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Skills said:
They're either revolutionaries and other clubs will follow suit, or completely out of sync with the risk profile/turnover in a sport like football.
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So… the latter is possible. The one thing they may not grasp yet is how mercurial “form” is in football and what it means. Having to move on from a player after a year, not because they weren’t talented, but because something simply didn’t work, or there were form issues related to chemistry, bedding in in a new country, etc

American sports doesn’t usually have this issue. It CAN , but much more rarely.

And if they have to move on from players, or are locked on to a player succeeding, it can have huge costs either financially or in team chemistry and development.

So: if a player works out the way you think, the security and flexibility of the longer contract is better all day. But thats s big if. I would probably reserve it for the Haaland’s of the world.

EDIT: apparently United went with a 5 + 1 contract with Antony, so maybe the tend is already starting to rub off?
 
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Bluelion7 said:
EDIT: apparently United went with a 5 + 1 contract with Antony, so maybe the tend is already starting to rub off?
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Seriously are you new to the football? :lol:

Looks like you are and somehow think Chelsea are setting the trend. Forget other clubs, did you check how many years Kepa was signed for?
 
jakko said:
Cucucrella was always the first choice for LWB/LCB but he wanted to join Man City so we went for Ake instead. Soon as City weren't getting Cucucrella we went in for him.
Kounde was going to be a replacement for Azpi, who is sadly finished and wanted to go to Barca. Kounde can play CB and RB same as Azpi.
De Ligt was the main CB target, we didnt get him so we moved to KK.
Our CM are injury prone, 2 are out of contract at the end of the season so TT is looking at FDJ.
Auba is a replacement for Lukaku,
Gvardiol is a longterm replacement for T.Silva.

None of that seems scattergun.
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Of course it is. You’ve been all over the place chasing your tail.

Bluelion7 said:
So, oddly, nobody seemed to think midfield was a huge issue. I have been harping on the fragility of the midfield for more than a year. But it hasn’t been an issue.

Most people just want to discuss attackers. There is a lot of argument over Pulisic, etc.

By and large people are happy with who we HAVE signed. Most are good future building options, or people we have been in for for awhile.

It is only now that people are starting to realize the structural issue with Jorgihno, and the fact that he is overly negative, had no ability to recover or act as a shield to the backline, and is exposed when not playing alongside Kante. At least in our system.

Jorgihno is a quality player, but not as the primary 6 playing alongside players like Gallagher or RLC. He even struggles I that role paired with Kova.

It just doesn’t fit together right. RLC can’t play 2 o 3 straight games without muscle injury issues, Kante is breaking down and that won’t be improved by the World Cup and match congestion.

Playing a 3 at the back, Mount simply doesn’t fit into the team well. I think they know this, and that’s a big reason to push for a 4 3 3… but again, it fails without a true 6. Nobody seems to know where Havertz fits. Gallagher is a gung ho attacker that will be good for some great plays and also 10 bad ones ( so Tuchel playing him ….).

I think they believe with a more physically adept CB pairing (say KK and Fofana) they could get away with Jorgihno as the anchor, but I think they are wrong about that.

And more Chelsea fans are starting to notice, and are concerned. That would be the only huge complaint: if you knew there was a foundational issue that needed addressing, why not follow through with Sangare bid in June?

Chelsea fans think Declan is the person for that spot. And they are possibly right… if he was available. But I don’t know Rice would be a choice for Tuchel. He wants as close to a more physical Jorgihno as he can get. He’s overly cautious about the technical competence of certain positions. So, another area where Tuchel might be at odds with long term plans.

So waiting for Rice when it’s not realistic and we have Tuchel as coach …it’s a bad look.

But then we get back to counting on Kante being healthy, and also playing a lot if people out of position.

