Chelsea selling Angelo for 7m profit. Cant do anything but laugh at this.
Not even trying to hide.
Trying to hide what?
Chelsea selling Angelo for 7m profit. Cant do anything but laugh at this.
Not even trying to hide.
During the first few months after Ten Hag took over (up until the World Cup I think), Rashford was playing centre forward and Sancho was on the left.How often did he even play on the left at United? Rashford has pretty much commandeered that position since forever.
Chelsea selling Angelo for 7m profit. Cant do anything but laugh at this.
Not even trying to hide.
Given Kante and Mendy going there for a combined £16m was apparently some massive conspiracy (but Liverpool rebuilding their washed up midfield thanks to money from the same league was perfectly fine) I think it's safe to say rival fans are well too far down the rabbit hole where this topic is concerned.Who doesn't sell to Saudi for profit? That's a relatively modest profit considering Saudi are the buyers. Angelo isn't like Washington, who has veeeryyy little pro experience. Angelo actually had a solid amount of experience in Brazil before we signed him, 3 seasons, and then he spent a full season in Ligue 1. He's also a Brazil U20 international.
I'm surprised he's agreed to go there though, but he isn't the first, and won't be the last, to jump to Saudi at the first chance before even really beginning their careers properly.
Given Kante and Mendy going there for a combined £16m was apparently some massive conspiracy (but Liverpool rebuilding their washed up midfield thanks to money from the same league was perfectly fine) I think it's safe to say rival fans are well too far down the rabbit hole where this topic is concerned.
Who doesn't sell to Saudi for profit? That's a relatively modest profit considering Saudi are the buyers. Angelo isn't like Washington, who has veeeryyy little pro experience. Angelo actually had a solid amount of experience in Brazil before we signed him, 3 seasons, and then he spent a full season in Ligue 1. He's also a Brazil U20 international.
I'm surprised he's agreed to go there though, but he isn't the first, and won't be the last, to jump to Saudi at the first chance before even really beginning their careers properly.
I mean Atleti get a full 50% of any future deal for Omorodion, so we're talking about a 10m PL tax effectively. Hardly earth-shattering.While you can argue the merits of this particular deal, do you not believe that Chelsea are doing shady exercises of player swaps at inflated valuations? While it may be a loophole, don't you see how Chelsea are effectively gaming the system? The June 30 swaps with Villa, the Omorodion deal where the player was a 40 million euro asset while signing for Chelsea and when the deal fell through, he signed for Porto for 15 million. And you would know of more shady deals.
While you can argue the merits of this particular deal, do you not believe that Chelsea are doing shady exercises of player swaps at inflated valuations? While it may be a loophole, don't you see how Chelsea are effectively gaming the system? The June 30 swaps with Villa, the Omorodion deal where the player was a 40 million euro asset while signing for Chelsea and when the deal fell through, he signed for Porto for 15 million. And you would know of more shady deals.
I mean Atleti get a full 50% of any future deal for Omorodion, so we're talking about a 10m PL tax effectively. Hardly earth-shattering.
If you go into one of the PSR threads, you'll see many posts in there from me that I fully believe Chelsea were doing exactly as you say, colluding with other clubs in the same PSR predicament to game the rules.
That doesn't people can just pick anything they see and attach shady values to it though, like you just did there with Omorodion.
You can't point to Omorodion getting sold for 15m as some sort of gotcha while ignoring the fact that it was for 50% of his economic value.We can agree to disagree on the Omorodion transfer. But the fact that the figure was eerily close to the Gallagher fee and only marginally lesser than the Joao Felix transfer, is clear (to me) that it was deliberately overinflated. Chelsea know what they’re doing and if there’s an Everton/Forest type scenario which happens, who would the fans protest against? In an ideal world, the Chelsea supporter groups should be putting out statements that they need to be included in the thought process behind this radical decision making.
We can agree to disagree on the Omorodion transfer. But the fact that the figure was eerily close to the Gallagher fee and only marginally lesser than the Joao Felix transfer, is clear (to me) that it was deliberately overinflated. Chelsea know what they’re doing and if there’s an Everton/Forest type scenario which happens, who would the fans protest against? In an ideal world, the Chelsea supporter groups should be putting out statements that they need to be included in the thought process behind this radical decision making.
There's really nothing to agree to disagree about. That's not the first nor the last time a deal like that has happened. Porto are banking on Omorodion becoming world class very quickly so they can sell him for 90-100m, give Atleti their 50% and bank the rest of the profits.
Chelsea selling Angelo for 7m profit. Cant do anything but laugh at this.
Not even trying to hide.
Well Carvalho player for Liverpool in EPL. They were pretty happy to keep him. There were many team after him.I dont see how its much different to Liverpool selling Fabio Carvalho and i bet you said nothing about that.
He's one of the best deep-lying ball progressors and playmakers in Europe. Not great physicality (apart from excellent stamina) so has struggled out of possession.Dont watch many Chelsea games as I don't have the time. However keen to know what you all think of Enzo?
What's his actual role and how good is he really?
He's one of the best deep-lying ball progressors and playmakers in Europe. Not great physicality (apart from excellent stamina) so has struggled out of possession.
