Cesc Fabregas

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roonster09 said:
Game isn't moving from CMs in favor of Defensive mid.

Madrid plays with Kroos and Modric in midfield 3, 2 players who are known for their ability on the ball.
Barca - Plays with midfield trio and the defensive mid is Busquets.
Bayern - Again no strictly with DMs as they play Thiago, Vidal.
Juventus - Plays with Pjanic and Khedira.

In PL what you said is correct though, I think reason is lack of creative midfielders.
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Fair enough, although all those players are a lot better defensively than Fabregas, especially positionally. Fabregas is great, but if you play him in a midfield 2 he does leave you too open imo.
 
I think he'll move to Serie A and do very well. Might be the player to build the new 'project' around at Milan.
 
hellohello said:
Fair enough, although all those players are a lot better defensively than Fabregas, especially positionally. Fabregas is great, but if you play him in a midfield 2 he does leave you too open imo.
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Yeah midfield 2 won't suit him. It's all about balance though, midfield as well as the team. If you have full backs who are very good at attacking, attacking mid who can pick up runs even from deeper position then you can get away with defensive mids in midfield.
 
On form he's an incredible player who I love watching, but his antics last year mean I wouldn't want him anywhere near us. Horrible attitude.
 
notcool said:
He's 30 years old.


I guess we should only buy players that are having great (read: in the spotlight) seasons and pay huge money for them. Fabregas being on the bench at Chelsea has nothing to do with him having lost anything as a player.
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Cesc Fabregas was the aire to Paul Scholes at one stage the midfield general. Now he's just a centre mid Juan Mata. Can you see him putting in a Scholes/Pirlo/ Xavi type of performance in midfield. Unless we are going to play him as a rotated number 10 with Griezmann what is his purpose?

So stop with the crap talk, he is not that player we tried to sign in 2012/13 whenever it was.
 
@Mainoldo
Fabregas has lost nothing that he had since 2014. The only difference is that he's not being played.
 
He will stay at Chelsea. Plenty of games next season with European football.
 
notcool said:
@Mainoldo
Fabregas has lost nothing that he had since 2014. The only difference is that he's not being played.
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But he's a number 10 now, that Fabregas we don't need and he has otherwise he'd be playing with the champions elect.
 
I actually hope he goes to Milan if he wants to leave England. Will be a great addition to them at this critical stage of new owners starting to rebuild the team it'll be a quality to bring such an experienced player and he's not finished yet.

He won't move to us, forget it.
 
Mainoldo said:
But he's a number 10 now, that Fabregas we don't need and he has otherwise he'd be playing with the champions elect.
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He's not playing for Chelsea because of his positional indiscipline, something he's always had. If by career plummeting you only mean that he's not a first team player as he once was, I can agree. But if you mean also that he's not as good as he once was, I disagree. It's like JRod at Real Madrid: he's still the same player, he just doesn't suit what the formation that's being played.
 
We barely have any midfielders and Fellaini gets game time here. For the right price I'd take him in a heart beat. Look how poor our midfield looked creatively without Pogba.
 
Bwuk said:
We barely have any midfielders and Fellaini gets game time here. For the right price I'd take him in a heart beat. Look how poor our midfield looked creatively without Pogba.
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He's not a centre midfielder though. This is he problem.

notcool said:
He's not playing for Chelsea because of his positional indiscipline, something he's always had. If by career plummeting you only mean that he's not a first team player as he once was, I can agree. But if you mean also that he's not as good as he once was, I disagree. It's like JRod at Real Madrid: he's still the same player, he just doesn't suit what the formation that's being played.
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Well that is the problem isn't it.. there are far better players doing his role and he isn't good enough anymore which is why he plays the number 10 role and not the luka Modric role. Abit like when we tried to fit Rooney in every position going because he forgot how to be a world class striker.
 
notcool said:
He's not playing for Chelsea because of his positional indiscipline, something he's always had. If by career plummeting you only mean that he's not a first team player as he once was, I can agree. But if you mean also that he's not as good as he once was, I disagree. It's like JRod at Real Madrid: he's still the same player, he just doesn't suit what the formation that's being played.
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Mourinho does not go out out of his way to sign a player who is positionally indisciplined. Cesc is one of the best when it comes to tactical and positional discipline. Has exhibited it at both Barcelona and Chelsea. He doesn't start for Chelsea because Conte is a defensive minded coach who prefers to have two ball winners in central midfield, and Cesc is weak defensively.
 
Fabergas and Pogba can't really work together. We would have to get a really good and disciplined DM for that to work out. And honestly, with the season Herrera has given us, I would have him as part of our first 11 next season. He's United through and through and that's the sort of spirit is why Park was picked every time for United apart from his work rate.
 
Depends how his relationship is with Jose but yeah sign him up!

real/barca/bayern have stupid strength in depth in midfield. The likes of Isco and James are strugling to get games.

We should look to have similar quality. Can even see him developing into a deeper role ala carrick.

Would you honestly rather see bog brush Fellaini start instead??
 
cheeky_backheel said:
Mourinho does not go out out of his way to sign a player who is positionally indisciplined. Cesc is one of the best when it comes to tactical and positional discipline. Has exhibited it at both Barcelona and Chelsea. He doesn't start for Chelsea because Conte is a defensive minded coach who prefers to have two ball winners in central midfield, and Cesc is weak defensively.
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Well then being weak defensively is his problem, not a drop in ability.

