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Seriously mate sometimes it is better to stay silent or say that mistakes happen. No clear error???? FFS
Champions League Quarter Finals (3rd - 11th April)
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Seriously mate sometimes it is better to stay silent or say that mistakes happen. No clear error???? FFS
agree with you but easier said than done in those circumstances and after another frustrating game in Turin last week where all decisions went one way
Was wondering what the hell he was doing there late on.
If no one told him,it's RM's fault. Ignorance of the rules is not an excuse.
Real is always in referees favour in UCL. Same story for Bayern-Real. Just remember last years semi final, it was scandalous.
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I wanted Juve to win for onbvious reasons but was relieved in a way. The risk of Liverpool meeting them or Roma in a neutral city was not a pleasant one and surely trouble was on the cards as we have history with these clubs .
I loathe Madrid more than anybody but how is this ban worthy? I missed the days when all suspension meant was you couldn't play.
Hilarious. Doesn't even set foot on the pitch and still gets himself suspended. Never change, Ramos, never change.
Bayern never reached the semi finals last year.
Could you explain why Ribery wasn't sent off in the CL final of 2013 against Dortmund despite lashing out with his elbow in full view of the ref? Or why Boateng didn't get a second yellow? we all know the answer btw.
And also, if refs are in Real's pocket, then why have they never got passed the second round stage between 2005 and 2010? what happened to your conspiracy?
That 98 final was obviously offside but some of these examples are really pathetic. Bringing an incident from the group stage of years ago, really? You think there aren't tens of similar incidents for and against every team that's played long enough in the CL?
Cuadrado incident in the final was a 2nd yellow (not a direct red) and it was for putting his feet on Ramos' toe, the view shows only the upper body which is misleading, plus it was in 84th minute when the match was already 4-1, you can't be serious. It was as an irrelevant as it can get.
And you didn't mention in the 1st leg in Turin where Asamoah elbows Carvajal in the box, that was a clear penalty and red. Or Ramos making your average foul in the 2nd leg but get booked due to Juve players' protesting, leading to him missing the 2nd leg and making things much easier for you.
How is not a Penalty?!?? Benatia pushes him clearly from behind, he pulls a kick on the sternum, even in the post-game he also admits that it is a penalty. I am not authorized to post image or video... but you can find them on the net, everything is very clear.
Bayern's 2nd goal was offside (Muller passes the ball with his chest to Lewa who is in an offside position, and later results in an OG)
Vidal should've seen red like 40 minutes before that (can't embed media but search Vidal hits Kroos on the head) and he was already on a yellow from 8th minute. So the ref favored them for sending him off just 4 minutes till full-time.
Not to mention the most blatant non-penalty in the 1st leg for Bayern where the ball isn't even close to Carvajal's hands.
Their penalty in the 2nd leg (1st goal) on Robben was super-soft as well, way softer than what happened last night.
All in all if those incidents hadn't happened due to the help of the ref, Bayern had no business in going to the extra time and concede another 3, 2 of which were offside.
For me the soft penalty is not a scandal, eventually it is that in the other box it would not have been allowed as we saw in the first leg.
In the end it was a bitter ending to a wonderful night. I must say I am very disappointed in Ronaldo, great player but very little man with no fair play.
I was among those who tributed him a standing ovation last week,but seeing him always diving and trying to cheat the referee to get a penalty in the last half hour was shameful and taints his stature as one of the greatest of this sport. Messi does not behave that way, nor did Van Basten or Del Piero or Zidane.
In the end it was a bitter ending to a wonderful night. I must say I am very disappointed in Ronaldo, great player but very little man with no fair play.
I was among those who tributed him a standing ovation last week,but seeing him always diving and trying to cheat the referee to get a penalty in the last half hour was shameful and taints his stature as one of the greatest of this sport. Messi does not behave that way, nor did Van Basten or Del Piero or Zidane.
That's right. People actually want a blatant penalty to be chalked off simply because they hate Madrid. It's just pathetic.
If they want to see real examples of bad refereeing they can check out the catastrophe of Chelsea vs Barca in 2009, or when Van Persie was sent off against Barca. Or when Inter went down to 10 men against Barca for no reason other than Busquet's play acting. Many more examples can be given. Remember this was a celebrated team that is considered the greatest of ALL time.
