Chelsea 2022/2023 | THIS IS LAST YEARS THREAD YOU NUMPTIES

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Donaldo said:
But if they want away and are bad......? I'm not sure how this logic computes
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Because the eleven who started the game had one player who Chelsea fans say wants away and they were just as bad as when they subbed more want away players on.
The excuse does not compute since wanting away or staying seems to have little impact on either camps performance
 
cyberman said:
Because the eleven who started the game had one player who Chelsea fans say wants away and they were just as bad as when they subbed more want away players on.
The excuse does not compute since wanting away or staying seems to have little impact on either camps performance
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There’s no real excuse for being just plain shit. That being said, I don’t think our summer preparation has been great. We are definitely miles behind other clubs for fitness.

Definitely not going to panic. Predict our season will start very slowly but we will come good in the end. Preseason has never been a metric for how a season will go.
 
SirReginald said:
There’s no real excuse for being just plain shit. That being said, I don’t think our summer preparation has been great. We are definitely miles behind other clubs for fitness.

Definitely not going to panic. Predict our season will start very slowly but we will come good in the end. Preseason has never been a metric for how a season will go.
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You're top 4 material still. However, it depends on if Tuchel stays.
 
cyberman said:
Because the eleven who started the game had one player who Chelsea fans say wants away and they were just as bad as when they subbed more want away players on.
The excuse does not compute since wanting away or staying seems to have little impact on either camps performance
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Surely Tuchel meant that having want-away players and lots of uncertainty over transfer dealings, both incoming and outgoing, can dampen the mood of the whole team and have a negative effect on the overall atmosphere at the training camp. If certain players, especially when one of them is the club captain, start giving only 90% effort and just going through the motions it can very quickly turn into a slippery slope and affect some of the other players too. It probably shouldn't affect it that much but it can still happen and it's at least partially Tuchel's own fault as well because he's the leader and should probably have realized sooner if there's a problem and try to do more to correct it.

No matter how bad and frustrating the performance was I'm quite sure he wasn't talking about last night's game in isolation but rather about the bigger picture.

Trust me, I've played enough FM in my life to know how one player bitching about something can all of a sudden turn into a huge squad morale problem. :lol:
 
Rnd898 said:
For all the good she did for the club in many ways, in some cases Marina was definitely too stubborn. The likes of Rahman, Batshuayi and Bakayoko would all have been long gone from the club's books had they not signed contract extensions before some of their loans.

If there wasn't a market for a loan army player with little time remaining on their contract, Marina often thought it was a good idea to get them signed on another 1-2 year extension to 'protect the value of the asset' in hopes that they go on to have a successful loan and can be sold for money the next year. With players like Batshuayi, Bakayoko and Rahman many clubs have been happy to give them a tryout with a one year loan deal but surely it's been made crystal clear years ago that there isn't a single club out there willing to invest multi-million fees to sign them on long-term contracts. Because they are players of Chelsea, their salaries are probably too much for the kind of clubs that match their skill level so that doesn't help either.

This kind of approach will probably change now that Marina is gone. Then there's also the new loan regulations to consider that limit the number of loans for non-youth players, not that Chelsea have any problems meeting the new rules even now though.
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Jesus that sounds familiar. I always assumed Chelsea were getting paid fees for the massive amounts they had out on loan and were recouping the money that way instead.

They really were terrible last night, but I don't think they'll struggle too much come the start of the season. No chance of challenging for the title, but I don't think anyone outside City has this season really with Liverpool losing Mane. Top 4 is going to be a scrap with Arsenal and Spurs both improving and United looking to be playing better football, albeit in pre-season
 
P-Nut said:
Jesus that sounds familiar. I always assumed Chelsea were getting paid fees for the massive amounts they had out on loan and were recouping the money that way instead.
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Oh there have definitely been loan fees involved for most players in the loan army, in some cases even significant amounts like Bakayoko whose loan fees have totaled around £15M so a few mil for each loan. Not enough to fully re-coup what was originally paid but some money is better than no money.

But I still think signing those contract extensions for the deadwood players was a terrible idea by Marina. Who's ever going to buy them on a permanent deal when they know they can just sign them on loan instead? Marina was banking on one of the loans to be good enough to attract more buyers but it hasn't happened yet.
 
