert, Sanchez, Hazrard, they usuals around PL or Europe often beat us. So yeah, I will speak for myself, thanks. ;)
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What the hell does it really matter?

I want us to win trophies, not get into a financial cock measuring contest with some of the biggest and frivolous money spunkers in the game. And no, the two don't go hand in hand, as our recent record has proven.

I'd take a Cleverley or Welbeck over your typical mercenary any day of the week.
 
Chelsea fans - how much compensation was paid to AVB?
 
Claymore said:
You don't get 5m for reaching the final and winning it though and that's the point, Roman did not know he would get that far let alone winning it. At one point to all of us it looked like they'd finish 6th and win nothing, yet couple of months later they won two big trophies. No wonder he's happy and with the CL win cash his spending spree, this time, will feel a little less wear on his wallet!!
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Another way of looking at it is that they generated just £12m extra in ''prize money'' for winning the competition compared to the amount they earned from the same competition in the previous season. The vast majority of that £12m will have been paid out to players and staff in bonuses for winning the Champions League. So in reality there's virtually no extra cash available whatsoever.
 
GCHQ said:
Another way of looking at it is that they generated just £12m extra in ''prize money'' for winning the competition compared to the amount they earned from the same competition in the previous season. The vast majority of that £12m will have been paid out to players and staff in bonuses for winning the Champions League. So in reality there's virtually no extra cash available whatsoever.
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+ $5 million if they win the Club World Cup and however much they get for the Super Cup. Then there is extra sponsorship or sponsorship bonuses for winning the thing. I'm sure they aren't complaining.

But you're right we can't pretend they suddenly got £100 million out of thin air.
 
Twigginater said:
I think it actually goes to show how Chelsea have done well to bring up their revenue so much.

Also why they will probably hit early FFP, the fact is they are going to be starting the next five years with 28 million pound loss. They won't necessarily be able to do this every year.
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They've achieved just £12.5m of revenue growth in total over the last four years.

07/08 - £213.1m

08/09 - £206.4m

09/10 - £209.5m

10/11 - £225.6m

Their matchday and commercial revenue has actually fallen over that period and the small amount of total revenue growth has only been achieved due to uplifts in the value of TV deals negotiated by Uefa and the Premier League.

So yeah, well done Chelsea for bringing their revenue up so much!
 
GCHQ said:
They've achieved just £12.5m of revenue growth in total over the last four years.

07/08 - £213.1m

08/09 - £206.4m

09/10 - £209.5m

10/11 - £225.6m

Their matchday and commercial revenue has actually fallen over that period and the small amount of total revenue growth has only been achieved due to uplifts in the value of TV deals negotiated by Uefa and the Premier League.

So yeah, well done Chelsea for bringing their revenue up so much!
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In 06/07 it was 190.2 and in 05/06 it was 152.8, and you know this year will see a significant boost.
 
CHELSEA have added to their Belgian contingent with the signing of three more youngsters – including one of the most sought-after prospects in Europe.

Following the £32million arrival of Eden Hazard, the Blues have snapped up Charly Musonda, 15, from Anderlecht – who was also being chased by Barcelona, Manchester City and Arsenal – and have taken his two brothers as part of the deal.

Tik, 18, and Lamisha, 20, a Belgium Under-21 international, are also highly rated.
 
They WILL be a force next season, and I'll be very wary of them, especially if they sprint out of the blocks next season, because they have a very very good team on paper, and the fact is, they'll only work better as a unit as the season goes on, provided they keep JT away from any other players WAG's.

Always a tough team to beat at home or away (The 3-1 was highly entertaining and could've gone either way, the 3-3 was a divine match), and only more so with Torres finding his feet (really impressed with CLUB form as season tailed off, very very accomplished performances, full of hunger and running and tackling and beating his man etc), Hulk can't be that bad if he's warranting 38~ million quid, everyone was in for Hazard, Marin's a good option, Mata..

Cech; Ashley, Big man, Cahill, Ivanovic; Mikel, Essien; Mata, Hazard, Hulk; Torres
is a very very good side. It's also a very young side; big man and Cashley are the only ones older than 30 (Cech is 30, and that doesn't really count as he's a GK) Luiz has really progressed, Bertrand as well (to fill those shoes), if Bosingwa stays he can really pull a good performance out any time he wants (even at CB vs Barca @ the Nou with only 9 teammates), Lampard and Romeu to come in, Essien hopefully for the league will be even half his self and dominate most of the other teams.