Mainoldo said:
Well that is the problem isn't it.. there are far better players doing his role and he isn't good enough anymore which is why he plays the number 10 role and not the luka Modric role. Abit like when we tried to fit Rooney in every position going because he forgot how to be a world class striker.
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There were always players who were defensively better than him at Chelsea but Mourinho still played him and Matic together. I would suggest that either Conte prefers someone more defensive there or the 3-4-3, in general, requires it.
 
notcool said:
There were always players who were defensively better than him at Chelsea but Mourinho still played him and Matic together. I would suggest that either Conte prefers someone more defensive there or the 3-4-3, in general, requires it.
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In JM's penultimate season at Stamford Bridge when we won the league, Fabregas played nearly every match before Christmas after Christmas he rarely started.
 
The Outsider said:
In JM's penultimate season at Stamford Bridge when we won the league, Fabregas played nearly every match before Christmas after Christmas he rarely started.
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After Christmas he started 16 out of 21 games, completed 90 mins in 15 games. Wasn't in squad for 2 games, for 2 games he was suspended, 1 game he was subbed in.

In total he started 33 league games.
 
If we could have him on the cheap I'd have him here, he would be a good squad player. Having someone like Fabregas on the bench to sub on towards the later stages of a game when we are chasing a goal could be a very smart option as he is one of the most productive midfielders in the league.
 
the hea said:
If we could have him on the cheap I'd have him here, he would be a good squad player. Having someone like Fabregas on the bench to sub on towards the later stages of a game when we are chasing a goal could be a very smart option as he is one of the most productive midfielders in the league.
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Exactly. He'd be a very able deputy to Pogba when he is rested/injured and a match-winning option off the bench. If the price were right and he was willing I'd have him in a heartbeat.
 
the hea said:
If we could have him on the cheap I'd have him here, he would be a good squad player. Having someone like Fabregas on the bench to sub on towards the later stages of a game when we are chasing a goal could be a very smart option as he is one of the most productive midfielders in the league.
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Absolutely spot on. He's just got that fantastic ability to change or open up a game with a single pass and if we place pace up top and out wide and have them making constant runs in behind then he'll be able to pick them out. He keeps the ball ticking along in midfield too.
 
Can't stand the little s*it and wouldnt want him here if he was at his peak.There arent many I feel like that about but hope we never go anywhere near him.
 
Vile player, hate him.
 
Great player once upon a time but this isn't his time any more and we've carried players who have past their time enough already these last 5 years. No more.
 
Zero chance we'd sell him to you guys. Not sure why all these Chelsea players are linked with United to become "squad" players.

Matic, Willian, Fabregas. Firstly, all 3 of them are very important players for us so it would be ridiculous to sell to a direct rival. Secondly, why would Willian or Cesc leave a squad role here for a squad role at United?
 
Orc said:
Zero chance we'd sell him to you guys. Not sure why all these Chelsea players are linked with United to become "squad" players.

Matic, Willian, Fabregas. Firstly, all 3 of them are very important players for us so it would be ridiculous to sell to a direct rival. Secondly, why would Willian or Cesc leave a squad role here for a squad role at United?
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We've got a dreamer fanbase at times.
 
Would be a good option against the 'easier' teams that we've struggled to beat at home this season as he is very productive. Ultimately would be a squad role though as he is not industrious enough for our starting XI against the best sides, especially if we want to take the reins off Pogba. With that in mind, probably not the best use of our wage budget.
 
The White Pele said:
Would be a good option against the 'easier' teams that we've struggled to beat at home this season as he is very productive. Ultimately would be a squad role though as he is not industrious enough for our starting XI against the best sides, especially if we want to take the reins off Pogba. With that in mind, probably not the best use of our wage budget.
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At times this season our midfield cant create a fecking chance if Moses parted the ocean for us, but we dont need Cesc? We would be lucky to get him, which we wont.
 
Raoul said:
Cesc is well passed his prime at this point.
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Really, his only weakness is his lack of athleticism. If he had legs he'd be the best midfielder in the world. He's been our perfect Plan B this season and is still extremely effective.

This means that he's either relegated to being a squad player like he is now or he needs lots of legs around him. I still wish Conte would've tried him in midfield with both Matic and Kante around him.
 
Orc said:
Really, his only weakness is his lack of athleticism. If he had legs he'd be the best midfielder in the world. He's been our perfect Plan B this season and is still extremely effective.

This means that he's either relegated to being a squad player like he is now or he needs lots of legs around him. I still wish Conte would've tried him in midfield with both Matic and Kante around him.
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You need to stop with your hyperbole. Even with athleticism he won't be the best mid in the world.
 
Raoul said:
Cesc is well passed his prime at this point.
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How so? Lack of legs? He never had them. He's had a lot assists per minutes this season so still as creative as ever.
 
Didnt he mug us off in order to get a new contract at Barca? He can feck right off.
 
Good footballer, but some posters seem to forget it's Cesc Fabregas, the little scrote who played for Arsenal. I'd rather Fellaini, and a piece of me dies every time that lanky mop starts for us.
 
roonster09 said:
You need to stop with your hyperbole. Even with athleticism he won't be the best mid in the world.
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Not hyperbole. He's one of, if not the best passers of the ball in Europe. Still racking up assists even when he's not playing every week and is behind only Giggs in PL history.

If he could get around the pitch more and contribute more defensively he'd have everything and be worth Pogba money.
 
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