Champions League 24/25 | Matchday 6: December 10-11

We should've scored more and conceded less today. Still, I'll take any win in the CL.
 
City’s second goal was a mess, Doku losing it thinking he could take on the Juve fullback, Gundogan getting drawn in to the wing leaving a gaping hole when they switched it, he can barely be arsed running why on earth did they bring him back for I don’t know, Lewis not dealing with the cross twice, captain Walker pensioner jogging nowhere to be seen for McKennie, hilarious defending. :lol: This team has got bigger issues than just losing Rodri.
 
Dortmund-Barca was a great watch. Barca showing the same qualities and the same flaws in every game. That offside attempt by Cubarsi on BVB's second goal was ridiculous. You're not even a defender at this point.

Yamal was having a poor game until his assist. I also notice he isn't scoring much so far, only 6 goals in a team that has scored over 70 isn't great. Raphinha already has 17.
Yeah but he has 14 assists. And he's 17. I would consider that great
 
Yeah but he has 14 assists. And he's 17. I would consider that great

For his age he's a monster. Now if you take it away, a player of his ability in a free scoring team should be scoring more. Raphinha has objectively been better than him this season.
 
Erm no, it's a stupid format.
It really isn't. It's still flawed, but I don't share all your opinions.
1. The more big matches you have early on the less will be their impact later on in the tournament. It will distill the occasion
We always had "big matches" and "groups of death" in the old format. That didn't really change
2. A consequence of this format is you have teams placed fifth playing. It makes a further mockery of the term "Champions" league.
Have to agree on this, to justify the name it would have been better to give the additional spots to the smaller leagues
3. Minimum 2 and potentially 4 additional matches, further stuffing an already congested football season and increasing workload on players.
Also true. Which is why I think the Conference League currently has the best format.
4. It's a ridiculous concept to me that you can have a match at the home ground of an opponent and you won't have the chance to play them at your home.
The upside is that you see more different matches. Your first point was complaining about too many big matches - this format actually works against that because if a big match is drawn, it only happens once in the group stage.
5. The additional matches heavily favor the bigger clubs who have more money to invest in their squad. You'll see clubs with less money to invest struggle with the scheduling load.
Yes. See above about the ECL being better because of less matches
6. Having a group stage that is relatively easier is the whole point of the early stages of a tournament, it's a concept in every single tournament based sport. Regardless, we've seen plenty of shocks occur in the group stage with big clubs exiting so it's not as if it's a given ever year to progress.
And it still isn't. Looking at the bottom we see that (as of know) PSG and Leipzig would exit early. That's at least two clubs I didn't expect to be down there. Looking at the top 8 it's even more dramatic, I am surprised by most of the teams in it (Arsenal, Leverkusen, Villa, Brest, Lille). I would have expected more of the "big" CL teams to be in that position now.
It is quite clear this format was created to cater to clubs from the bigger leagues by increasing their chances to quality and increasing revenue with more matches. The same people praising this format would hate the Super League but this format is an exact result of the threat from those big clubs and a midway solution for UEFA to keep their tournament.
You are right here. But while acknowledging that it still is a fun competition. And there is one change that you didn't mention which I massively appreciate: If you are out, you are out. No dropping down to the EL (or from the EL to the ECL). Which I think is great because it means you have only teams fighting for those cups who actually qualified for it and are playing in it for the whole season.
 
Anyone else willing to admit they were wrong in disliking the change away from group formats? My main concern of match overload still stands, but I actually quite enjoy the new format, which surprises me. I know people are resistant to change but I think the gameweek-by-gameweek entertainment is quite high this year.
The overload is a concern and the current mega table means UEFA can keep adding games but I do like the variety of opponents played. Not just 3 different group stage teams as in the previous format.

How did we not go for that Thuram kid now playing for Juventus? He is quality.

It’s crazy when you think about it. He was at Nice which is also owned by Ineos. You’d think that would enable us the ability to get cut price deals for Thuram and Todibo but alas, here we are.