Chelsea is a good place to be right now, especially with Roman spending his pots of gold.
 
Vibhas said:
They WILL be a force next season, and I'll be very wary of them, especially if they sprint out of the blocks next season, because they have a very very good team on paper, and the fact is, they'll only work better as a unit as the season goes on, provided they keep JT away from any other players WAG's.

Always a tough team to beat at home or away (The 3-1 was highly entertaining and could've gone either way, the 3-3 was a divine match), and only more so with Torres finding his feet (really impressed with CLUB form as season tailed off, very very accomplished performances, full of hunger and running and tackling and beating his man etc), Hulk can't be that bad if he's warranting 38~ million quid, everyone was in for Hazard, Marin's a good option, Mata..

Cech; Ashley, Big man, Cahill, Ivanovic; Mikel, Essien; Mata, Hazard, Hulk; Torres
is a very very good side. It's also a very young side; big man and Cashley are the only ones older than 30 (Cech is 30, and that doesn't really count as he's a GK) Luiz has really progressed, Bertrand as well (to fill those shoes), if Bosingwa stays he can really pull a good performance out any time he wants (even at CB vs Barca @ the Nou with only 9 teammates), Lampard and Romeu to come in, Essien hopefully for the league will be even half his self and dominate most of the other teams.

Chelsea is a good place to be right now, especially with Roman spending his pots of gold.
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Do you think Hulk/Hazard and Marin can replace Bosingwa, Kalou and Drogba and get Chelsea another 25 points than the prior three players?

If so fair enough, they'll be a challenge.

I don't even know if they've improved from last year to be honest yet.
 
Twigginater said:
I don't even know if they've improved from last year to be honest yet.
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Exactly. Easy for the likes of Drogba and Cole to get motivated at the end of the season and a final, in a 38-game season it's different.

It'll probably take a season for Hazard and Hulk to adapt.
 
Vibhas said:
(Cech is 30, and that doesn't really count as he's a GK)
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Maybe it's just me but there seems to be so many class keepers that are within the 20-25 year age range at the moment that 30 for a keeper does seem a bit old now. Sure, they can still probably play at a high level but many teams wanting to win titles etc will probably make steps to try and secure a young talented keeper and then start them in the first team (as will Chelsea with Courtois in the next 2 or 3 years i think).
 
Vibhas said:
They WILL be a force next season, and I'll be very wary of them, especially if they sprint out of the blocks next season, because they have a very very good team on paper, and the fact is, they'll only work better as a unit as the season goes on, provided they keep JT away from any other players WAG's.

Always a tough team to beat at home or away (The 3-1 was highly entertaining and could've gone either way, the 3-3 was a divine match), and only more so with Torres finding his feet (really impressed with CLUB form as season tailed off, very very accomplished performances, full of hunger and running and tackling and beating his man etc), Hulk can't be that bad if he's warranting 38~ million quid, everyone was in for Hazard, Marin's a good option, Mata..

Cech; Ashley, Big man, Cahill, Ivanovic; Mikel, Essien; Mata, Hazard, Hulk; Torres
is a very very good side. It's also a very young side; big man and Cashley are the only ones older than 30 (Cech is 30, and that doesn't really count as he's a GK) Luiz has really progressed, Bertrand as well (to fill those shoes), if Bosingwa stays he can really pull a good performance out any time he wants (even at CB vs Barca @ the Nou with only 9 teammates), Lampard and Romeu to come in, Essien hopefully for the league will be even half his self and dominate most of the other teams.

Chelsea is a good place to be right now, especially with Roman spending his pots of gold.
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Much of your validation of the Chelsea players can just as easily be rebutted.

And, although this isn't really about Chelsea's transfer activity, I would say:

Cech is suspect.
Terry has regressed as a defender.
Mikel has never been a top class midfielder.
Essien will never be as good as he was.
Hazard, in my opinion, has much to prove and I am surprised by many posters being so adamant that he's the dog's bollocks!
If Hulk signs, so what? Far better strikers such as Crespo and Shevchenko had a poor time of it at Chelsea.
Lampard's days are numbered, and I piss myself laughing at your contention that Luiz has progressed...

I have nothing but contempt for the "oligarch", he's treated respected managers like shit.
 
