I have always thought that he was shit when I have seen him play. He has never started more than 26 league games in a season, does he have a poor injury record or something?
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I have always thought that he was shit when I have seen him play. He has never started more than 26 league games in a season, does he have a poor injury record or something?
It's funny really, Chelsea actually seemed to have some vague intention of starting to play by the rules. Since the summer of 2006 they'd spent an almost reasonable amount of money on transfers. Then last January it appeared as if Chelsea might fall out of the Champions League spots, as their original team began to creak, and since then Roman has basically gone completely mental again:
David Luiz £26,000,000
Fernando Torres £50,000,000
Thibaut Courtois £6,000,000
Oriol Romeu £4,350,000
Romelu Lukaku £20,000,000
Ulises Dávila Plascencia £1,750,000
Juan Mata £23,500,000
Raul Meireles £12,000,000
Gary Cahil £7,000,000
Kevin De Bruyne £6,700,000
Patrick Bamford £1,500,000
Marko Marin £6,500,000
Eden Hazard £32,000,000
Hulk £38,000,000
Total: £235,300,000
To put it bluntly, Roman Abramovich has spent more in 18 months than the total cost of 18 out of the other 19 premier league squads.
David Luiz £26,000,000
Fernando Torres £50,000,000
Thibaut Courtois £6,000,000
Oriol Romeu £4,350,000
Romelu Lukaku £20,000,000
Ulises Dávila Plascencia £1,750,000
Juan Mata £23,500,000
Raul Meireles £12,000,000
Gary Cahil £7,000,000
Kevin De Bruyne £6,700,000
Patrick Bamford £1,500,000
Marko Marin £6,500,000
Eden Hazard £32,000,000
Hulk £38,000,000
Total: £235,300,000
To put it bluntly, Roman Abramovich has spent more in 18 months than the total cost of 18 out of the other 19 premier league squads.
Mikel is a good player though and this Romeu lad looked promising although he has fallen off the radar.
You missed Marin.. and 13m to Porto for AvB.. and money to sack him.
And spent more money on sacking managers then what the majority of the clubs spend on transfers. It's laughable.
For a comparison here's every player United have paid a fee for who is likely to be here next season:
Shinji Kagawa £12,500,000
Phil Jones £17,000,000
David De Gea £18,900,000
Ashley Young £17,000,000
Chris Smalling £10,000,000
Javier Hernandez £6,000,000
Anders Lindegaard £3,500,000
Antonio Valencia £16,000,000
Nani £13,500,000
Anderson £15,000,000
Rafael Da Silva £2,500,000
Michael Carrick £18,600,000
Patrice Evra £5,500,000
Nemanja Vidic £7,000,000
Ji-Sung Park £4,000,000
Wayne Rooney £27,000,000
Rio Ferdinand £27,550,000
Total: £221,550,000
The likelihood is we'll have bought again before the season starts, but I'd be willing to bet Roman will have to. So in 18 months he'll have spent more than we have on our entire squad.
Shinji Kagawa £12,500,000
Phil Jones £17,000,000
David De Gea £18,900,000
Ashley Young £17,000,000
Chris Smalling £10,000,000
Javier Hernandez £6,000,000
Anders Lindegaard £3,500,000
Antonio Valencia £16,000,000
Nani £13,500,000
Anderson £15,000,000
Rafael Da Silva £2,500,000
Michael Carrick £18,600,000
Patrice Evra £5,500,000
Nemanja Vidic £7,000,000
Ji-Sung Park £4,000,000
Wayne Rooney £27,000,000
Rio Ferdinand £27,550,000
Total: £221,550,000
The likelihood is we'll have bought again before the season starts, but I'd be willing to bet Roman will have to. So in 18 months he'll have spent more than we have on our entire squad.
What's the total for your Chelsea post Chabon?
And wages, of course, can't forget the insane, football-ruining wages. I'll go add Marin in, and a total.
Who cares what they spend, their fans will be loving it all these players coming in. Lets be honest so would we. So annoying how two small clubs in City and Chelsea play football manager shoppingbfor real and were Manchester United and can't, we have to do it smarter.
Not mega 'debt' no but a rich owner who lets us soend the £100m+ on players or club. Roman has just won the CL, not like he needs the prize money is it, so they're spending it. All the big signings those two are doing and we sit here crying about net spends and ffp. Do you think their fans care?
For the record, I'm happy how we bring Scholes, Giggs, Welbeck or Cleverley through and how we snap up bargains like Schmeichel, Ole and little pea but it would be nice if once every summer we could buy just one top player and piss away the likes of Madrid,Barca, Milan, City, Chelsea or whoever but we never can go toe to toe with them.
