looking at the squad on transfermrkt I was surprised to see how bloated it was with players they probably no longer want / need - Kenedy, Batshyuai and a few others and although the defence now looks like its probably sorted for next couple of seasons the centre of midfield looks weaker than I though and they still don't have a striker unless they're going to try with Broja or are looking at someone on Jan / next summer, no idea who they fancy though.
Chelsea 2022/2023 | THIS IS LAST YEARS THREAD YOU NUMPTIES
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69m mil. Nice.
With a period and a half to mix in.
7-year deal???? 
Will he be already be one of your top earners then?
Will he be already be one of your top earners then?He's not exactly what they need but if they such Newmar I'd be very jealous. Incredible footballer
7-year deal????
Nowhere near the likes of Kante, Koulibaly or Sterling. Probably 50% less than them.
Is this Fofana guy actually good? The first time I learned who he was was when I saw the Chelsea interest
He's OK. Perhaps a little too tall.
Lowering the yearly amortisation value with a longer contract is one factor but it's clear the club also just wanted to tie the player down for as long as possible because they rate him highly. He's 21 now and he's tied down till he's 28 so if he stays the full duration of his contract he'll have spent most of his prime years with us. And if he's a mega success and 2-3 years from now another elite club (ie. Barca, Real Madrid) come sniffing in for him they'll be met with a price tag they simply can't afford.
A lot of upsides to an unusually long contract but the only real downside is if he turns out a flop signing because he'll no doubt be on reasonably high wages and will be really hard to get rid if needed. Kepa also signed a 7 year contract back in 2018 and still has three years left, even though he's not been first choice keeper for more than two years now.
Under the Abramovich regime contracts over five years were pretty much unheard of, aside from the Kepa deal, but Boehly's team seem to favor a contract policy that includes longer deals. Cucurella, Chukwuemeka, Casadei and Slonina all signed for six years and there has been talk of Mount and James being offered either 6+1y contracts or even a straight up seven year deal like Fofana so it's been a big chance from the Abramovich/Marina years.
You Arsenal lot have been shouting so much shit about 'Martinelli v Fofana' based on one game that I'm actually looking forward to them meeting again. Just beware to get called out if Fofana absolutely breaks him in half.
The 7 year deal is an American thing. What generally happens is it gives them the ability to re negotiate every 3 years or so, always having longer on the contract if someone comes in to try and buy. I don’t know how they allow bonuses, salary, etc to be paid there, but here they often pick and choose one of those years to load a larger part of their contract on if they happen to have space. Or lower the impact of their contract if they run into a bad year fiscally.
if the players are young enough it should be fine. I don’t know that it makes al that big a difference from the 5 year already use. as long as the ability to renegotiate is written into the contract, which it usually is, it can benefit the player by adding more security in a larger buyout. So it isn’t necessarily just a team friendly concept.
if the players are young enough it should be fine. I don’t know that it makes al that big a difference from the 5 year already use. as long as the ability to renegotiate is written into the contract, which it usually is, it can benefit the player by adding more security in a larger buyout. So it isn’t necessarily just a team friendly concept.
Rudiger had a good season, sure, but he isn’t as good as people make him out to be. We miss his ability to drive the team forward more than his ability to defend. We still had some absolutely shit defensive performances with him and he was prone to making mistakes and getting caught out of position.
Christensen would have been replaced by Kounde but whatever happened there, happened. Alonso was always and still is deadwood. A couple of good games in his 20 seasonal appearances means jack shit.
The Werner situation is bothersome. He definitely does need replacing. We need to ship out Pulisic and Ziyech on top of that. So what we need is 4 forwards. Unfortunately that’s not going to happen.
Stop it, Ajax is our feeder club.
I'm bewared, Rnd898.You Arsenal lot have been shouting so much shit about 'Martinelli v Fofana' based on one game that I'm actually looking forward to them meeting again. Just beware to get called out if Fofana absolutely breaks him in half.
Got to feel for Ajax, they have Kudus refusing to train wanting to go to Everton and now Alvarez...
Not to mention they've already lost Antony, Martinez, Gravenberch, Haller and Mazraoui.
Not to mention they've already lost Antony, Martinez, Gravenberch, Haller and Mazraoui.
The Chelsea scattergun continues!!
Chelsea have seemed to have missed the abuse we have got this window, even when they've been way more scatter gun and are chucking money at all sorts, and anyone at times.