The issue I guess isnt who they’ve bought. Cucu is great.Sterling fits. KK can be very good for a few years, Fofana is an upgrade on Kounde for what we want long term. Kounde would have meant marrying yourself to three at the back in my mind. Pre buying Gvardiol would be fantastic if they can pull it off. I don’t live Aubamayang, but if Leao isn’t an option…

The kids are good players and options for the future (although I would have let Carney physically test Southampton’s lob ball strategy in the second half)

The big miss is completely missing reading our midfield, and only realizing it late on, I put that on Tuchel though. I count on Boehly shaking hands and signing checks with the scouting lists the previous people left behind. Tuchel should be the one to see that weakness and demand it be addressed.
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Thanks. Interesting reading your perspective!
 
jakko said:
Cucucrella was always the first choice for LWB/LCB but he wanted to join Man City so we went for Ake instead. Soon as City weren't getting Cucucrella we went in for him.
Kounde was going to be a replacement for Azpi, who is sadly finished and wanted to go to Barca. Kounde can play CB and RB same as Azpi.
De Ligt was the main CB target, we didnt get him so we moved to KK.
Our CM are injury prone, 2 are out of contract at the end of the season so TT is looking at FDJ.
Auba is a replacement for Lukaku,
Gvardiol is a longterm replacement for T.Silva.

None of that seems scattergun.
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+ Sterling replaced Werner in a like for like switch which I for one would consider an upgrade.

I've said it before and will say it again. I don't think the 'approach' itself is any significant amount more scattergun than we had previously under Marina or whatever approaches many other clubs have in place but Boehly just seems to be more open about potential targets whereas Marina tried to run a tight ship and from the club's side very little information was given to journalists until a move was all but done. Things still reached the media through agents or the other clubs involved but now information seems to reach more and more media sources from the Chelsea side of things as well so it can seem a bit more erratic even if it's really not. There is definitely an element of 'learning on the job' with Boehly as the interim DOF but nothing as drastic as has been suggested by some people.

I've been following our window very closely and I don't have many complaints about the approach so far. A few good players signed for the first team (Sterling, Koulibaly, Fofana and Cucurella) and a stop-gap striker being targeted due the forward market being quite poor at the moment. Our long term targets seem to be Christopher Nkunku of RB Leipzig and Rafael Leao of AC Milan but neither of them were available for transfer this summer so a short term fix is being targeted instead.

A late panic button seems to have been pushed regarding the midfield where the initial idea was to continue with the previous bunch, aside from Conor Gallagher coming in for Saul Niguez, and a bigger rebuild next year when the likes of Kante and Jorginho will be out of contract. Now with the midfield injury crisis we're currently seeing the club and Tuchel have thought maybe another CM/DM signing could be useful. The club could well end up making a €40-50M gamble on a midfielder who may or may not be good enough to be a long term starter but even if they're not they could still be a good squad player even if a marquee midfield signing or two is made next year.
 
The ownership change has screwed us over a bit. Hard to renew players or plan deals.

We've replaced players but paid pretty much 2-3x what players are worth in a few cases.

Tuchel has also created problems with odd management. Werner, CHO etc.

All the money spent and we've regressed. Top after 5 last year.

Tactically we look a mess. We're so blunt up front and hard to watch. Lots of futile possession.

Sooner we get a DOF the better, need have a clear football vision and identify targets for it.
 
roonster09 said:
Seriously are you new to the football? :lol:

Looks like you are and somehow think Chelsea are setting the trend. Forget other clubs, did you check how many years Kepa was signed for?
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Up til it suddenly became a huge issue (like we were radically changing the world) I didn’t pay attention to contract length until players got to be near or over 30.

If it is indeed not unusual then why do people seem to care so much we are doing 6 + 1’s? If you are right it wouldn’t be a massive departure.

I read recently in a complaint about our contracts that one of the governing bodies (FA?) had a rule against at contracts over 5 years.

Aside from fun speculation it’s not my money and I really don’t care that much. You need less coffee though. You get REAL excited when I post.
 
Is Auba the answer for you guys? I'd worry about his frame of mind after the attack, not to mention if he suits you guys stylistically.
Hope he does well, just not too well at our expense.
 
GoonerBear said:
Is Auba the answer for you guys? I'd worry about his frame of mind after the attack, not to mention if he suits you guys stylistically.
Hope he does well, just not too well at our expense.
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Tuchel knowing him well is a big positive and I'll be happy to be able to regularly post "thanks Aubama" again.
 
