giggs-beckham
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We had 1 million fansWonder how many fans will turn out for their open top bus parade...
Especially compared to West Ham the other day and our treble...
We had 1 million fansWonder how many fans will turn out for their open top bus parade...
Especially compared to West Ham the other day and our treble...
Alternatively, let's look at it this way... United had a core of homegrown local lads and a manager who had spent the last 13 years assembling a brilliant squad, spending money that had been earned from success that fans were craving after such a barren period for such a historic club with a rich history.Let's put it into context - United were the biggest financial powerhouse in the PL in 99. They went out and bought the best available CB in Europe, the best CF they could from the PL itself and Blomqvist (ha!). United spent the most money of any PL club in the 90s and continued to do so into the 00s.
City is not much different, just on a larger scale.
I can only assume you’re trolling, as the situations are not remotely comparable. United’s treble winning squad was built around a core of academy players - four of them started the CL final and three more were on the bench (including Jonathan fecking Greening). And the guy who scored the winner was bought for a measly £1.5m - Alan Shearer was fecking dearer, as the song goes.
I agree although I wonder if being state owned almost inevitably implicates a club into murky territory. I don’t know if state ownership and ethical financial management is as mutually exclusive as most think it is. Same goes for any ownership but more so with owners who have limitless funds/assets.If all our new owners do is pay off the Glazers’ debt, fund the long overdue upgrades to the stadium and training facilities, and allow us to invest our football-related income in improving our squad without siphoning off millions, then no, it wouldn’t be anything like what 115 Charges FC have done, regardless of who those new owners are.
But if we cheat like 115 Charges FC have done then yeah, victory would be just as hollow and meaningless for us. Perhaps more so, because we shouldn’t really need to cheat to win. All we need is for the authorities to stop other teams cheating.
Just the small asterisk of City having done it with their entire team bar one player who despite being up their with the best players in the league they still have better players to start, who were of course bought through cheating.Let's put it into context - United were the biggest financial powerhouse in the PL in 99. They went out and bought the best available CB in Europe, the best CF they could from the PL itself and Blomqvist (ha!). United spent the most money of any PL club in the 90s and continued to do so into the 00s.
City is not much different, just on a larger scale.
Not to be that guy, but when SAF retired, I said this was a potential that we end up like 90s Liverpool.So in our 10 years post SAF since our collapse we have seen
Liverpool win their 19th league title and 6th CL
City dominating domestic side and breaking our record as the only English club winning the treble.
Chelsea winning Champions league
Arsenal competing for the league title before us
It's pretty hard being a United fan these days.
Tonight wins rubber stamps how soulless the sport of soccer has become.
Amen. I reckon in ten years it comes out the other half of their salary was offshored.No offence but feck their players and fans.
Completely agree but for me it's not just the inevitability but also the complete lack of romance behind it. (Which, in fairness, you could argue stems from that inevitability factor)There’s no right way for Liverpool. Ever. In my mind anyway.
I just feel ambivalent about City winning. It just felt inevitable. Like chicken and beans for dinner.
Liverpool I’d be sick as a dog right now
But that’s just me
The money flow into influenceThe BT sport wankfest over City is revolting.
I hate Liverpool..like despise that club but I respect they're and actual club, not a project.Completely agree but for me it's not just the inevitability but also the complete lack of romance behind it. (Which, in fairness, you could argue stems from that inevitability factor)
I just don't know what big story you'd have to tell about this City side. With the '99 team, you had the Class of '92 and the two goals in injury time. With Guardiola's Barca team in '08, you had Xavi and Iniesta, and you had Messi. What do you have to say about this City side? Haaland, who they spent quite a bit of money on and was already a massive name before he joined? De Bruyne? Rodri?
They're a wonderful footballing side. Nobody can have any qualms with that. I think it's fair to say they are at least one of the best sides ever assembled for in terms of pure footballing brilliance. But if you were to try to write a book about them, it'd be really fecking boring.
Deary me. United's squad in 99 cost less than £70m. That's less than an 8th of City's squad when adjusted for inflation. That doesn't even include their eye watering wages and Haaland's daddy and agent fees. There's no real comparison.Let's put it into context - United were the biggest financial powerhouse in the PL in 99. They went out and bought the best available CB in Europe, the best CF they could from the PL itself and Blomqvist (ha!). United spent the most money of any PL club in the 90s and continued to do so into the 00s.
City is not much different, just on a larger scale.
Entirely agree.I hate Liverpool..like despise that club but I respect they're and actual club, not a project.
The respect I have for them is from their history.
But surely then you’d just pay off the book critics to gush about how it’s the greatest achievement in literary historyCompletely agree but for me it's not just the inevitability but also the complete lack of romance behind it. (Which, in fairness, you could argue stems from that inevitability factor)
I just don't know what big story you'd have to tell about this City side. With the '99 team, you had the Class of '92 and the two goals in injury time. With Guardiola's Barca team in '08, you had Xavi and Iniesta, and you had Messi. What do you have to say about this City side? Haaland, who they spent quite a bit of money on and was already a massive name before he joined? De Bruyne? Rodri?