Other examples of bad decisions can be given for any other team as well like Juve (who should have had Barzagli sent off just in the last round vs Spurs for his assault on Son) and also Bayern obviously who had countless big decisions in their favour.
Getting refeere'd late @ Bernabeu is quite common, i still have not been able to digest what happend to us last year. Maybe is was a penalty, i don't think so and i highly doubt it would have been given to Juve at that stage of the game, too me it looked like too much of a dive, oh well.
They are used to it. Cheryshev
I see you didn't read my post. Who said it was a stonewall penalty? Also, you and others may think it wasn't a penalty but some (like this referee: http://www.espn.com/soccer/uefa-cha...cant-blame-referee-oliver-for-madrid-meltdown) think it was. But I guess you and your so-called experts are absolute and all-knowing. Secondly, not sure why you would think that the match at Turin would have any bearing on Oliver's (or any other referee for that matter) performance/decision in Madrid. If there were mistakes/biases in the first leg, are referees supposed to grant freebies in the following match? You are being blindly biased and irrational.
Everyone talks about the pen decision. But Benatia had a nasty challenge on Modric in the first half that was not penalized with a yellow.
Then he had 2-3 other tackles(one of them being a clear yellow), and was booked at the 4th one if I remember correctly. If the first tackle on Modric would've been a yellow(and it clearly was), he would've been off earlier than the penalty decision.
In regards to the penalty, Benatia had an awkward position and the RM player was going to score. He pushed him forward and then tried to kick the ball around the player. The kick was not a pen but the push obviously is. Most people reacted negatively because Juve played a great game and deserved to go to ET, but a foul is a foul, it doesn't depend on the minute it's done or the whole game context, otherwise you can't speak about refs consistency anymore.
Then he had 2-3 other tackles(one of them being a clear yellow), and was booked at the 4th one if I remember correctly. If the first tackle on Modric would've been a yellow(and it clearly was), he would've been off earlier than the penalty decision.
In regards to the penalty, Benatia had an awkward position and the RM player was going to score. He pushed him forward and then tried to kick the ball around the player. The kick was not a pen but the push obviously is. Most people reacted negatively because Juve played a great game and deserved to go to ET, but a foul is a foul, it doesn't depend on the minute it's done or the whole game context, otherwise you can't speak about refs consistency anymore.
Maybe it is you the one who is not reading posts and behave like a know it all. First of all I was making reference to several posts in the thread that defined it as a stonewall penalty not to yours in particular. Secondly there are plenty of former referees including many Spanish ones that have said it was not a penalty and especially it was never a penalty to be given at 93rd deciding the tie.
Having said that I also said if you had bothered to read instead of entering your lecturing mode, that in my opinion it was a soft one but it was not a scandal to give it. The scandal is that the same penalty would not have been given in Real box and I do not need to go far in history to Mjatovic's offside goal or Chiellini red card after Ronaldo's simulation to support that, just one week ago in Turin a much clearer penalty on Cuadrado was not awarded. Just one week ago Dybala was jellow carded for simulation and then red carded after a foul that was right but involuntary, while yesterday Ronaldo has been allowed to dive looking for a penalty several times without a card and so on the list is endless.
The first leg match should not have had any bearing on yesterday's other than using the same meter for both teams and I never said otherwise, but given the precedents they should have sent a better referee with more personality aware of what is going on and that if you give a soft decisive penalty at the 94th minute of a tie you can expect some level of over the top emotional protest and if you are a man you defuse the situation you do not add insult to injury, besides if that was a penalty he should have red carded Benatia, but clearly it was a game to big for this moron.
I am not the one to cry over referees and referees with weak personality that are subject to the strongest club pressure is a fact of life, Juve has to regret several mistakes made in the first game despite playing a far better game that the score tells, but at the very least I would not expect to read that a clearly controversial decision was nothing.
Opponents in the Bernabeu simply need to stop doing stuff in their own box that force the ref to make a decision. Sometimes it really is just better to gamble on bad finishing or a keeper save. Or just stand off the player instead of tackling him, maybe he'll hit you instead of the target.
I get the preference for Roma, but why Bayern ahead of Real?
Something is fishy with Refs and Madrid. I mean no matter what, the Ref always sides with Madrid or Barca
The penalty given to Bayern or Vidal getting sent off a long time after he should have gone?
