Chelsea 2024/25

Chelsea could end up snatching the title this season just so long as Palmer stays fit.
 
Chelsea could end up snatching the title this season just so long as Palmer stays fit.

Dark horses but I think they lack experience and leadership, which means they might fold away.

They do have immense talent and they're finally gelling though.

Liverpool have VVD and Salah who have done it before and I think that matters.
 
Don't like them much or how they've behaved in the transfer market/treated some of their players the past few years, but they are becoming a very good team. Still a few positions short of being elite but a ton of young talent that will continue to develop. Probably don't have enough for the title this year but I would take them a million times over Liverpool or Arsenal.
 
I don't think we're doing THAT well, everyone else bar Liverpool are just shitting the bed.
This is the correct take. Liverpool is on course for 91 points, and they’ve generally fallen off a bit in the 2nd half the last few seasons. This league might be won with a total as low as 85.
 
We look awesome in attack, amazing in midfield, and great at each fullback position. All with very young players that will only get better. Colwill is also fantastic.

All we need is a top class CB partner for Colwill, a world class keeper, and a proper rotation option to compete with Nico Jackson. I like Nkunku but he isn’t a natural center forward.

The right sided CB position where Fofana is constantly injured and all 3 of Tosin, Badiashile, and Disasi are all merely okay and goalkeeper positions are what will most certainly prevent us from fighting until the very end this season. Too many silly errors from those areas.

But if we’re smart in the next 2 transfer windows we are set up brilliantly for years to come. We really don’t even have to think about the center of the pitch or attacking midfield areas for a loooong time. Caicedo & Enzo are only 23, Lavia is only 20, Andrey Santos is having an unreal season on loan at Strasbourg and will come back a beast of a CM. All of our attackers are young.

All of the transfer business that looked batshit crazy at the time looks now like it’ll payoff massively in the future.
 
They're good and they're there but nah, don't see it. They're winning games by being just a bit better than their opponents, and I don't trust them to keep pulling this off enough for a title challenge, not while Liverpool are tearing their opponents to pieces. This feels like Inter and Juventus in serie A last season
 
They're good and they're there but nah, don't see it. They're winning games by being just a bit better than their opponents, and I don't trust them to keep pulling this off enough for a title challenge, not while Liverpool are tearing their opponents to pieces. This feels like Inter and Juventus in serie A last season

Are Liverpool tearing anyone to pieces? I feel like Chelsea tear more teams apart than Liverpool do, their battle will be consistency, but I am still not convinced by Liverpool at all.

Liverpool have only won 2 of their last 10 games by more than a goal (with a few poor performances thrown in their too)

Chelsea feel like they have a higher ceiling performance wise, and if they can start doing that consistently, I think they could be ahead of Liverpool by the end of January.
 
Maresca's Chelsea: 23 games, 16 wins, 63 goals scored.

Potter's Chelsea: 31 games, 12 wins, 33 goals scored.
 
Are Liverpool tearing anyone to pieces? I feel like Chelsea tear more teams apart than Liverpool do, their battle will be consistency, but I am still not convinced by Liverpool at all.

Liverpool have only won 2 of their last 10 games by more than a goal (with a few poor performances thrown in their too)

Chelsea feel like they have a higher ceiling performance wise, and if they can start doing that consistently, I think they could be ahead of Liverpool by the end of January.
We've had some big performances of late, in Europe and the league.

For much of the season though, his assessment basically describes us. Not steamrolling the opposition, but winning games by consistently being the best team on the pitch, even if the margins of that are not always overwhelming.

I actually think we have a higher gear in us and would improve tremendously with a one or two well-picked signings (or Jota staying fecking fit). There are times where we roll out some superb football and especially earlier in the season, some of the combinations we played were great to watch. Been a theme that the periods we've played great football, we haven't scored as much as you'd expect, but then we can nab opportunistic goals without needing to play great instead.

That said, I do think this is a two-horse race and Chelsea have the potential to make this trickier than most would think.

If our three key players (Salah, Van Dijk, Alisson) can stay fit I think we can see it through. Chelsea don't have anyone of that caliber to steer them through a full campaign.
 
We've had some big performances of late, in Europe and the league.

For much of the season though, his assessment basically describes us. Not steamrolling the opposition, but winning games by consistently being the best team on the pitch, even if the margins of that are not always overwhelming.

I actually think we have a higher gear in us and would improve tremendously with a one or two well-picked signings (or Jota staying fecking fit). There are times where we roll out some superb football and especially earlier in the season, some of the combinations we played were great to watch.

That said, I do think this is a two-horse race and Chelsea have the potential to make this trickier than most would think.

If our three key players (Salah, Van Dijk, Alisson) can stay fit I think we can see it through. Chelsea don't have anyone of that caliber to steer them through a full campaign.

