Chelsea apparently tried to get Idrissa Gueye but moved too late as he’d already given his word to Everton.
Looks like they have been looking for a midfielder but not FDJ.
Looks like they have been looking for a midfielder but not FDJ.
Chelsea 2022/2023 | THIS IS LAST YEARS THREAD YOU NUMPTIES
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Started scoring at the wrong fecking time the prick
I know the feeling.Oh please. Bigging up a hatrick against the German version of Harrogate Town after shitting on him for 2 years is classic caf
You see it
Been saying this on here for over a year but the fact that they managed to win a cup competition in recent times has caused them to be bracketed above us and alongside the really great PL teams when on the whole, they have been no better than us for the last 4 seasons. They don’t scare me at all.
Looks at L... nah that's the exception
Sadly Fofana will improve them, he's a beast. They don't have many goals in them though, they're quite similar to us actually in terms of strengths and weaknesses right now.
I don't know many fans who were tongue deep in Marina's you know what. It's more than just that, it's also signing Morata, Barkley, Zappacosta, Werner, Pulisic & Ziyech. As well as getting rid of Tomori, Ake, Guehi and lowballing Christensen & Rudiger when their contracts were up so we are forced into spending over £100m on centre backs because she didn't want to give them each a £5m annual salary increase.
6 goals in 5 games. Really struggling upfront, and not even doing that well at the back.
They have no rhythm or style. Todd just signing players and saying here Thomas make it work.
If Unite and Liverpool win tomorrow Chelsea will be the bottom top 6 side.
They are actually my pick for 6th place this year
They have no rhythm or style. Todd just signing players and saying here Thomas make it work.
If Unite and Liverpool win tomorrow Chelsea will be the bottom top 6 side.
They are actually my pick for 6th place this year
Wasn't that more an opposition fans narrative?
Like Liverpool they're dealing with a bunch of key injuries and absences so I'm not writing them off at all. It's a long season.
They have obvious issues in attack but that's been the case throughout Tuchel's time. I think the biggest outstanding issue currently is whether or not they can become a dominant team in midfield again. Being able to select 2 of the Kante/Jorginho/Kovacic trio every match and have an elite, veteran central midfield pairing to help control and dictate matches has been the cornerstone of their success in the Tuchel era. They haven't been able to do that due to injury this season and its shown. But its not clear to me whether those guys will ever really get back to the same level. Jorginho looks a shadow of the player he was 12-18 months ago and Kante seems only capable of hitting the heights in limited spells, even when healthy. Their plan has clearly been to squeeze one more season out of these players before a Rice-centric midfield rebuild next summer and its an open question whether that is really possible.
They have obvious issues in attack but that's been the case throughout Tuchel's time. I think the biggest outstanding issue currently is whether or not they can become a dominant team in midfield again. Being able to select 2 of the Kante/Jorginho/Kovacic trio every match and have an elite, veteran central midfield pairing to help control and dictate matches has been the cornerstone of their success in the Tuchel era. They haven't been able to do that due to injury this season and its shown. But its not clear to me whether those guys will ever really get back to the same level. Jorginho looks a shadow of the player he was 12-18 months ago and Kante seems only capable of hitting the heights in limited spells, even when healthy. Their plan has clearly been to squeeze one more season out of these players before a Rice-centric midfield rebuild next summer and its an open question whether that is really possible.
Scandalous that they’ve let go of Tomori, Ake, Guehi and are now splashing millions on new centre backs. They also have Chalobah who was great last season but not sure where he is this season.
Chelsea and Tuchel are a weird story in the making. He had an incredible impact when he came but while their defence and control of games massively their attack has always been a problem under him. Initially you could say that he hasn't signed anyone. Until he spend a fortune on Lukaku. This summer Chelsea have gone bonkers after losing important players on the cheap (not sure why) and seemingly keep signing players who won't help them score more (Sterling to an extent). While with defensive outgoings they did newd to add CBs, it feels like they're over compensating there and ignoring the attack.
I'm not sure how transfers are now being handled at Chelsea. If this transfer activity is green lit by Tuchel you have to question his judgment in spending this much money and still struggling to get an attack going while also failing to maintain the defensive structure. If Bohley is fecking about then Chelsea are in even bigger trouble. It also goes to show important the work by those above the manager is in modern football. Although many of us didn't like the way Abrahmovic bought success at Chelsea his absence may be felt now as maybe he was an important glue that held them together.
I'm not sure how transfers are now being handled at Chelsea. If this transfer activity is green lit by Tuchel you have to question his judgment in spending this much money and still struggling to get an attack going while also failing to maintain the defensive structure. If Bohley is fecking about then Chelsea are in even bigger trouble. It also goes to show important the work by those above the manager is in modern football. Although many of us didn't like the way Abrahmovic bought success at Chelsea his absence may be felt now as maybe he was an important glue that held them together.
Had they been a bit more clever and held on to some of those they could have spent all this silly money on building a new attack.
Seems as if Tuchel needs that defensive wall he had for the first portion of his reign but has lost it since. Now he’s trying to spend his way back to it which isn’t working.
The EPL is a strange league. Back 5 formations seem to do well initially but the league finds them out which leaves the team flat and unable to progress the ball forward. It’s as if the league forgets how to counter it and suddenly remembers even though they’ve successfully counteracted it before
Chelsea need the window to close so their owner stops buying random shite.
I'm enjoying it! They're far from convincing or stable on or off the pitch.
What random shite? He’s either buying players TT wants or players Neil Bath wants for the academy.
Managers want everyone, that's the problem.
He’s basically replacing players who wanted to leave. Cucurella replaced Alonso. Sterling replaced Werner. KK replaced Rudiger, fofana replaces Christensen, Gallagher has replaced Saul.