Doubt the fans care, new owners re investing heavily in their club, but the narratives are so different.
Doubt the fans care, new owners re investing heavily in their club, but the narratives are so different.
I’ll be surprised if they get anywhere with Ajax this late..
They (Ajax) now can spend 500 million for the transfers
The midfield option almost needs to be scattergun at this point. None of their long term targets are available, and the previous regime were at least a year late in addressing an age and injury situation that really started to come to a head last season.
Aside from that our purchases are almost all people that had been targets of the club already. I would prefer Leao, but that may just not be possible.
Gvardiol situation makes a TON of sense if they pull it off. The unique situation Chelsea finds themselves in with the ownership transfer and the final year of the old FFP cycles means they can afford to front load purchases in a way no other team can, and they should take advantage of it.
Ajax can’t sell ANOTHER player though, can they? I wouldn’t hate this purchase. As panic buys go it wouldn’t be a bad one, but it seems extreme, and Ajax should be flush with cash at this point….
Would rather try to hijack Caicedo, or go some other route. Pulling a player out of Ajax seems like it would be too complicated so late in the game.
Aside from that our purchases are almost all people that had been targets of the club already. I would prefer Leao, but that may just not be possible.
Gvardiol situation makes a TON of sense if they pull it off. The unique situation Chelsea finds themselves in with the ownership transfer and the final year of the old FFP cycles means they can afford to front load purchases in a way no other team can, and they should take advantage of it.
Ajax can’t sell ANOTHER player though, can they? I wouldn’t hate this purchase. As panic buys go it wouldn’t be a bad one, but it seems extreme, and Ajax should be flush with cash at this point….
Would rather try to hijack Caicedo, or go some other route. Pulling a player out of Ajax seems like it would be too complicated so late in the game.
They don’t have the ffp, it’s only for roma, inter, milan
Are Ajax still going for Ziyech? Could be something to haggle with
Ajax coach going to go fecking nuts
Yep that's what I'm guessing will happen if a move for Alvarez does go forward.
Ajax were about to buy Lucas Ocampos from Sevilla but that one fell through at the last minute so they've yet to find their Antony replacement and should still hold plenty of interest in Ziyech if Chelsea are willing to lower the demands a little bit.
Of course letting go of Alvarez and getting Ziyech would just switch their problem from RW to DM so they'll probably not want to do that either.
Bloody hell. Ajax have been raided hard this summer.
Ajax cant have Ziyech in the deal unless its done tonight, Dutch window ends today
Yeah, I think the only remote chance this happens is if the prior communications and channels regarding Ziyech play a role.
In which case you would see it happen very, very fast or not at all.
My money would be on not at all though. We can be “trying” a lot of things. It actually coming together is different story.
The fact that Arsenal and others were apparently in for him already may help? The optimism portion of my brain isn’t working very well after that last game.
I am also concerned/confused about forward options. If they are going to spunk huge sums anyway …just do Leao. We need immediate help. If Aubamayang really has a shattered jaw, then ….. why still be working that deal?
Now also trying for Sangare.
Are we entering the "link any DM in Europe to Chelsea within 24 hrs era"
Can’t see Ajax letting another player go? They played hard ball with us. Be a joke if Chelsea get him smoothly.
It may have already been rejected hence the Sangare move
Possibly. Time is short. They might be negotiating several of these at the same time though.
If we structure something with total cash up front we might get a taker.
The fact that we’re at least attempting to look at a DM is good. It means Tuchel has realised he cannot roll with Jorginho at the base of the midfield.
He started trying to play a 4 at the back at the start of the early preseason.
If he was set on playing the 3 then I could see thinking you could maybe get by one more year. But if he knew he wanted to play a 4 3 3….he should of known he needed a different type of midfielder.
Im pretty jealous of the Casemiro signing right about now.
So, apparently we were in for Sangare early in June, but stopped short of triggering the release clause or submitting a bid.
Seems strange to back out. Silva is a genius, and having him provide order to our evened on the pitch is great, but he is at a point where he needs a true 6 to shield him.
I have been a staunch defender of their transfer strategy having more “strategy” to it than people give credit, but this seems an obvious error. If I had to guess, one group knew we needed this, and the other group wants Declan so bad next year they said hold off?
I can just see the memes now:
*Boehly looking at a clipboard* “We have a CDM, that’s what Kante is, I checked three different FIFA editions”
…. or something to that effect.