Just joking, it was just poor refereeing all round
Also, it's Uefalona who always gets favored.
Option 4 should be open war occurs in Europe so the CL has to be cancelled. Preferable to pool winning it.
Yes, it happens year after year. And it is no coincidence.
The main reason is money. These referees are paid very well. If you are a referee, it is important to get into those games, it means a lot of money. And you know, those are not decided by computers, there are committees that decide which referees go where. So, any referee has to know who is in these committees, what kind of referring they expect, whom he has to please, etc. That's why you are not going to see any major blunders against Real any time soon.
They say that in football, there are situations that are 50/50. This means that out of 100 such situations, 50 go in favor of Real, and 50 go against Real's opponents. It's just math... probabilities.
I think Ramos was in the tunnel to talk to the guys before extra time maybe, I think maybe he was going to give them words of encouragement
That's the only reason I can think of that he was there and if he was going to do that it would have been a breach of the rules anyway
That's the only reason I can think of that he was there and if he was going to do that it would have been a breach of the rules anyway
So much crying for a clear penalty 
Even Benatia has said it's a penalty
Even Benatia has said it's a penalty
Just a random question for United fans.
Which would you rather:
- United come 2nd and win the FA Cup but Liverpool win the Champions League.
Or
- United come 3rd and lose to Spurs in the FA Cup semi’s but Liverpool go out in the Champions League semi’s as well.
Which would you rather:
- United come 2nd and win the FA Cup but Liverpool win the Champions League.
Or
- United come 3rd and lose to Spurs in the FA Cup semi’s but Liverpool go out in the Champions League semi’s as well.
Can I just understand what's the relation here ?
So much crying for a clear penalty
Even Benatia has said it's a penalty
I am still crying for the Nani red card.
And I know that the next time that we face Real, if they need some help from the referee they will have it.
Just a random question to do with Liverpool winning the UCL or not. Most people seem to be going on about who they want to win, so don’t see how this is any less relevant.
Liverpool winning CL or not isn't something we can control. Us finishing 2nd and winning Fa Cup is.
Of course but it’s more a question how much do you hate Liverpool. Like would you rather see us both do well or both do poor. Just a question, like if I was to pick it’d of course be the former as I don’t really have an issue with United particularly. Don’t get why it needs to be picked apart so much. You don’t have control over who wins it out of Roma, Real, Bayern or Liverpool but most people on here seem to be more than happy to say who they want to win or their preferences. Not sure how this is any different.
We can get both, get 2nd, win the Fa Cup and see Liverpool getting out of CL.
If you're insisting then I'll care about what my team did more that's for sure.
I'll say it, I'd take option 2
There. Over and out!
1st option.
Firstly, if you are responding to several posts then you shouldn't have quoted me especially since I never said it was a stonewall. Don't know what you were thinking. Also, the fact that there are conflicting views on the incident supports my initial post that it could have gone either way. You keep saying that it shouldn't have been given at the 93rd minute but why does that matter? A penalty at the 1st or 50th minute is different from the one given in extra time? That's just wrong.
Secondly, calling my response lecturing mode and know it all makes your response petty and not worthwhile. If you wanna go down that route, spare everyone's time including mine. Thirdly, you can say all you want about there being a conspiracy about Real being favored. But of course, you have no way of proving it. It's just your opinion and perception without any facts. Sure, some decisions in Turin could have gone against Juve but that doesn't mean Oliver owes you any favors. And I stick with my initial statement that the first leg should have no bearing on the second. Finally, you say "they should have sent a better referee with more personality who is aware of what is going on." Who is the know it all and in lecturing mode again? Blindly biases and irrational as always.
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So much crying for a clear penalty
Even Benatia has said it's a penalty
the feck he did
I never said that a penalty should not be given at the 93rd minute nor that the first leg decisions should have any bearing on yesterday's ones. On the contrary I have said that penalty could be given and it was not a scandal to give it, while it is less acceptable that every time there was a dubious decision it went one way in both legs. You keep attributing me things I have not said and I do not think, such as the fact that there is any kind of conspiracy and that way of debating is either dishonest or moronic, possibly both.
Since I have no interest in entertaining in dishonest debates for me the conversation ends here, best of luck