Ideally you'd play him in a double pivot alongside a destructive deep-lying defensive midfielder or potentially in a 3 man midfield as an 8 where he and the other 8 have license to get forward (again you need a destructive 6 to do this probably or potentially an inverted fullback). He's not great with his back to the opposition goal so not a great fit as a 10.
Well Carvalho player for Liverpool in EPL. They were pretty happy to keep him. There were many team after him.
Not sure how these can be compared, one is a fringe player in title challenging team another is part of a (not sure what to call whats happening at Chelsea)
What? he played 13 times for Liverpool and scored 2 goals, 1 underwhelming loan one at Leipzig and and an average one in the Championship with Hull.
Angelo highly rated young player from Brazil with a decent loan at Strasbourg.
Lavia is not healthy at the moment. Something about Caicedo makes him take a bit before he warns up his league form; he hasn’t played great yet.
Enzo hasn’t played particularly bad. Chelsea, in general, hasn’t played particularly bad. We played pretty well in what we were trying to do versus City, we just choked on our chances and we had issues with Haaland. We hit points that were downright sublime against Wolves. Hughes should have been off the field and nobody mentions the Palace game.
I know nobody likes to mention “grades” and “metrics”, but Enzo HAS graded out very well, and not just by passing backwards. His progressive carries and ability to get the ball forward have been good. He isn’t Lavia defensively, but we haven’t been that bad defensively. I expected us to be worse. Eze had a great moment from a ball that should have been easily cleared out, but aside from that Palace had an almost non existent xG or real threat. Their “shots on goal” cane from outside the box and might as well have been lobbed passes to Sanchez.
Attacking momentum and possession have both been in Chelsea’s favor by nearly 70%.
5 “Outstanding chances” in a game is nearly unheard of. If Dean Henderson doesn’t channel Oliver Khan, and the refereeing is slightly normal it’s a co for table 3 points ( how does a player get 5 warnings for physical fouls that do t get the ball and no red card? And how does Palmer have more Yellows than Will Hughes).
So if you’re a Chelsea fan. Don’t overreact, don’t let them get to you, and support the team. They are buying in. Fofana earned a call up back to France with his recent games, but said no for now so he could focus on getting to full fitness and following his plan properly.
The team is starting to move the ball with better and cleaner tempo. There are fewer miscommunication mistakes every time they play.
How was Carvalho's loan (9 goals + 2 assists in 20 games) at Hull average yet Angelo's (0 goals, 4 assists in 25) decent?
While your critiques are fair for the most part, I think it's also important to point out that Caicedo more than anyone else in our team was the biggest victim of Poch's chaotic tactics. Far too often Caicedo was left alone to cover acres of space - it's hard to look good in that kind of system.As an outsider, I honestly do not see any real quality with Caicedo. When I watch him he seems to:
a) have 'ok, but limited' passing. In particular, he doesn't strike the ball with much zip to transition the ball quickly.
b) not have a great reading of the game. For instance, he appears to not be able to read where the person in possession is going to play the ball until after they have struck the ball. This means he is regularly ends up late to challenge for the ball, which causes him to have a very 'clumsy' style of tackling.
c) he seems to panic under any duress and consequently makes bad decisions. Utd's fist at SB last season was a prime example of this where he essentially played a through ball. I think I also remember him whiping out James against City before they got a pen (?) In your home game last season.
I get that he has a good engine and puts himself about, but apart from that I honestly don't see what he provides.
chelsea are becoming the new Man City or Red Bull with all the loopholes they've found
https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/41120574/chelsea-hotel-sale-cleared-premier-league-sources
While your critiques are fair for the most part, I think it's also important to point out that Caicedo more than anyone else in our team was the biggest victim of Poch's chaotic tactics. Far too often Caicedo was left alone to cover acres of space - it's hard to look good in that kind of system.
He's quietly been excellent for most of 2024 - but I do think more broadly it's becoming evident that he's not a single pivot type of player. He's far more akin to Kante where you want to allow him to press high to make the most of his engine - so in general I'd agree with @WeePat and his thinking that Caicedo + Lavia likely makes the most sense as a midfield pair. Unless we do something outlandish and play Caicedo as a high-pressing inverting right back - but that's probably only something to do in emergencies (although we did do it once Gusto went off injured this past weekend).
Real Madrid-buying-their-training- grounds from-the-government-for-next-to-nothing then-selling-it-back-for-huge-profit-decades-ago says “Hi!”chelsea are becoming the new Man City or Red Bull with all the loopholes they've found
https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/41120574/chelsea-hotel-sale-cleared-premier-league-sources
I assume you would prefer they keep you for now? As nuts as things have been I think a change would probably worsen things at present.
I read that. I was wondering how you felt about it.There's no indication that Clearlake want to sell, the report says they want to increase their shares.
I read that. I was wondering how you felt about it.
Ahh, yeah, I'd forgotten there was stipulations about that.I mean, it depends on who was going to buy. Could there be better? Of course.
I don't think they could sell even if they wanted to for a few years as part of the purchase so it's not really something I've considered much.