Bluelion7 said:
Up til it suddenly became a huge issue (like we were radically changing the world) I didn’t pay attention to contract length until players got to be near or over 30.

If it is indeed not unusual then why do people seem to care so much we are doing 6 + 1’s? If you are right it wouldn’t be a massive departure.

I read recently in a complaint about our contracts that one of the governing bodies (FA?) had a rule against at contracts over 5 years.

Aside from fun speculation it’s not my money and I really don’t care that much. You need less coffee though. You get REAL excited when I post.
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6 year contract is nothing new, Madrid did it long back and we did it even for Maguire. FA or FIFA regulation is 5 years and no one cares about that.

I don't get excited when you post, you pull so many stories out of thin air, you will get challenged (if not me, then someone else). This isn't even the first time and if I had to make a rough guess, more than 50% of your posts contains some stories that you pulled out of nothing. Then you will come up with "I was just speculating".

Just FYI, Chelsea didn't invent anything new. All the things are practiced from long back, even cooking the books. Serie A did it long back even when FFP wasn't a thing. Just that next time you are excited and tell us how players are copying Chelsea players by celebrating when they score goal, no. It's not new. It's been done for years. Also one more thing, Boehly is not sporting director or advisor for any club, he is just owner for Chelsea.
 
Auba deal looks like it’s going through. £10m + Alonso.

Assume he’s going to be one of the 300k per week club.

Tuchel has got his man!
 
GoonerBear said:
How long does a broken jaw take to heal?
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I can’t imagine it’s particularly bad if they are saying a couple of weeks.

Must be a very minor fracture. Not sure what the medical entails but if it was bad he wouldn’t be able to run or do a great deal and his jaw would be wired.
 
I'm delighted they're signing Aubameyang. Past it player who is frequently ill-disciplined got dropped as captain. Stuck on a 2 year contract too.
 
TheReligion said:
I can’t imagine it’s particularly bad if they are saying a couple of weeks.

Must be a very minor fracture. Not sure what the medical entails but if it was bad he wouldn’t be able to run or do a great deal and his jaw would be wired.
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I can see him struggling at first, then bang, he breaks his duck against us early November! So it is written. :(
 
roonster09 said:
6 year contract is nothing new, Madrid did it long back and we did it even for Maguire. FA or FIFA regulation is 5 years and no one cares about that.

I don't get excited when you post, you pull so many stories out of thin air, you will get challenged (if not me, then someone else). This isn't even the first time and if I had to make a rough guess, more than 50% of your posts contains some stories that you pulled out of nothing. Then you will come up with "I was just speculating".

Just FYI, Chelsea didn't invent anything new. All the things are practiced from long back, even cooking the books. Serie A did it long back even when FFP wasn't a thing. Just that next time you are excited and tell us how players are copying Chelsea players by celebrating when they score goal, no. It's not new. It's been done for years. Also one more thing, Boehly is not sporting director or advisor for any club, he is just owner for Chelsea.
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But I don’t pull things out of thin air. If I’m being specific I cite where to google the story or name the person I’m quoting. If it’s an opinion, I will say “I think”, if I’m purely speculating I will generally use a phrase like “I could wrong”, “ maybe in way off base” … there will be some firm of “maybe” in there.

I don’t see why this is complicated.

I’ll try one right now: I THINK that Gvardiol passing in Chelsea’s pre-buy attempt will have long reaching consequences. We will not have the same financial freedom under FFP next season, and there will be pressure for major purchases in other areas (like Nkunku …Leao). With Silva near the end, it will mean taking the leap of having to decide to trust Chalobah and Colwill, or scrambling again. So, it’s a pretty big blow.

Now I “could” end up being totally wrong.

But remember, you guys also told me I was nuts for thinking the remaining SL 3 would get together and discuss lawsuits to recoup money from all our teams, then a month later the Athletic and ESPN reported they met in Vegas to discuss just that.

You (and I mean that in the general forum base sense, not “you”) told me i was nuts 8 months ago when I said Evraz would start suing over lying about their actions to justify putting the clamps on Chelsea. Not forcing the sale, because he was already selling. Well, the first exploratory lawsuit by another Evraz board member just filed from an Australian court on 8/26.