I actually didn’t mean to be derogatory about Liverpool, I just feel like there have been quite a few tighter wins recently and I am not convinced about their ability to stay ahead of the pack.

There have been no real pastings and I feel like good teams will still feel like they can get something in those games.

While Chelsea don’t have the defensive stability (which could very well be what sees Liverpool through in the end), they are much more exciting going forward and have more goals in them.

Palmer is as good as anyone in the league right now, so they have their talisman too.
 
We've had some big performances of late, in Europe and the league.

For much of the season though, his assessment basically describes us. Not steamrolling the opposition, but winning games by consistently being the best team on the pitch, even if the margins of that are not always overwhelming.

I actually think we have a higher gear in us and would improve tremendously with a one or two well-picked signings (or Jota staying fecking fit). There are times where we roll out some superb football and especially earlier in the season, some of the combinations we played were great to watch. Been a theme that the periods we've played great football, we haven't scored as much as you'd expect, but then we can nab opportunistic goals without needing to play great instead.

That said, I do think this is a two-horse race and Chelsea have the potential to make this trickier than most would think.

If our three key players (Salah, Van Dijk, Alisson) can stay fit I think we can see it through. Chelsea don't have anyone of that caliber to steer them through a full campaign.

Kelleher has been excellent, in fact even less error prone than Ali before he got injured. There is a great backup in there, even more than great, you might loose him with his perfomances if someone comes to the door promising first team. The lad is living a Dibu Martinez situation in Arsenal, he deserves to be THE keeper of some team.

And do not forget about Macca, he is the glue for Liverpool to actually be an intelligent7clever/smart a team. That's why he almost always becomes the Coach's player.
Liverpool it's a team that without Virgil and Macca, it's still quite frantic or erratic and full of "I'm skill and fast and improvise stuff the whole time" or "I'm a relentless, powerfull, pacey" fella.
These type of players have ups and lows, not only within the season, but within matches, and Pool it's full of them.

Gravenberch, another asset, has find his feet and it's of great help for Macca, because the lad also (like Endo in the past) brings the pace and constant pressing any team needs, while at the same time, tends to play easy with the Ginger (not always, but most of times) so this helps Pool to be their pragmatic self, mantein order and be quite hard to impose against them. As talented and great as many of the kids are, as great Trent can be, they all have a tendency to overplay, or get rushed, upfront with Lucho and Darwin? even more. Even Moh it's more of an extremely assertive, skill fella that oozes confidence, that we'll fvck up quite some number of instances but almost everytime delivers numbers, some magic or clever plays.

The perfomances against Real and City does not exist without him, sometimes people fail to notice all the big and little nuances he brings to the table, including the confidence his mates have on him to bail them under pressure, bring the ball clean from the back, give them some air or expecting some surprising play with his range of passing.
In fact if Pool was a team with more calm compose and clever players, Macca more than probably would play way more up in the pitch, but nope, they need him in the middle of everything, even if they loose his offensive assets, others can provide that at some moment if Liverpool controls the game.
 
Kelleher has been excellent, in fact even less error prone than Ali before he got injured. There is a great backup in there, even more than great, you might loose him with his perfomances if someone comes to the door promising first team. The lad is living a Dibu Martinez situation in Arsenal, he deserves to be THE keeper of some team.

And do not forget about Macca, he is the glue for Liverpool to actually be an intelligent7clever/smart a team. That's why he almost always becomes the Coach's player.
Liverpool it's a team that without Virgil and Macca, it's still quite frantic or erratic and full of "I'm skill and fast and improvise stuff the whole time" or "I'm a relentless, powerfull, pacey" fella.
These type of players have ups and lows, not only within the season, but within matches, and Pool it's full of them.

Gravenberch, another asset, has find his feet and it's of great help for Macca, because the lad also (like Endo in the past) brings the pace and constant pressing any team needs, while at the same time, tends to play easy with the Ginger (not always, but most of times) so this helps Pool to be their pragmatic self, mantein order and be quite hard to impose against them. As talented and great as many of the kids are, as great Trent can be, they all have a tendency to overplay, or get rushed, upfront with Lucho and Darwin? even more. Even Moh it's more of an extremely assertive, skill fella that oozes confidence, that we'll fvck up quite some number of instances but almost everytime delivers numbers, some magic or clever plays.

The perfomances against Real and City does not exist without him, sometimes people fail to notice all the big and little nuances he brings to the table, including the confidence his mates have on him to bail them under pressure, bring the ball clean from the back, give them some air or expecting some surprising play with his range of passing.
In fact if Pool was a team with more calm compose and clever players, Macca more than probably would play way more up in the pitch, but nope, they need him in the middle of everything, even if they loose his offensive assets, others can provide that at some moment if Liverpool controls the game.
Don't get me wrong, we have a lot of good players.
Gravenberch, TAA, Konate, Mac Allister and Diaz are all top class players who would start for any team going.
And Jota, Szoboslai, Jones, Robinson, Kelleher, Bradley, Gomez and Elliot are all very good players that I have no worries about whenever they are starting games.