They're a wonderful footballing side. Nobody can have any qualms with that. I think it's fair to say they are at least one of the best sides ever assembled for in terms of pure footballing brilliance. But if you were to try to write a book about them, it'd be really fecking boring.
Deary me. United's squad in 99 cost less than £70m. That's less than an 8th of City's squad when adjusted for inflation. That doesn't even include their eye watering wages and Haaland's daddy and agent fees. There's no real comparison.
The lads I were with were convinced he'd make a difference. I love naive football fans.Dimarco looked unstoppable today. Of course Lukaku stops another goal-bound shot, of course it had to be him.
To be fair, it seems as though they might already have been doing that given the BT Sport commentary tonight!But surely then you’d just pay off the book critics to gush about how it’s the greatest achievement in literary history
Pathetic how we treat the GK position like a complete afterthought rather than a critical component of the team and of the desired style of play
I agree, it would suck seeing them win the treble but at least our greatest rivals did it. I can live with that. But for some scumbag royal family with backwards beliefs spunking money on a project to bribe foreign investors, feck thatEntirely agree.
If it were Liverpool that had just won the treble tonight, I'd be feeling pretty crap about it. As it is, I'm really not too fussed. (It's easy to say that but I swear it's true!)
Whatever else I can say about Liverpool, they do at least evoke feelings in me as a rival fan because they're a club with character. I just don't feel the same way about City because they're a sportswashing project, and this is some part of why I'm so desperate for us not to be taken over by Qatar.
If someone is "triggered" it is likely because no one likes cheats.Just looking at the responses in here and how I feel right now. City’s treble is definitely not as hollow as people have been saying on here. If it was then all the posters on here wouldn’t give a shit. Look at the media, look at rival fans, most are triggered by this.
Blah blah blah but you’re doing the age old forum tactic of not actually answering the question about the thing you raised an issue with so here goes. . .Ah, so you know the inner dealings of the process.
Awesome!
Anything else you can let us in on?
Truth is no one knows, and if we get him for £50m or less it will be a good deal for a young English international.
But to say United are being held to ransom for him? Hilarious and pathetic in all honesty![]()
Hilarious & pathetic is getting upset over semantics, call it ‘ransom’ or whatever term suits your fragile state of mind over the club.are not currently in negotiations for a player entering the final year of his contract at a team that have to sell for a fee somewhere in the middle of what they’d like to pay & are being told to?
This fanbase love to turn on their own but you really are putting the u in place of the a in your user name tonight.Good job we're not getting held to ransom then eh!?
Only took seven years and £2bn.I don't think it matters if they are better than the 99 team. I think they are but so what? Utd being an organically created team built on homegrown players who went through years of pain in Europe with an incredible rivalry with a great Arsenal team domestically is why it is such a legendary season.
City should be winning trebles and breaking records.
Fight and effort wasn’t our downfall in that final.
Makes sense his GF slept with Courtois.This City team is incredibly good (not so much tonight) and Pep is an all-time great. But journalists should drop all this “journey” bollocks with stories about Paul Dickow. A new club was created in 2008 in which an Abu Dhabi investment fund acquired the rights to use the PL membership and IP rights of a down at heel, fourth biggest in the North West football club called “Manchester City”. They have implemented that project with ruthless efficiency. But any connection with that pre-2008 entity is about as convincing as a “Rialto Bridge” in Vegas or an Asian shopping mall.
So as not to sound like Bertie Magoo, I did feel genuine sympathy for KDB tonight. To be injured out of the two biggest matches of your career is rough.
Only triggering I see are towards the media, who are probably paid off anyways. Sorry but they don't tell me how to feel, or that this isn't hollow like a preseason tournament.If someone is "triggered" it is likely because no one likes cheats.
Money mateI really don't understand why the mainstream media are so far up their arse. Do they think the majority of people watching like City? 90% of viewers were probably hoping for them to lose.
Football is cyclical. Liverpool’s era came to an end, so did United’s. One day City will meet the same fate. Pep is possibly the greatest of all time, and as long as he is at City then they will continue to dominate. But one day he won’t be there, just like one day Fergie wasn’t here and things can change.Yeah right keep fooling yourself. Man Utd is gone. Man City is here to stay. Pray that Pep who to me is the best coach ever leaves otherwise the rest of the league is done for.
To be fair to them, they did forget to buy Yaya a birthday cake so we can let them off for that one as they were only fairly compensating him.Doesn't include the "consultancy fee" tax evasion schemes via offshore payments known with Mancini and Yaya Toure which more than double their salaries.
Weird how Stam was perhaps skimming the top ten transfers fees that year across Europe. Ventola, Vieri, biefhoff, Henry, Veron, Frey, Fabio Jnr all went for similar or more transfers.Aye, not only were that United team the first English club to do it - they did it with a mixture of academy products and shrewd transfers. Yes, there was the odd marquee signing (Stam was £14m which was enormous back then) - but the success was down to excellent management. I'd love to know how the footballing landscape would lie in England had Fergie never retired.
Good comparison and stopped watching that sport years ago.It was a soulless game. No atmosphere at all. Very Formula 1-ish as the best funded team wins the title without even playing very well.