Kagawa would be great but Mata, Torres, Hulk and Hazard kn one short time? Form or not, thats power.
He'd already spent the prize money on Hazard.
One hell of a forward line Chelsea would have next season. Roman is really up to it again by splashing the money. Looks like the CL win reignites his passion.
What prize money? 5 million euros more for winning it compared to not winning it. That's all we're talking about here. Roman's spending his own money with these signings, not Chelsea's.
Chelsea really are in position that they need to spend though aren't they. Yes they just won the CL league, but they put all their eggs in that basket and it paid off. Roman stayed loyal to the players long enough for them to achieve their goal but obviously without a major shake up they were not going to come close to repeating in the CL and would have trouble cracking the top 4 in the PL.
So no shock that they are going to spend big, Roman wants his new showcase stadium and he won't get it fielding an average team. In addition to replacing all the players leaving, he will have to start looking to replace Lampard, Terry, Cole and maybe even Cech in the next 2 years. Though Cech seemed to start recovering form the last 4 games in the CL, his form in the PL was not that great. He did just sign an extension, it will be interesting to see which Cech Chelsea get next season, his CL form or his PL form.
So no shock that they are going to spend big, Roman wants his new showcase stadium and he won't get it fielding an average team. In addition to replacing all the players leaving, he will have to start looking to replace Lampard, Terry, Cole and maybe even Cech in the next 2 years. Though Cech seemed to start recovering form the last 4 games in the CL, his form in the PL was not that great. He did just sign an extension, it will be interesting to see which Cech Chelsea get next season, his CL form or his PL form.
Would never want United to go the City/Chelsea way when it comes to transfers. Speak for yourself.
And no, Abrahamovic isnt spending the "prize money". Its his cash.
Agreed. This spree was alaways on the cards, we've knows for a while. Nothing surprising about it.
The swiss rambles tweets today have been very interesting. Basically saying even though this makes it hard, Chelsea will still be close to hitting FFP.
Any more signings and they're screwed, right?
Although I guess flogging the Kalouda twins would balance the books a bit.
Although I guess flogging the Kalouda twins would balance the books a bit.
I think it has more to do with finishing 6th in the league.
Never mind the CL trophy. Let's not forget they spent a cocking fortune last season too.
I don't think Roman's motivation for all the recent spending is anything noble, like passion or love of the game. He just can't stand to see City being perceived as the league's wealthiest club. The Premier League is fast turning into nothing more than an opportunity for two rich men to compare the size of their cocks. Heart-warming stuff.
I don't think Roman's motivation for all the recent spending is anything noble, like passion or love of the game. He just can't stand to see City being perceived as the league's wealthiest club. The Premier League is fast turning into nothing more than an opportunity for two rich men to compare the size of their cocks. Heart-warming stuff.
They can have the Hulk! He's not that great a player...Decent, but not world class.
Well that's one of his points. With Kalou, Bosingwa, Anelka and Drogba leaving, as well as players like Malouda probably on their way out, Chelsea's wage bill will probably be a lot lot lower.
Then if you add in the extra revenue for Chelsea, as well as an increase in their sponsorship money, it makes it a bit easier to get into FFP.
Players like Hulk, Hazard may seem expensive, but as their contracts is split over five years, it's likely they'll only effect the club about 14 million a year.
He also says Roman could easily just keep spending, but as it is, they're going to be there or thereabouts for FFP.
I always expected a massive spree. If you think about it, Mourinho is the one who caused this problem, because he just went and bought a load of mid twenties established stars to make his short term team brilliant instead of actually investing in youth for the future.
Luckily, Sir Alex does the opposite.
Luckily, Sir Alex does the opposite.
Its like that £70m he splashed out on Torres and Luiz 18 months ago is forgotten.
When has Roman ever stopped spending?
I agree, i never thought Chelsea or anyone rated Mikel as highly as other central midfielders though and they could find improvements. Essien and Lampard are getting older (Essien only 29 but he's been on the decline lately) so they need a new CM backup or otherwise to be a part of the future (Hulk, Hazard, Mata, Ramires, Torres are set for the next 3-5 years.)
Actually, i just forgot that they have Meireles and McEachran, ridiculous the amount of good players they have. Surely some of their CM/Wingers will be sold/loaned out.
Fergie also buys a lot of mid-twenties established players (not so much these days but look at Ashley Young for an example). Most Mourinho signings in his first two years at Chelsea were typical Fergie signings: promising players nearing their peak who played just below the highest level until that point.