I have a feeling that Tuchel wont be the Chelsea-manager by the start of the next season. Not because I expect Chelsea to have an awful season, I just don't think they will improve much in terms of points or overall play - and maybe the new owner will come with more patience than Roman ever had - but I am not convinced.
 
The Dodgers have had the same manager for six years, which is an eternity for Major League baseball. People might say that Boehly is a minority owner and does not make that decision, but it is important to note that the majority owners of the Dodgers are also the majority owners of Chelsea now. I think they will have a similar approach with Chelsea. The only aspects they are impatient with is players. If a player is not performing or the player is toxic to the team, they are sent off. They really try to build a team moving toward one direction, winning titles. Now if Tuchel ever tries to pull the complaining with the press about the owners the way he did at PSG, he will be sacked rather quickly.
 
Zaphod2319 said:
The Dodgers have had the same manager for six years, which is an eternity for Major League baseball. People might say that Boehly is a minority owner and does not make that decision, but it is important to note that the majority owners of the Dodgers are also the majority owners of Chelsea now. I think they will have a similar approach with Chelsea. The only aspects they are impatient with is players. If a player is not performing or the player is toxic to the team, they are sent off. They really try to build a team moving toward one direction, winning titles. Now if Tuchel ever tries to pull the complaining with the press about the owners the way he did at PSG, he will be sacked rather quickly.
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I think you need to stop drawing comparisons to his American franchises. It’s entirely different
 
cyberman said:
I think you need to stop drawing comparisons to his American franchises. It’s entirely different
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All the people making the decisions are the same people and people are usually very consistent with their approach. We will see how it all plays out.
 
Zaphod2319 said:
All the people making the decisions are the same people and people are usually very consistent with their approach. We will see how it all plays out.
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You can afford to be patient in American sports since the franchises available for players is so small. They don’t have 3/4 leagues full of clubs ready to take your transfer targets or have such a wide pool to choose from to overtake you like what Arsenal and Spurs are set to do.
It’s just weird. We were told he was into signing galatico signings and would go big in the market yet it’s Sterling and an older defender from Serie A.
Football at the highest level is the most cut throat sport in the world imo
 
cyberman said:
You can afford to be patient in American sports since the franchises available for players is so small. They don’t have 3/4 leagues full of clubs ready to take your transfer targets or have such a wide pool to choose from to overtake you like what Arsenal and Spurs are set to do.
It’s just weird. We were told he was into signing galatico signings and would go big in the market yet it’s Sterling and an older defender from Serie A.
Football at the highest level is the most cut throat sport in the world imo
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K2 is much more than you just described and was impressive for the small time on the field. I think Boehly will be aggressive in the transfer market. He stepped into a pretty bad situation and has been aggressive. He is learning fast you need a DoF that cultivates players coming throughout the year and also can move players out. These owners that have billions invested are going to handle the business the way they think it will be successful. Especially owners that have had success in other sports. It will take a few years for the new owners of Chelsea to implement their plans for the team. They do not seem as knee jerk as Roman was, and at the same time they have shown if they think a player or coach/administrator is not helping the team, they will remove them.
Boehly has said he wants Tuchel making the picks for players this window. I hope we have a DoF doing that after this window as it looks like it is very needed.
 
Don't Chelsea play Spurs early on in the campaign? The Harry Kane team has looked sharp in pre season, especially the man himself. Chelsea have looked a bit flat from what I have seen, being smashed4-0 by Arsenal probably has not helped.
 
Rnd898 said:
Surely Tuchel meant that having want-away players and lots of uncertainty over transfer dealings, both incoming and outgoing, can dampen the mood of the whole team and have a negative effect on the overall atmosphere at the training camp. If certain players, especially when one of them is the club captain, start giving only 90% effort and just going through the motions it can very quickly turn into a slippery slope and affect some of the other players too. It probably shouldn't affect it that much but it can still happen and it's at least partially Tuchel's own fault as well because he's the leader and should probably have realized sooner if there's a problem and try to do more to correct it.

No matter how bad and frustrating the performance was I'm quite sure he wasn't talking about last night's game in isolation but rather about the bigger picture.

Trust me, I've played enough FM in my life to know how one player bitching about something can all of a sudden turn into a huge squad morale problem. :lol:
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Chelsea had a big change in management, and a new director of sport. There will be a teething period and can't put all the blame on Tuchel. He is only a head coach.
 