Just two examples of when my “out of thin air” opinions were totally right….way ahead of time.

If you think I’m totally off my rocker, that’s fine.

You can even keep using the emojis, just don’t start including lots of eggplant and tongue stuff. Then it just gets weird.
 
GoonerBear said:
I can see him struggling at first, then bang, he breaks his duck against us early November! So it is written. :(
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This my worry. They say it will be healed…. But what happens when the first elbow is thrown during a corner? Even with a mask … and the ones they have for jaws …suck, there is a lot inherent danger.

My teammate in college suffered a fractured jaw in a weird incident when he dove for a header near goal. He didn’t play the rest of that season with his jaw wired shut.

if his jaw has a small hairline fracture or something and is otherwise intact … maybe ok?

It seems an odd risk for someone we are buying for “right this minute” and not the future.
 
TheReligion said:
In your opinion. It seems some of your fellow posters agree with me though.
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I unfortunately do. I considered writing something entitled Mount vs. Tuchel a few weeks ago, outlining how we may have to come to a decision between manager and current club favorite players.

But the broader scope of that is there is a disconnect there that needs fixing. When I hear Tuchel say things like “1-0 should be good ENOUGH” in interviews it does not fill me with hope certainly.

A true, competent, 6 like you got in Casemiro could have fixed those problems long enough to get our footing. But we left it way late.

Now, one area I may differ on is the purchases we DID make seem fine.

But we had the funds, and CHOSE to put off the needed help on midfield. But worse than that, in my opinion, is how we seemed to have very little plan for our current players. This looks *to me*, like more than 1 group, or multiple groups, are making decisions and have different agendas inside the building. That may be why, after initially asking them to stay, Marina and Petr had to leave.

What if they were the ones who made the inquiries into Sangare?

It’s all still very messy.

Can it be fixed? Eventually. Especially if Edwards takes the job. But they put off both midfield AND the long term forward purchase to next year. United, Arsenal, Spurs, …. West Ham even … all looking very Well placed. So we could find ourselves negotiating for those positions from outside the CL. And then the targets we were waiting on will say “no”.
 
Bluelion7 said:
But I don’t pull things out of thin air. If I’m being specific I cite where to google the story or name the person I’m quoting. If it’s an opinion, I will say “I think”, if I’m purely speculating I will generally use a phrase like “I could wrong”, “ maybe in way off base” … there will be some firm of “maybe” in there.

I don’t see why this is complicated.

I’ll try one right now: I THINK that Gvardiol passing in Chelsea’s pre-buy attempt will have long reaching consequences. We will not have the same financial freedom under FFP next season, and there will be pressure for major purchases in other areas (like Nkunku …Leao). With Silva near the end, it will mean taking the leap of having to decide to trust Chalobah and Colwill, or scrambling again. So, it’s a pretty big blow.

Now I “could” end up being totally wrong.

But remember, you guys also told me I was nuts for thinking the remaining SL 3 would get together and discuss lawsuits to recoup money from all our teams, then a month later the Athletic and ESPN reported they met in Vegas to discuss just that.

You (and I mean that in the general forum base sense, not “you”) told me i was nuts 8 months ago when I said Evraz would start suing over lying about their actions to justify putting the clamps on Chelsea. Not forcing the sale, because he was already selling. Well, the first exploratory lawsuit by another Evraz board member just filed from an Australian court on 8/26.

Just two examples of when my “out of thin air” opinions were totally right….way ahead of time.

If you think I’m totally off my rocker, that’s fine.

You can even keep using the emojis, just don’t start including lots of eggplant and tongue stuff. Then it just gets weird.
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Like how Boehly shared his pearl of wisdom to ManUtd, so that they can start spending?

You did the same in Barca thread too, @Niemans asked you for links many times and you dodged that every time and then came up with "google it". You could have posted the article link. That's anyways in the past, somehow you thinking Chelsea are some inventors is just hilarious. 5+, 6+ year contract has been done many years and now you are telling us how Chelsea showed the path again.