Twigginater said:
Do you think Hulk/Hazard and Marin can replace Bosingwa, Kalou and Drogba and get Chelsea another 25 points than the prior three players?

If so fair enough, they'll be a challenge.

I don't even know if they've improved from last year to be honest yet.
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i doubt they are finished spending and they have improved as the season drew to a close

cole/cech were excellent again and ramires starting looking a player - if they get essien back on form i think they could be a big challenge again

with cahill/terry/luiz/ivanovic they have decent CB options - they could do with a decent right back though

they could maybe do with a midfielder and i could see them bringing in a striker

the CL win seems to have given Roman a kick up the ass in terms of his interest/investment

i dont think they are good enough to win the league but they will push us and city much much closer

i have a feeling city might struggle a little - its one thing winning a title - its another defending it
 
Chelsea will be a top 4 team again next season but can't see them challenging us and City.
 
Essien?? What is this 2006?

It's not a question of form with him, more that 3 serious knee injuries have all but ended his career. It would be a miracle if he even gets back to half the player he was.
 
They are looking at Rondon as a Drogba-type prospect, according to Marca.

Would love it. He is not bad, but it would have Lukaku permanently bitching with his Belgian mates :lol:
 
If Lukaku couldnt get in front of Rondon in the pecking order, he should give up being a premier league footballer
 
Twigginater said:
Do you think Hulk/Hazard and Marin can replace Bosingwa, Kalou and Drogba and get Chelsea another 25 points than the prior three players?

If so fair enough, they'll be a challenge.

I don't even know if they've improved from last year to be honest yet.
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Bosingwa is a fullback, so none of those players can be viewed as his replacement. He was second choice behind Ivanovic anyway, and there may be another RB lined up, who knows.

Hazard, Hulk (if he arrives) and Marin will probably replace Malouda and Kalou.

Drogba can't be replaced like for like. All indications are Torres will be given an opportunity to lead the line and there's still a chance another striker will be added since Anelka was never replaced.

It's only June, there's plenty of time to reinforce the squad. Also,the 25 point argument doesn't reflect the true value of CFC squad, but rather indicates how badly it was mismanaged by AVB. With more experienced manager we would still fall short of contending, but would have comfortably finished in the top four.
 
Ekeke said:
If Lukaku couldnt get in front of Rondon in the pecking order, he should give up being a premier league footballer
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He is young, his technique is nothing special and he needs to adapt.

Point is that strikers like him need to learn how to use their bodies and that alone takes some years, I think it will be in the next 4-5 years we will know whether Lukaku is a success or a flop.
Then we will also see properly whether he has that audacity and awareness about him, he could become a very effective striker or another Carlton Cole.

Personally I wish we had looked at other characteristics but now he is here so I hope he makes it.

And there is no Rondon at CFC right now and I expect Lukaku to go out on loan if we do get another striker.
 
buckooo1978 said:
i doubt they are finished spending and they have improved as the season drew to a close

cole/cech were excellent again and ramires starting looking a player - if they get essien back on form i think they could be a big challenge again

with cahill/terry/luiz/ivanovic they have decent CB options - they could do with a decent right back though

they could maybe do with a midfielder and i could see them bringing in a striker

the CL win seems to have given Roman a kick up the ass in terms of his interest/investment

i dont think they are good enough to win the league but they will push us and city much much closer

i have a feeling city might struggle a little - its one thing winning a title - its another defending it
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Yes, but as I said, a fast start and they will definitely be competing.


manusteve said:
Much of your validation of the Chelsea players can just as easily be rebutted.

And, although this isn't really about Chelsea's transfer activity, I would say:

Cech is suspect.
Terry has regressed as a defender.
Mikel has never been a top class midfielder.
Essien will never be as good as he was.
Hazard, in my opinion, has much to prove and I am surprised by many posters being so adamant that he's the dog's bollocks!
If Hulk signs, so what? Far better strikers such as Crespo and Shevchenko had a poor time of it at Chelsea.
Lampard's days are numbered, and I piss myself laughing at your contention that Luiz has progressed...

I have nothing but contempt for the "oligarch", he's treated respected managers like shit.
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A few weeks ago everyone was touting Cech as the current 2nd best GK in the world, that suddenly hasn't gone to custard with a mistake or 2. Every goalkeeper has a mistake or 2, but his performances in the latter part of the season were top top quality. Cech i rate higher than Hart. Terry, Luiz, Ivanovic and Cahill all are very good CB's. Much deeper than city's squad, and although it falls short, they have the greatest depth aside from us.