Sounds like trouble in paradise at the moment, Tuchel's most recent comments are pretty damning. I wonder if they might drop out of the top 4? I'd still peg them to finish above United, mind.
 
Got a bit of stick here from Chelsea fans for saying I thought Tuchel might be losing it somewhat. By “losing it” I mean I think he’s becoming a much more conservative coach. Even if Chelsea’s best youngsters are out on loan and he can’t play them, he seems to target established players and even in preseason has been putting want-away and rubbish players (Barkley/ Kennedy) ahead of younger ones.

He was really creative when he first joined Chelsea and had to work with the existing squad but I get the feeling he loses the plot when it comes to transfers. He fell out with Dortmund over transfers and started to be much more conservative tactically when he was at PSG (and there were lots of transfers). Maybe he’s a better coach when he has to be more resourceful. He seems to lose it whenever a transfer window comes around. I think he’d like people to think Lukaku was a club signing, but that’s not how it was made out at the time.
 
AltiUn said:
Sounds like trouble in paradise at the moment, Tuchel's most recent comments are pretty damning. I wonder if they might drop out of the top 4? I'd still peg them to finish above United, mind.
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Sounds that way but really isn't. The defense and midfield options will be up there with the best in Europe. The attack is better for a) having Sterling and b) not having to try to integrate the mismatch that was Lukaku. The rotation options (Gallagher, Emerson, Ampadu etc) will also be better than they were last season. Lastly, the main reason for the drop-off after being top of the league in December and the big gap last season, was a most unusual injury record. That shouldn't happen again.

But there are a ton of changes already and more to come with playing and non-playing staff. It's just going to be about how long it takes things to settle.
 
Listening to Darren Lewis on talksport, not his biggest fan at all, think he goes way over the top everytime Spurs win. But in reference to TT saying players are here who are looking at options and want to leave, Lewis is insistent they are Azpi, Alonso, Werner, Ziyech and Pulisic. Apart from Azpi, dont think id be sad to see any of those go. Although i do think a consistent on form Pulisic is v good
 
I just hope with TT wanting a handful of even more signings, we dont panic as we have done in the past.

Can already see next weeks reports. Kounde goes Barca and within 24hrs itll be back to Kimpembe and then Skriniar. Then Pau Torres.
 
ZolaWasMagic said:
Listening to Darren Lewis on talksport, not his biggest fan at all, think he goes way over the top everytime Spurs win. But in reference to TT saying players are here who are looking at options and want to leave, Lewis is insistent they are Azpi, Alonso, Werner, Ziyech and Pulisic. Apart from Azpi, dont think id be sad to see any of those go. Although i do think a consistent on form Pulisic is v good
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I think if Pulisic wanted to leave, his father would make some calls or start talking to the press. Also use his friends around the USMNT to get it in the media. I think Pulisic is being honest when he says he wants to be here and fight for his minutes.

Or he is saying the right things and hoping for Juventus to come up get him?
 
ZolaWasMagic said:
Listening to Darren Lewis on talksport, not his biggest fan at all, think he goes way over the top everytime Spurs win. But in reference to TT saying players are here who are looking at options and want to leave, Lewis is insistent they are Azpi, Alonso, Werner, Ziyech and Pulisic. Apart from Azpi, dont think id be sad to see any of those go. Although i do think a consistent on form Pulisic is v good
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Darren's a Liverpool supporter.
 
I kind of get where Tuchel is coming from, it's pretty obvious he doesn't fancy quite a few of the current squad but all the upheaval with Roman/ sanctions / the sale has obviously thrown a bit of a spanner in the works in terms of quickly addressing the issues.

Sure they've signed Sterling (think he will do well) and good Koulibaly but they need some at another CB and I would have liked to see some investment in the fullback positions, a new CF and a midfielder if I was a Chelsea fan.

It will be interesting to see if some of the Academy lads can step up because I honestly think they are further away from the top than they were at this time last year.
 
If We don’t add more a TON will depend on injuries and how much depth will come into play

If I am walking out a starting 11 of Chilwell, Koulibaly, Silva, James, Kante, kovacic, mount, havertz, sterling, Werner for example … or switch it around with a back 3 … aside from the lack of an obvious striker we have a very solid team. We aren’t throwing out that sort of lineup in preseason the way teams like Arsenal are.