Seems strange to back out. Silva is a genius, and having him provide order to our evened on the pitch is great, but he is at a point where he needs a true 6 to shield him.
I have been a staunch defender of their transfer strategy having more “strategy” to it than people give credit, but this seems an obvious error. If I had to guess, one group knew we needed this, and the other group wants Declan so bad next year they said hold off?
I can just see the memes now:
*Boehly looking at a clipboard* “We have a CDM, that’s what Kante is, I checked three different FIFA editions”
…. or something to that effect.
United would be getting crucified with the approach Chelsea have had this window. Scrambling for Alavez from Ajax on deadline day and then turning to Sanagre at PSV (when the player signed a new contract this very same window). Now one of the clubs mentioned for Douglas Luiz..
Genuine question. Is there any hysteria on the Chelsea forums about all this?
The Caf moans about literally everything United do (even the obviously good stuff) so wondered what the thoughts were at the Chelsea end?
Genuine question. Is there any hysteria on the Chelsea forums about all this?
The Caf moans about literally everything United do (even the obviously good stuff) so wondered what the thoughts were at the Chelsea end?
Cucucrella was always the first choice for LWB/LCB but he wanted to join Man City so we went for Ake instead. Soon as City weren't getting Cucucrella we went in for him.
Kounde was going to be a replacement for Azpi, who is sadly finished and wanted to go to Barca. Kounde can play CB and RB same as Azpi.
De Ligt was the main CB target, we didnt get him so we moved to KK.
Our CM are injury prone, 2 are out of contract at the end of the season so TT is looking at FDJ.
Auba is a replacement for Lukaku,
Gvardiol is a longterm replacement for T.Silva.
None of that seems scattergun.
They're either revolutionaries and other clubs will follow suit, or completely out of sync with the risk profile/turnover in a sport like football.
Why wasn't he what we needed?.
So, oddly, nobody seemed to think midfield was a huge issue. I have been harping on the fragility of the midfield for more than a year. But it hasn’t been an issue.
Most people just want to discuss attackers. There is a lot of argument over Pulisic, etc.
By and large people are happy with who we HAVE signed. Most are good future building options, or people we have been in for for awhile.
It is only now that people are starting to realize the structural issue with Jorgihno, and the fact that he is overly negative, had no ability to recover or act as a shield to the backline, and is exposed when not playing alongside Kante. At least in our system.
Jorgihno is a quality player, but not as the primary 6 playing alongside players like Gallagher or RLC. He even struggles I that role paired with Kova.
It just doesn’t fit together right. RLC can’t play 2 o 3 straight games without muscle injury issues, Kante is breaking down and that won’t be improved by the World Cup and match congestion.
Playing a 3 at the back, Mount simply doesn’t fit into the team well. I think they know this, and that’s a big reason to push for a 4 3 3… but again, it fails without a true 6. Nobody seems to know where Havertz fits. Gallagher is a gung ho attacker that will be good for some great plays and also 10 bad ones ( so Tuchel playing him ….).
I think they believe with a more physically adept CB pairing (say KK and Fofana) they could get away with Jorgihno as the anchor, but I think they are wrong about that.
And more Chelsea fans are starting to notice, and are concerned. That would be the only huge complaint: if you knew there was a foundational issue that needed addressing, why not follow through with Sangare bid in June?
Chelsea fans think Declan is the person for that spot. And they are possibly right… if he was available. But I don’t know Rice would be a choice for Tuchel. He wants as close to a more physical Jorgihno as he can get. He’s overly cautious about the technical competence of certain positions. So, another area where Tuchel might be at odds with long term plans.
So waiting for Rice when it’s not realistic and we have Tuchel as coach …it’s a bad look.
But then we get back to counting on Kante being healthy, and also playing a lot if people out of position.
The issue I guess isnt who they’ve bought. Cucu is great.Sterling fits. KK can be very good for a few years, Fofana is an upgrade on Kounde for what we want long term. Kounde would have meant marrying yourself to three at the back in my mind. Pre buying Gvardiol would be fantastic if they can pull it off. I don’t live Aubamayang, but if Leao isn’t an option…
The kids are good players and options for the future (although I would have let Carney physically test Southampton’s lob ball strategy in the second half)
The big miss is completely missing reading our midfield, and only realizing it late on, I put that on Tuchel though. I count on Boehly shaking hands and signing checks with the scouting lists the previous people left behind. Tuchel should be the one to see that weakness and demand it be addressed.
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