I used to think @GlastonSpur was the most deluded poster but at least he stocked to facts, however twisted it was.

You can add "I'm speculating" 100 times before you post, you will still get called out for insane posts.

"Im speculating, Boehly told ManUtd about FFP rules and they started spending big" fecking hell :lol:

Also I don't have to post any Eggplant and tongue, looks like you have Boehly's one already.

Btw, did Chelsea teach every club about using subs? I mean so many clubs did this game week, not sure if Tuchel showed the way for others.
 
Boehly apparently personally intervened to stop Gilmour sale after Tuchel sanctioned? Disconnect confirmed?

I would compromise and sell with a buyback. Playing at Brighton would be brilliant for him.

Has Ajax really signed that free agent DM?

roonster09 said:
Like how Boehly shared his pearl of wisdom to ManUtd, so that they can start spending?

You did the same in Barca thread too, @Niemans asked you for links many times and you dodged that every time and then came up with "google it". You could have posted the article link. That's anyways in the past, somehow you thinking Chelsea are some inventors is just hilarious. 5+, 6+ year contract has been done many years and now you are telling us how Chelsea showed the path again.

I used to think @GlastonSpur was the most deluded poster but at least he stocked to facts, however twisted it was.

You can add "I'm speculating" 100 times before you post, you will still get called out for insane posts.

"Im speculating, Boehly told ManUtd about FFP rules and they started spending big" fecking hell :lol:

Also I don't have to post any Eggplant and tongue, looks like you have Boehly's one already.

Btw, did Chelsea teach every club about using subs? I mean so many clubs did this game week, not sure if Tuchel showed the way for others.
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If you think I’m not critical of Boehly or Tuchel you have obviously been picking and choosing which posts to read. There are two on the last page or so if this thread.

And the Barca thread? I literally told him what to Google. And the name of the publications. I do not see how that’s hard to follow. As a new member and NOT European, I’m not going to take chances on the long arcane list of what can be linked as a source and what can’t. I will tell you where to find it if you are interested, complete with key words, and you can take the 30 seconds to use google. If there is some specific issue with the source I used, please feel free to tell me why it’s crap. I was very clear on my reasoning there when discussing this with Niemanns.

And everything I said on the Barca thing turned out true. They got caught in their valuations and had to pay a penalty. They lied in their math, and Laporte had to come out of his pocket just to register Kounde. They did try to take additional money from their players , and went as far as trying to deem the deferred wage contracts “criminal”. And they are on, what, lever 6? 7? (See, that, for the comprehension challenged, is the tongue n cheek tagline)

The other thing with Boehly was literally stated as pure speculation.I added it for fun after giving a very thorough and resource cited explanation about our unique situation regarding FFP this window, and how it matched EXACTLY with what I wrote on here earlier this summer (as my own take)… which several of you also laughing emoji’d. That was when I was trying to explain how we could easily hit 400 million this window if we wanted.

When I’m intentionally going out on a limb, or throwing out something “possible” for fun does not seem that difficult to discern for many of the better posters here.

They said recently that the Covid lockdowns did much to harm literacy and reading comprehension…. I’m not gonna link it though…

Use Google.
 
Bluelion7 said:
Boehly apparently personally intervened to stop Gilmour sale after Tuchel sanctioned? Disconnect confirmed?

I would compromise and sell with a buyback. Playing at Brighton would be brilliant for him.

Has Ajax really signed that free agent DM?



If you think I’m not critical of Boehly or Tuchel you have obviously been picking and choosing which posts to read. There are two on the last page or so if this thread.

And the Barca thread? I literally told him what to Google. And the name of the publications. I do not see how that’s hard to follow. As a new member and NOT European, I’m not going to take chances on the long arcane list of what can be linked as a source and what can’t. I will tell you where to find it if you are interested, complete with key words, and you can take the 30 seconds to use google. If there is some specific issue with the source I used, please feel free to tell me why it’s crap. I was very clear on my reasoning there when discussing this with Niemanns.