But if we have any sort of injury or fatigue issues, or we let some disgruntled people put oil in the water … then there could be trouble.

If I were Boehly I’d make the Kounde deal cost more if Barca wants to win it that bad, I’d buy Kimpembe or Torres (not both), id come in with a BIG offer for Gvardiol and the kid from AC Milan they really like. Get Colwill and Broja to stay and move the headcases along.

Also, I would feel for United fans, but if there was an opportunity to pounce on de Jong I’d take it.
 
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Will be interesting to see how Chelsea will address attacking issues.
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I hear what he's saying, but if that is case, why is he sending home players that are dying to impress and get into the team and keeping around players who are actively looking to leave? I think we know the players he's on about but what waste preseason minutes on players that have/are a) been on about 7 preseason tours now and never impressed and likely won't be in the team when season starts and b) are no longer interested in playing for Chelsea?

Tuchel has always said he enjoys his life when he's left to do the coaching and this scouting, squad building stuff is left to the club. He seems a bit more stressed and moody now that he's been tasked with all these extra responsibilities.
 
Bad preseasons happen. There's been times we've failed to win a single game, losing badly in some but once the season started we've been ready to go and ended up winning the title. Other times we've looked razor sharp in preseason but started the season sluggish and won nothing that season. It's hardly ideal watching us get battered by Arsenal, and in general no look good at all this season preseason but we'll see what the team looks like when the season starts.
 
WeePat said:
I hear what he's saying, but if that is case, why is he sending home players that are dying to impress and get into the team and keeping around players who are actively looking to leave? I think we know the players he's on about but what waste preseason minutes on players that have/are a) been on about 7 preseason tours now and never impressed and likely won't be in the team when season starts and b) are no longer interested in playing for Chelsea?

Tuchel has always said he enjoys his life when he's left to do the coaching and this scouting, squad building stuff is left to the club. He seems a bit more stressed and moody now that he's been tasked with all these extra responsibilities.
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He's also a bit of an abrasive personality. The whole Lukaku thing last season was mostly Lukaku's fault, but a different manager may have handled it more tactfully.
 
TheReligion said:
@WeePat @TheMagicFoolBus and anyone else.

Those comments are bad. Like really bad. Who is he referring to do you think specifically? He doesn’t sound happy at all and to call out he teams commitment in pre season is really weird. Is there something going on behind the scenes getting mentioned in Chelsea circles?

A number of players wanting to leave that he’s having to include in his pre season is a mess.
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Consensus seems to be Werner, Pulisic, Azpilicueta, and Alonso. Maybe Ziyech as well.
 
Skills said:
He's also a bit of an abrasive personality. The whole Lukaku thing last season was mostly Lukaku's fault, but a different manager may have handled it more tactfully.
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I don't know, I think he handled that the way I wanted him to. I hear you on the abrasive personality thing. He was fine when he could just keep his head down and focus on coaching the team. He had a good relationship with Marina and Cech because they would just ask for his input every now and again, but mostly just left him alone to coach the team. He cut his holidays short this summer because he was suddenly required to masquerade as a poor man's sporting director. It's literally just him and Boehly tag teaming their way through this window.
 
WeePat said:
I hear what he's saying, but if that is case, why is he sending home players that are dying to impress and get into the team and keeping around players who are actively looking to leave? I think we know the players he's on about but what waste preseason minutes on players that have/are a) been on about 7 preseason tours now and never impressed and likely won't be in the team when season starts and b) are no longer interested in playing for Chelsea?

Tuchel has always said he enjoys his life when he's left to do the coaching and this scouting, squad building stuff is left to the club. He seems a bit more stressed and moody now that he's been tasked with all these extra responsibilities.
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Yeah, transfers and coaching is too much for one man to handle. Also IIRC he was very straightforward with Werner too, saying it's players duty to defend his position, something like that.
 
WeePat said:
I don't know, I think he handled that the way I wanted him to. I hear you on the abrasive personality thing. He was fine when he could just keep his head down and focus on coaching the team. He had a good relationship with Marina and Cech because they would just ask for his input every now and again, but mostly just left him alone to coach the team. He cut his holidays short this summer because he was suddenly required to masquerade as a poor man's sporting director. It's literally just him and Boehly tag teaming their way through this window.
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Seems very short sighted of Boehly to buy the club and not bring anyone in right now to help this summer.
 
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