The big three are a level above anyone else in their positions in the league though. There are very few players of their caliber in the premier league and the fact that we have three such players is amazing. They are the real difference makers and the three players in this side with an easy entrance into the Liverpool alltime XI.

Kelleher is good, probably the best keeper we've had not named Reina or Alisson since Grobbelaar left in 94. Which tells its own sad story I suppose. But Alisson is still levels above. Kelleher makes good saves and he saves the ones you expect your keeper to save which is a huge quality. And every now and then even a great save that he didn't really have the right to save. Alisson does that as a matter of course though and makes it looks easy with his positioning. For me, the best keeper in the world. His only downside is injuries.
 
They drew at home to fecking Fulham a couple of days ago
They're rightfully huge favourites to win the league but steady on.
While being down to 10 men almost the whole game and still mostly steamrolled them, they really should have won. There was a bigger margin between them and Fulham in terms of performance than between Chelsea and Brentford, and again, they were down to 10 men
 
While being down to 10 men almost the whole game and still mostly steamrolled them, they really should have won. There was a bigger margin between them and Fulham in terms of performance than between Chelsea and Brentford, and again, they were down to 10 men
They drew, they didn't "steamroller" them by any stretch of the imagination.
 
Don't get me wrong, we have a lot of good players.
Gravenberch, TAA, Konate, Mac Allister and Diaz are all top class players who would start for any team going.
And Jota, Szoboslai, Jones, Robinson, Kelleher, Bradley, Gomez and Elliot are all very good players that I have no worries about whenever they are starting games.

The big three are a level above anyone else in their positions in the league though. There are very few players of their caliber in the premier league and the fact that we have three such players is amazing. They are the real difference makers and the three players in this side with an easy entrance into the Liverpool alltime XI.

Kelleher is good, probably the best keeper we've had not named Reina or Alisson since Grobbelaar left in 94. Which tells its own sad story I suppose. But Alisson is still levels above. Kelleher makes good saves and he saves the ones you expect your keeper to save which is a huge quality. And every now and then even a great save that he didn't really have the right to save. Alisson does that as a matter of course though and makes it looks easy with his positioning. For me, the best keeper in the world. His only downside is injuries.

I'll leave aside if the three mentioned are actually a level above, I always have a problem with the "level" above between elite players, even between geniuses (or even Leagues), yet that's subject for another matter. BTW I of course think that are the basement of the team and all timers in my view.

Yet I wasn't talking about big names, trajectories or even current form or level regarding players, I was talking about the actual tendencies of Liverpool players, atributes and operation of the team.
In such sense, Macca is vital and other players I've mentioned surrounding him, are vital for him.

Liverpool has too many let's call "instictive" players, some very skill like Lucho, Trent, Curtis, etc...others very physical pool alike like Robertson, but Pool, like many current teams lack in some sense brains, real clever footballers, not clever in the sense of pulling out a rabbit in a moment, a play or a couple of them (the kids right now had done that). I mean it in the big picture, how to order your mates, where to stand, when to press, when to wait, when to hold it, when to do a fast transtition, even shithousery and a large etc...small things like when to risk it in some steal or offensive play and those apparently simplier things but that few players do that is sending a pass with a message: run to the space, attack/shoot, hold it, and do those to the right foot, speed and weight.
People lately tend to talk abot lack of technique in many major teams, it's not that much about that, it's more lack of mature and intelligent figures and the roles they play.
Modric is aging, Kross it's not there, Kevin even not being entirely for me in that department is older and not entirely fit, Gundo it's far from his best self, etc...

That's why I've mentioned Virgil/Macca being vital in producing the sort of perfomances like the ones against Madrid and City. Of course without the numbers and output of Moh, would be futile, but without the brains of those two, you play another game, you can still win, have great perfomances, but you loose that edge that is primarly lacking in other major teams. Not even Chelsea has these two, lots of young guns in top form, but not with the maturity and intelligence that most times gets a team over the line in extremely tough circumstances.
 
Maresca's Chelsea: 23 games, 16 wins, 63 goals scored.

Potter's Chelsea: 31 games, 12 wins, 33 goals scored.

Let's be fair. Potter was there at a time when new players were being thrown at him seemingly every other day. It was chaos.

Maresca has benefited from coming in post a more settled period under Pochettino.

That is not to say that Maresca isnt a better coach than Potter, but I really think Potter was at the club at a bad time.
 
I'm actually shocked that we're in this position. I think I predicted us to finish 5th, and my predictions was us battling with United, Villa, Spurs and Newcastle for 4th and us just missing out.
 