That's one thing I don't quite get regarding the criticism of our transfers. OK, if people the new players are shit then fair enough but I keep seeing phrases like "scattergun" which seems to be the total opposite of what is happening. We're quite obviously directly replacing the players who either left on a free or were not good enough.
They are no threat upfront. Need two strikers/forwards to bring balance in the team.
The scattergun accusation is fair one to me, mostly because of how they have targeted the replacements for the outgoings - First it was De Ligt, then it was Kounde, then move on to Koulibaly. Then they wanted Ake, before getting Fofana while they still seem to want Gvardiol. None of this strikes me as a recruitment department working to any sort of coherent plan.
Made to look amateurish during the Raphinha chase too.
I'm still hoping they will take ronaldo. Probably the only club silly enough to pay him what we are paying him.
Even a loan with them paying his wages I'd take that.
Even a loan with them paying his wages I'd take that.
So if you don't get your first choices it's "scattergun"? We lost out on those targets to Bayern and Barca, not a huge surprise at all.
Gvardiol is a long term replacement for Silva.
It's the opposite of scattergun. As I said, you might think our signing are bad but there's clearly a plan for signing all of them.
They went from Kounde to De Ligt then back to Kounde! Then it was Raphinha which is fair enough but lost out on him so went for a Wingback from Brighton instead. Then the owners want Ronaldo which Tuchel vetoes only for them to go after a worse version of Ronaldo in Aubameyang as a panic measure as the window closes. That’s after realising their midfield needs reinforcements so randomly stepped in for FDJ only not to get him and not buy a midfielder after the rejection.
My problem with their scattergun approach is they seem to identify where to strengthen, fail to get that player then move on to different positions or widely choose a different player with different characteristics than who they were after in the first place.
Usually proper recruitment operations have the player locked in before making the move with the club in the first place. In saying that, if the top target is missed then I would be more encouraged to see the club then looking at someone else in the same mould as the top target, instead of just going for the next highest profile option.
Gvardiol is much more suited to playing on the left of a back three from what I have seen of him, not Silva's position. Would guess Koulibaly would take over the centre.
I don't think the signings are bad players, but I just don't think the recruitment from Chelsea has shown that there is a plan or vision that the club is working towards. It has felt similar to how United have dealt with their transfer business in recent years.
That's just simply not true. That 'cup competition' you say was the CL. They reached two cup finals last year too and were a penalty kick away from winning. We were nowhere near competing for anything last season!
We needed to replace Werner, Christensen, Rudiger and Alonso. We signed Sterling, Fofana, Koulibaly and Cookie.
If that's transfers without a plan then it's a pretty incredible coincidence.
Taking the context completely out of the business is a wise move.
Anyway, we will see how well the summer has worked out during the season and beyond I suppose.
We play in the same league every week, and over four years, they have not performed better than us. Cup competitions are not the best metric to compare two league rivals. They won the CL when they finished 6th in the league before. We’ve finished above them 3 times in the last 5 years, and on the two times they finished above us, they were never for a moment in any sort of title race.
Any investor would be happy if 60% of his investments are hits. I’m paraphrasing Charlie Munger, but the same logic applies.
Would be utter foolish to write Chelsea off, they have too many good players, much more money to buy more, and a top coach, to do that.
Interested to know from the Chelsea fans what they see is the issues right now? Is it just the injuries, is it a bit deeper than that?
Interested to know from the Chelsea fans what they see is the issues right now? Is it just the injuries, is it a bit deeper than that?
Unbalanced squad and some unhappy players. Yes we have injuries but we continue to turn to Ziyech and Pulisic to change games and they don’t even want to be here. They are not going to make any effort whatsoever. Then there’s the striker problem, we don’t have one. If we sort those 2 issues I think we will be ok but it’s late in the window and it looks like it’ll be our annual year to struggle for results. That being said, on the bright side we are future proofing ourselves with some of our buys which I’m rather pleased about.
7 year contract is unusual.
Amortisation for FFP.
They need a striker to finish in the top four. They are the only big team that haven't replaced a top striker for over five years now. That's rare for a top team in the Premier League. Sterling alone isn't enough to cover for all the goals from Werner, Ziyech, Alonso, Pulisic, Mount, Havertz and Lukaku - players who have either left (leaving) or dropped off from previous years.
I don't think they'll finish higher than us unless they are able to sell Alonso + Azpilicueta + Pulisic and get someone like Zaha.
I don't think they'll finish higher than us unless they are able to sell Alonso + Azpilicueta + Pulisic and get someone like Zaha.
If they get Aubemyang in and shift Havertz back out wide that should help them.
But I think they should've gone for someone like Zaha instead of Sterling - someone that can run with the ball and beat a man, because other than Reece James everyone else is so static and just wait around for the ball to come to them. Sterling tried to beat a man a few times last night and failed each time.
They also badly need a midfielder that can actually make something happen.
Their issue this summer is they've spent £180m on Sterling, Fofana and Cucurella when they've not really improved on just keeping Werner, Alonso and one of Rudiger / Christensen. Could've gotten two or three excellent players in positions they actually needed instead.
But I think they should've gone for someone like Zaha instead of Sterling - someone that can run with the ball and beat a man, because other than Reece James everyone else is so static and just wait around for the ball to come to them. Sterling tried to beat a man a few times last night and failed each time.
They also badly need a midfielder that can actually make something happen.
Their issue this summer is they've spent £180m on Sterling, Fofana and Cucurella when they've not really improved on just keeping Werner, Alonso and one of Rudiger / Christensen. Could've gotten two or three excellent players in positions they actually needed instead.
Oh great, Martinelli gets to face him thrice.
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