Mikel really stepped up his performances (without the ball), and CFC fans seem to think he was pretty much their best player in the last dozen or so matches.

Of course Hazard isn't the greatest thing ever, but there's a reason why us City and Chelsea were in for him. That's 3 out of the top 6-7 clubs in the world, after the same player. He's got something going for him. If we were prepared to drop 32 million quid on him and his agent fee (He said it was going to be us, but then Chelsea won the CL and he decided to then choose them, so I'm guessing we would've bought him if it was up to him to choose between the clubs). He will probably be a top player. Like Mata, he could settle in and be very good this season, and obviously better next season.

Luiz has progressed. Haven't you been watching or reading or learning something about him. He's been top quality in the matches i've seen. I watched the CL final carefully, (downloaded it), and he was brilliant. Lots of the praise for Cashley should've been given to him. One time, the commentator had the balls to lambast Luiz for getting beaten by a bayern player, when Ashley was caught out of position when he got robbed of the ball and the ball was chipped over Cole!
 
Varun_Utd said:
Would never want United to go the City/Chelsea way when it comes to transfers. Speak for yourself.

And no, Abrahamovic isnt spending the "prize money". Its his cash.
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I would gladly have rich owners takeover the club from the glazers. It is not like we have something to prove. We're fecking United!

SAF + spending power is something I would certainly welcome. I don't think the incoming of a heavy wallet is going to result in any Manchester United fan going "oohh, I'm going to stop supporting them now". Infact, if it did happen a lot of people on here would be very pleased. I can understand why people don't say it out loud like I do in the fear of being money minded like Citeh, to refuse a spending power such as City's or Chelsea's will be foolish.

Apologies for going off topic.
 
Twigginater said:
Do you think Hulk/Hazard and Marin can replace Bosingwa, Kalou and Drogba and get Chelsea another 25 points than the prior three players?

If so fair enough, they'll be a challenge.

I don't even know if they've improved from last year to be honest yet.
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It also depends on how they set up. (Haven't even checked if RDM was signed on for this season) It could be Dalglish mkII. Players don't gell and lose confidence quickly, injuries.

Jury is still out. I won't be surprised if they go either way to tell you the truth. Once Terry has you on his hit list you're gone.
 
Art said:
I would gladly have rich owners takeover the club from the glazers. It is not like we have something to prove. We're fecking United!

SAF + spending power is something I would certainly welcome. I don't think the incoming of a heavy wallet is going to result in any Manchester United fan going "oohh, I'm going to stop supporting them now". Infact, if it did happen a lot of people on here would be very pleased. I can understand why people don't say it out loud like I do in the fear of being money minded like Citeh, to refuse a spending power such as City's or Chelsea's will be foolish.

Apologies for going off topic.
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Glazers are cancer, them replaced with better owners would be great, no question.

But it isnt the type of ownership that i was debating. Its how these 2 clubs spend their money. At a club like City or Chelsea, you'l very rarely see the likes of Welbeck Hernandez Cleverley etc get a chance. It'l always be new proven signings over the emphasis on youth. That, i'd hate. There's a unique thrill about seeing your own players develop at the club and become top players. With owners like abrahamovic or the sheikh, that'd never be possible.

Do you see someone form City/Chelsea's youth been given the chance to make mistakes and learn there while developing as players? I dont.
 
Azpilicueta for 10M euros should be done and dusted today/tomorrow according to Marca
 
Is Torres the only out and out striker they have at the club? Is Sturridge going to play there this season?
 
Di Matteo seems to be using the Fergie line that he is happy with his current squad.
 
They need a right back, if Ivanovic gets injured they're fecked now Bosingwa has gone.
 
GCHQ said:
Another way of looking at it is that they generated just £12m extra in ''prize money'' for winning the competition compared to the amount they earned from the same competition in the previous season. The vast majority of that £12m will have been paid out to players and staff in bonuses for winning the Champions League. So in reality there's virtually no extra cash available whatsoever.
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Except that winning got them entry to next year's CL and probably £30m - £40m that they wouldn't otherwise have had the opportunity to earn.

[Didn't look at the date - I guess I'm a bit late with this one.]
 
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