You are probably right in this one.Martin Vazquez was the first saying yesterday that Benzema is essential for the team,since Cristiano was very alone in the attack.
Champions League Quarter Finals (3rd - 11th April)
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The more I watch it the more I convince myself it wasn't a penalty. Not sure if I'm being influenced by the media which largely agrees it wasn't a pen. Tricky one.
Ramos apparently is subject to another ban and missing first leg of SFs since he turned up in the tunnel to watch dying moments of the game (against the rules if you're banned).
First of all they say it was not. In Turin there was a much clearer penalty against Real not given and nobody said a word. If the same contact was in Real's box most people doubt that it would have been given. This after a match in which Juve got 6 yellow and 1 red and Real 2 yellows after 90 minutes of shameful diving by Cristiano that is a great player but not a great man, it is not the first time and will not be the last that he spend the game to try to get referee's decisions.
Having said that Buffon was clearly incensed and exceeded in his protests especially after the game but a good referee reads the game and the situation in that situation.
By the way I have not taken exception to the penalty in itself even though from several videos did not seem to be real nor I am too surprised that Real gets advantages in dubious situations, it always happens to stronger teams including Juve, but reading that was a stonewall penalty and other moronic things of that level are just ridiculous
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Feck Real. Now I don't know what will happen! we need some one from Bayern or Roma to win it.
What if Real vs Liverpool final? shit.
What if Real vs Liverpool final? shit.
I don't hate Real. Sure, they tried/are trying to get de Gea but apart from that we don't currently have a major beef with them.
Considering Barca supporters and their Guardiola/City fixation, I'd rather see Real dominate La Liga/CL.
Robben is prone to be a bit over-eager when he thinks he got to prove something, and it doesn't help his decision-making usually. I think that is the case here, with his contract situation, one does not lose that kind of speed in three months. I believe, secretly, he quite likes to be in Munich
Rib was mighty strong yesterday, as in the past few matches. Kicker today says his 1 year extension is a done deal, he seems to have accepted the loss of his 1st team starter status.
still doubt it very much. either we bottle it against Roma or Pool, or we dominate Real over two legs and lose due to a penaldo in the 98th minute of the return leg.
In the last Spanish Supercup, Cristiano Ronaldo was banned 5 games because of a 'minor push' on the referee, when he was red carded for a foul he didn't even made. And he didn't shout in the face of the referee like Buffon did today.
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Bayern seems weaker than what i thought, their wings are simply not strong enough both offensively and defensively. Feck now i have bad feelings about Liverpool, please UEFA give FC Scouse Real in semis
Same here, couldn’t give two hoots about Real. Barca on the other hand with their more than a club rubbish, can’t stand them.
La Gazzeta Dello Sport, the most important Sports newspaper in Italy published today in one of their articles that Buffon said to the referee 'vai a cagare' that can be translated as 'go to hell'. If we it translate literally, it would be 'go to shit'.
With that, the way he shouted him at 1 inch from his face and that he touched him. I mean, everybody loves Buffon, but can't blame Oliver for showing him the red card.
With that, the way he shouted him at 1 inch from his face and that he touched him. I mean, everybody loves Buffon, but can't blame Oliver for showing him the red card.
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Liverpool's played sensationally well and have looked like the best team by a mile. They've only really had that one blip against Sevilla, but they've solidified their team since then.
I think it could get embarrassing against Real! Can they keep relying on Ron to bail them out, probably not.
There's only one team that's got Liverpool's number on a consistent basis, shame were not in it though.
I think it could get embarrassing against Real! Can they keep relying on Ron to bail them out, probably not.
There's only one team that's got Liverpool's number on a consistent basis, shame were not in it though.
The referee doesn't think it was iffy, so the point doesn't really hold water. Do you think he was thinking 'hmmmm, this is iffy, but I'm going to give it and narrative be damned'?
And at what point does narrative outweigh the rules? Is it a continuum, does a bit of narrative (e.g. a player returning from a long injury against the team that injured him) outweigh some rules, but a huge narrative (e.g. a team coming back from 3-0 down in a World Cup final) throw almost all the rules out the window?
Or is this all just b.s. and the rules are the rules?
it was iffy at best and Oliver took part in deciding a tie much bigger than him from the start, a twat acting the god instead of an invisible, authoritative referee... however, not asking for sympathy here but this is bigger than just a rule and the mechanistic call, it is like a glorious selfie hacked or bombed by an utter cretin: not understanding the story unfolding under your eyes, the epic and the drama and the prestige of extra time between such big teams after two legs gone in such fashion... Oliver is just a petulant, immature twat who took a scene he did not belong to.
Hadn't heard that, but if that does happen, then they don't really appear to have a direct replacement for him that is anywhere near his standard. Defensively they were all over the place against Juventus, whatever you think of Ramos he is a really tough defender and a leader. Hate to say it, but I think Liverpool would probably have turned Real over last night on their performance.