I do think Thuram had his eyes set on Juve though. His brother is already at Inter and their father played for Juve.

This City downfall needs to be studied.

They are in complete disarray
We will be there for the results of the study.

Not shipping Walker to Bayern was a big mistake
Massive mistake. Once Walker’s pace went, I knew his exposal as a not so great defender would arise.

That's pretty encouraging. We should really go for that Europa League.
I have my money on Athletic Club going all the way in EL. The final is in San Mames so there’s extra incentive for them to win it.

I think them winning the Copa del Rey last year will have given them the belief to go on for more trophies.

A club of their size and tradition really should have some sort of European trophy.

Yamal has a cracking pass every match. What a passer

He needs to trademark the trivela pass. Does it so effortlessly.

For his age he's a monster. Now if you take it away, a player of his ability in a free scoring team should be scoring more. Raphinha has objectively been better than him this season.

He should be scoring more, yes, but I think his strongest skill set is his passing. His eye for a killer pass is elite.
 
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Anyone else willing to admit they were wrong in disliking the change away from group formats? My main concern of match overload still stands, but I actually quite enjoy the new format, which surprises me. I know people are resistant to change but I think the gameweek-by-gameweek entertainment is quite high this year.

Yeah, I wasn't interested in it at the beginning, but I've kind of taken to it. Couldn't give a shit about the standings because Utd aren't in it, but I'm enjoying the football.

Seems more entertaining and is perhaps more even. Especially for the smaller/weaker teams, playing maybe 4 or 5 winnable games rather than playing 2 tops seeds in 4 out of 6 games in a small group that they might be lucky to get a draw from.
 
Just had a look at the table. So with two matchdays left realistically only PSG and Stuttgart are still fighting to stay in it - who play each other on the final matchday. Could become quite dramatic. Also City in danger of dropping out and playing PSG next makes all this feel like a real relegation battle. Which is fun, and if you had told any Stuttgart fan that their club would be in a direct battle with PSG and City just 1.5 years ago they would have laughed at you. :lol:
 
For his age he's a monster. Now if you take it away, a player of his ability in a free scoring team should be scoring more. Raphinha has objectively been better than him this season.

Nah. I thought Yamal was brillant yesterday. Does so much that isn't showing in most statistics. But if you look at the advanced statistics, you see that he's much better at progressing the ball while dribbling and pretty much equal in terms of passing. And that doesn't consider the difficulty of the passes Yamal pulls off like the gigantic chance he created for Raphinha with his trivela cross. Yamal is has 1.23 goal creating actions per 90 to Raphinha's 0.96 this season by the way.
 
Motta is a n00b and learning fast the best (and only) way to survive at a big club is getting results, whichever style you use.
 
Nah. I thought Yamal was brillant yesterday. Does so much that isn't showing in most statistics. But if you look at the advanced statistics, you see that he's much better at progressing the ball while dribbling and pretty much equal in terms of passing. And that doesn't consider the difficulty of the passes Yamal pulls off like the gigantic chance he created for Raphinha with his trivela cross. Yamal is has 1.23 goal creating actions per 90 to Raphinha's 0.96 this season by the way.

He was decent in the first half, then disappeared in the second, until that perfectly timed assist to Ferran. I also consider Yamal a better dribbler and passer than Raphinha in general. He has both the vision and the execution. I'm not much on advanced stats to be honest; is that difference in goal creating actions considered big? I know the difference in goals scored is.

The only question mark I have about Yamal moving forward is his pace. I wonder if it's definitive or if he can get faster considering he's only 17. The only comparison I have is Mbappé, who I believe was already as fast at 17-18 as he was later in his career. Right now Yamal is fast, but nowhere near as fast as the best wingers or attacking players playing in the wings, the likes of Neymar, Salah, Vinicius, Mbappé. Lack of pace is the reason why I completely write off a young player like Guler as a potential world class player, at least in his current position on the pitch.