Let's be fair. Potter was there at a time when new players were being thrown at him seemingly every other day. It was chaos.

Maresca has benefited from coming in post a more settled period under Pochettino.

That is not to say that Maresca isnt a better coach than Potter, but I really think Potter was at the club at a bad time.

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Let's be fair. Potter was there at a time when new players were being thrown at him seemingly every other day. It was chaos.

Maresca has benefited from coming in post a more settled period under Pochettino.

That is not to say that Maresca isnt a better coach than Potter, but I really think Potter was at the club at a bad time.
I do believe that Potter was just the scapegoat for how bad Boehly was running the club. Given time, I think Potter would have proven a good manager. Luckily we bumbled our way to a good squad with a really good manager. It really has been a comedy of errors that has worked out.
 
Let's be fair. Potter was there at a time when new players were being thrown at him seemingly every other day. It was chaos.

Maresca has benefited from coming in post a more settled period under Pochettino.

That is not to say that Maresca isnt a better coach than Potter, but I really think Potter was at the club at a bad time.

This is 100% true. Potter joined when the season had already started, so no preseason with the team plus he had integrate 6 new players immediately and then a further 8 new players in January with a World Cup break in between ruining the momentum. People forget Potter actually started pretty decently, and then just hit a wall post World Cup. Maresca is 100% benefiting from the club being much more stable in terms of transfers ins and outs. A lot of the players he's working with have been here for 18-24 months.
 
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This is 100% true. Potter joined when the season had already started, so no preseason with the team plus he had integrate 6 new players immediately and then a further 8 new players in January with a World Cup break in between ruining the momentum. People forget Potter actually started pretty decently, and then just hit a wall post World Cup. Maresca is 100% benefiting from the club being much more stable in terms of transfers ins and outs. A lot of the players he's working with have been here since 18-24 months.

Im no Potter fan, but the man needs to get back in the game. Feels like he is just waiting for the right job at the right time - while enjoying his Chelsea severance package. But you can wait too long and all of a sudden a new group of managers pass you by.
 
I do believe that Potter was just the scapegoat for how bad Boehly was running the club. Given time, I think Potter would have proven a good manager. Luckily we bumbled our way to a good squad with a really good manager. It really has been a comedy of errors that has worked out.
I wouldn't say it was a comedy of errors. With money being no object, you basically bought every top young player that wasn't going to Real Madrid or Barcelona. That is a pretty good approach, but you obviously needed a cash injection that hasn't been seen in any sport I am aware of if you count the debt repayment as well.
 
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If there was ever a team that wouldn't think twice about splashing 100 million to strengthen the team in the January window if they believe they have an opportunity to win the league
 
If there was ever a team that wouldn't think twice about splashing 100 million to strengthen the team in the January window if they believe they have an opportunity to win the league
Don’t see us doing any business in January unless there are big injuries in the defense.
 
Let's be fair. Potter was there at a time when new players were being thrown at him seemingly every other day. It was chaos.

Maresca has benefited from coming in post a more settled period under Pochettino.

That is not to say that Maresca isnt a better coach than Potter, but I really think Potter was at the club at a bad time.

In fact for instance Enzo with Potter was doing a game so so, another good and another great in a disarray team, that at times played good.
Poch came and everything went into deeper shit on every area and only in the last stages he more or less save a little face.
Between PSG and his last time in Chelsea, Poch didn't knew how to handle talented teams at all.
 
In fact for instance Enzo with Potter was doing a game so so, another good and another great in a disarray team, that at times played good.
Poch came and everything went into deeper shit on every area and only in the last stages he more or less save a little face.
Between PSG and his last time in Chelsea, Poch didn't knew how to handle talented teams at all.
I think Poch is cursed. Last year our team had half the team injured every week. He takes over the USMNT and now half of the starters are injured. Most of the recent injuries for the US happened at their clubs.....but Poch is the common denominator.
 
Reports Mudryk has tested positive in a doping test? Does he even play for them these days not seen him for ages.
Been reported as out with an "illness" for a few games now, the doping thing would make sense. Funny of all the players he gets busted, clearly wasn't helping much. He does love the gym though so guess it makes sense.
 
Don’t see us doing any business in January unless there are big injuries in the defense.

You’re light up top. Nkunku is not a real striker and Jackson is a bit meh. You should definitely buy Rashford for £70m. Competition for places is important
 
I think he was worried about a pathway into the team and the club just showed him Reece James medical file.

:lol: has he been living under a rock the last 2 years, if he needs James’ medical history to convince him to commit?
 
Genuinely who is this? Why's it such a big deal? Was he a signing or a youth prospect?
Very highly rated young defender, initially joined the Chelsea U-8s. He was frozen out of the squad and told he wouldn't get minutes if he didn't commit to an extension but was brought back in recently as the talks progressed.

Can play RCB or RB. Should hopefully start on Thursday.