I did think it was a penalty, but they got out of jail. As for Buffon, he let his team down last night by getting sent off. Heat of the moment and all that, but had he stayed on he could have saved the penalty and sent the game into extra time. It's all academic now I suppose.
That doesn't make any sense. That's clattenburg level of ref you are talking about. Why should ref care about stories and narratives, he thought that was a clear penalty and gave one.
Sorry, but I cannot comprehend people wanting referees to make different decisions based on a game's narrative.
I do not think Oliver is a sociopath like Clattenburg or a malicious agent like Ovrebo... just immature and inadequate for the big stage, which he actually settled yesterday with an iffy call. You even have a topic with 2.5k posts from his latest 5 years, come on
.I do not think Oliver is a sociopath like Clattenburg or a malicious agent like Ovrebo... just immature and inadequate for the big stage, which he actually settled yesterday with an iffy call. You even have a topic with 2.5k posts from his latest 5 years, come on
Of course, he is poor ref and very inconsistent one. That's not the question, his decision to award penalty. It was penalty and he gave it. What's wrong in that.
Wrong. And wrong again, time and place does not make a difference. In your book maybe, but you’re not a referee and you obviously don’t know the rules properly.
This “Of course, he is poor ref and very inconsistent one” puts that “It was penalty and he gave it” in the right perspective. We can add that the penalty was iffy at best and the photobombing of a sport event worth billions and watched worldwide is complete.
I thought it was a penalty and it would have looked more like one from Oliver's angle. There's a shove (slight but that's all it needs to be) and then a wrap around leg and you just can't do that in the box. Vazquez has his body between Benatia and the ball. Benatia fouls him. I know there are refs out there that wouldn't have given it, and it's divided opinion but I think it was just about a fair decision.
The penalty itself was brilliantly executed, genuinely don't think that man Ronaldo knows what pressure is.
One thing I would say is for someone of such experience, Buffon despite being as wound up as he was, should have known that he was much more likely to save the penalty than his replacement. Who knows, he could have tipped it around the post and Juve could still have gone through.
The penalty itself was brilliantly executed, genuinely don't think that man Ronaldo knows what pressure is.
One thing I would say is for someone of such experience, Buffon despite being as wound up as he was, should have known that he was much more likely to save the penalty than his replacement. Who knows, he could have tipped it around the post and Juve could still have gone through.
So basically a red card for telling him to go home to England.
Sorry, but no. You can't say that a poor referee making a good decision means the decision is iffy. It was a good decision, you can beat him with many sticks, but not this one.
You can even debate whether it was a penalty or not, what you can't say is that the narrative moves the 'is it a penalty or not' needle. Narrative, time of match, month of year, phase of moon etc. is 100% irrelevant to applying the rules.
Look, extrapolating any human act from its context is actually sociopathy and I do not think anyone here is a sociopath, neither Oliver nor any poster. Context speaking, Madrid have long long history at home with iffy calls in the CL, same as Juve has long long history at home with iffy calls domestically. it is simply another case of bigger fish eating smaller fish, with the spectators plauding accordingly out of enjoyment and survivor bias. At the end of the day, it is just a game, I am not an affiliate and I am not losing anything out of yesterday defeat. On the contrary, the squad pride has been restored with the quality of the game we played yesterday and Agnelli can plan his next year / years accordingly, other than making his voice heard more at political level while growing more a fish in the international football pond. I'm out with this matter, all what I needed to be said I think I did and the fact there is big debate worldwide just shows it is not tidy as you want to make it.
Not sure where you are going with this. You think it's iffy, me and so many others think it's a penalty.
Btw what is this photobombing thing?
So basically a red card for telling him to go home to England.
Or maybe it's for getting physical with ref.
No its not.
Yeahh,great game from Cristiano, best player ever.
There's a reason they've gone under the radar and don't seem to be rated. Perhaps their game vs Sevilla puts things into some perspective for us. Everyone thought there would be a hammering but in the end it was a lot closer than I thought. They've had the easiest run of anyone this season. Finish 2nd in the group and then get Besiktas and Sevilla. Whilst Real Madrid also finished 2nd but get PSG and Juventus. Bayern are the weakest of the four teams left.
Who do you prefer if it's Madrid vs Liverpool final?
Is that a serious question?
HaHa no. Sorry forgot to put on a white text based on how some including me don't want Madrid to be champions for 3rd time in a row.
So you want Liverpool to win against Madrid?
Can't stand Madrid. But Liverpool? No freaking way.
I want the champions to be in order:
1. Roma (who doesnt love an underdog tale)
2. Bayern
3. Real madrid, they should be least favorites but theyre third thanks to
184729. Liverpool
1. Roma (who doesnt love an underdog tale)
2. Bayern
3. Real madrid, they should be least favorites but theyre third thanks to
184729. Liverpool