And everything I said on the Barca thing turned out true. They got caught in their valuations and had to pay a penalty. They lied in their math, and Laporte had to come out of his pocket just to register Kounde. They did try to take additional money from their players , and went as far as trying to deem the deferred wage contracts “criminal”. And they are on, what, lever 6? 7? (See, that, for the comprehension challenged, is the tongue n cheek tagline)

The other thing with Boehly was literally stated as pure speculation.I added it for fun after giving a very thorough and resource cited explanation about our unique situation regarding FFP this window, and how it matched EXACTLY with what I wrote on here earlier this summer (as my own take)… which several of you also laughing emoji’d. That was when I was trying to explain how we could easily hit 400 million this window if we wanted.

When I’m intentionally going out on a limb, or throwing out something “possible” for fun does not seem that difficult to discern for many of the better posters here.

They said recently that the Covid lockdowns did much to harm literacy and reading comprehension…. I’m not gonna link it though…

Use Google.
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Barcelona sold 25% of the LaLiga rights and 49% of Barça Studios. Some will say 2 levers and others 7.

Normally the one who gives the information must put the links. I don't remember the post where you told me to Google it.
 
Bluelion7 said:
Boehly apparently personally intervened to stop Gilmour sale after Tuchel sanctioned? Disconnect confirmed?

I would compromise and sell with a buyback. Playing at Brighton would be brilliant for him.
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Looks like he’s going after all, £9m. No mention of a buyback.
 
Bluelion7 said:
If you think I’m not critical of Boehly or Tuchel you have obviously been picking and choosing which posts to read.
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I don't, by sheer bad luck I stumble upon your post sometimes, when I see your name, I just scroll down by skimming the post (more often than not) as I have no interest in reading fantasy stories. Sometimes the stupidity or fantasy stories are so insane you can't help but laugh at them.

Just because you add "I'm speculating" doesn't mean people don't laugh at stupid/insane posts.

"Boehly advised ManUtd to spend because FFP rule and most BS" "Chelsea invented this 7 year contract thing and ManUtd followed it" :lol: Most deluded poster and we had plenty.
 
duffer said:
Alonso - Cookie
Christensen - Fofana
Rudi - Koulibaly
Werner - Sterling
Lukaku - Aubamayang

I can't remember evert seeing a more perfectly planned window.
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So you're saying we spent about £220m ish to go nowhere in terms of squad quality, not even taking in to account the £90m+ difference between Luk and Auba.

Doesn't seem like particularly great planning to me!
 
Bluelion7 said:
Boehly apparently personally intervened to stop Gilmour sale after Tuchel sanctioned? Disconnect confirmed?
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He does know you have 6 other CM's still, right?

I'm with you - Brighton is the perfect place for him to develop, let him go with a buy back clause.

duffer said:
Alonso - Cookie
Christensen - Fofana
Rudi - Koulibaly
Werner - Sterling
Lukaku - Aubamayang

I can't remember evert seeing a more perfectly planned window.
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A perfectly planned window where you spend £200m net and get marginally better in a couple of positions.
 
duffer said:
You don't see those changes as an overall upgrade?
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Fit Chilwell should start ahead of Cucerella, on what seen so far.
Fofana ahead of Christensen (presuming comes back from injury ok),
Rudi over Koulibaly,
Werner and Sterling pretty equal,
Lukaku and Auba pretty equal depending on how they're used tactically.

Not seeing much upgrade other than Fofana possibly.
 
Mb194dc said:
Fit Chilwell should start ahead of Cucerella, on what seen so far.
Fofana ahead of Christensen (presuming comes back from injury ok),
Rudi over Koulibaly,
Werner and Sterling pretty equal,
Lukaku and Auba pretty equal depending on how they're used tactically.

Not seeing much upgrade other than Fofana possibly.
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Sterling isn’t equal to Werner!? What!?
 
Mb194dc said:
Fit Chilwell should start ahead of Cucerella, on what seen so far.
Fofana ahead of Christensen (presuming comes back from injury ok),
Rudi over Koulibaly,
Werner and Sterling pretty equal,
Lukaku and Auba pretty equal depending on how they're used tactically.

Not seeing much upgrade other than Fofana possibly.
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You have to put Lukaku over old man Auba surely? Especially over the last 2-3 seasons.
 
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