Then came Ballack, Cole and Shevchenko but they most certainly did not make Mourinho's reign brilliant.
He most certainly does not buy "a lot" of them, only when he feels the team needs to be improved more short term than long term. Over the last 10 years we've bought far more youth than established players, when we pay larger fees anyway.
Which shows how completely laughable FFP really is.
I think it actually goes to show how Chelsea have done well to bring up their revenue so much.
Also why they will probably hit early FFP, the fact is they are going to be starting the next five years with 28 million pound loss. They won't necessarily be able to do this every year.
This is the age at which each member of next year's (probable) squad signed their first contract with the club, with those who signed over the age of 21 in bold:
De Gea 20
Lindegaard 26
Amos 17
Rafael 17
Jones 19
Ferdinand 23
Vidic 24
Smalling 20
Evans 17
Evra 24
Fletcher 17
Carrick 24
Scholes 17
Giggs 17
Anderson 19
Cleverley 17
Valencia 23
Park 24
Young 25
Nani 21
Cleverley 17
Kagawa 23
Rooney 18
Welbeck 17
Hernandez 21
Macheda 17
Makes sense from Roman's perspective. With Drogba and a couple of other players leaving, he's going to need as much fire power to help Torres out. Having Hulk, Mata, Hazard, all working with Torres will probably bring the best out of him. I'm sure City's success also played a part in spurring on this latest sugar daddy binge.
I would still class a 23 year old as young, definitely not players under the age of 25 anyway. You get 10 years out of them. Plus even if you take in over 21, that's 9 out of 23.
They could still spend close to £60m and be fine by FFP if I remember correctly. Not that they are going to care all that much about FFP.
Aren't this signing fees basically divided between the next four or five year, depending on the length of contract, due to ammortisation? So if they spend £100m this year it'll effectively be £20m a year over the next few years (of course it'll grow if they make additional signings following years but we need to take departures into equation). I imagine their wages will go down by quite a bit too - especially when they release Terry and Lampard, both on £6m a year, and sell Torres in the near future.
Okay, here's a list of Mourinho's biggest signings at Chelsea in 2004 and 2005 (excluding Robben; I believe that deal was in place when he arrived?), with the age at they were signed.
Michael Essien - 22 years old
Shaun Wright-Phillips - 23
Ricardo Carvalho - 26
Didier Drogba - 26
Asier del Horno - 24
Tiago - 23
Mateja Kezman - 25
Paulo Ferreira - 25
He also brought youngsters like Scott Sinclair, Lassana Diarra and Salomon Kalou (who's still only 27) to the club. EDIT: I don't deny that Fergie usually buys better young players than that group but that's not the point here
This is pretty much standard "Ferguson" transfer policy. Ashley Young, Dimitar Berbatov, Antonio Valencia, Michael Carrick, Owen Hargreaves, Nemanja Vidic, Patrice Evra, Gabriel Heinze, Ji-sung Park, Alan Smith, Rio Ferdinand, Kléberson were all in the same age group as Mourinho's listed signings when they were purchased. And there were Ruud van Nistelrooy, Juan Sebastian Verón, Dwight Yorke, Andy Cole etc. Saying that Ferguson does "the complete opposite" of what Mourinho did is laughable when most of his best signings were players in their mid-twenties... just like in case of Mourinho.
Chelsea only started getting those "established stars" in 2006, with Ballack, Cole and Shevchenko. You may also count Verón but he wasn't a Mourinho signing, obviously.
The youngest player you've named there is 22 years old. I don't see your debate really, seeing as we sign so many players under the age of 22/21, something Chelsea did not do and look at how old their squad got. We only the other hand do not have an old squad, well, apart from 2 of our midfielders.
Coincidence?
Coincidence?
I'll try to make it simple then. You said Mourinho buys established players in his mid-twenties while Fergie does the complete opposite. That is simply not true, as I have shown: Fergie buys a lot of players aged 23-26, just like Mourinho does. Therefore his policy isn't the "complete opposite" of what Mourinho did at Chelsea.
The "nucleus" of our squad is as old as Chelsea's, we have at least as many key players over 30 as they do (Scholes, Giggs, Evra, Carrick, Ferdinand, Vidic). We have more promising young players, yes, mostly because we sign better youngsters and because we have a manager who's got enough authority and security to gamble on actually giving them chances. Chelsea managers don't have that because they're out on their arse the moment something goes wrong; it's not a consequence of Mourinho's transfer policy (which you have blamed for Chelsea's problems) but of Abramovich's lack of patience.