Celebrity Allegations, #MeToo etc

I mean, didn't he smash his drummers teeth in with a mic on stage once? Not sure this should be a surprise...
 
To a certain extent Manson might have been able to hide beneath his shock-rock image in that it became difficult to know which things he said/did were designed to be performative and exaggerated rather than genuine. Especially given he also had a reputation for being friendly and charming in many interviews, which perhaps reinforced the idea that there was a knowing element to a lot of his alleged bad behaviour or at least saw that perception be spread by the music journalists writing about him.

That said, when someone openly writes about covering a deaf girl in meat and pissing on her along with a long-time friend and bandmate who was also accused of rape while a different bandmate has sex with her (without the girl being at all exploited, Manson of course claimed).....

Well, it's difficult to be overly shocked when it turns out that he actually doesn't treat women well generally.That phrase about believing people when they tell you who they are comes to mind. A lot of the time it actually is the ones you'd most expect.
 
Worth checking out Evan Rachel Woods Instagram story for a full account. Truly awful stuff.
 
sullydnl said:
To a certain extent Manson might have been able to hide beneath his shock-rock image in that it became difficult to know which things he said/did were designed to be performative and exaggerated rather than genuine. Especially given he also had a reputation for being friendly and charming in many interviews, which perhaps reinforced the idea that there was a knowing element to a lot of his alleged bad behaviour or at least saw that perception be spread by the music journalists writing about him.

That said, when someone openly writes about covering a deaf girl in meat and pissing on her along with a long-time friend and bandmate who was also accused of rape while a different bandmate has sex with her (without the girl being at all exploited, Manson of course claimed).....

Well, it's difficult to be overly shocked when it turns out that he actually doesn't treat women well generally.That phrase about believing people when they tell you who they are comes to mind. A lot of the time it actually is the ones you'd most expect.
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Yep. I always thought him naming himself after Charles Manson was part of his whole edgy aesthetic and done for shock value but after all that’s come out I wouldn’t be surprised if he actually idolised him.
 
I see Corey fieldman has come out and say manson abused and groomed him as well.

So, without trying to be insensitive, but this guy seems to come out and say x person abused me as well everytime someone else has came out and accused person x of abusing them.

Is this genuinely a case of him being abused by lot of people or is he looking attention?
 
arnie_ni said:
I see Corey fieldman has come out and say manson abused and groomed him as well.

So, without trying to be insensitive, but this guy seems to come out and say x person abused me as well everytime someone else has came out and accused person x of abusing them.

Is this genuinely a case of him being abused by lot of people or is he looking attention?
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He always said a child abuse ring existed in Hollywood (before the qanon nuts), but true or not, Corey Fieldman is not well
 
arnie_ni said:
I see Corey fieldman has come out and say manson abused and groomed him as well.

So, without trying to be insensitive, but this guy seems to come out and say x person abused me as well everytime someone else has came out and accused person x of abusing them.

Is this genuinely a case of him being abused by lot of people or is he looking attention?
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I can't see there being any substance to this. Feldman turned 18 in 1989. Manson was two years older than him , not famous, and living in Florida at the time. Unfortunately, Feldman is hurting his own narrative here.
 
Dwazza Gunnar Solskjær said:
I can't see there being any substance to this. Feldman turned 18 in 1989. Manson was two years older than him , not famous, and living in Florida at the time. Unfortunately, Feldman is hurting his own narrative here.
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Figured as much. It then makes you question every accusation he's ever made.

Does more damage than good
 
arnie_ni said:
Figured as much. It then makes you question every accusation he's ever made.
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Well, I might not go that far. It's possible that someone who had been groomed and abused for years as a child could find themselves being groomed and abused by someone as an adult, too.

While it does seem unlikely in this case due to their closeness in age and the late 90s rise of Manson, it's not completely unreasonable that a mid-20s Feldman might actually be drawn to abusive relationships if his warped psyche actually craved the validation they provided. But on the whole, it would be strange for Manson to arrive on the scene in '94, join an established network of Hollywood abusers and be handed Corey Feldman to groom in such a short time.

I feel genuinely bad speculating about the validity of his claim as I have above but the timeline doesn't work for me. Like you say it does more damage than good to make that claim. He'd be better off just using it as proof that this culture exists in the entertainment industry and is largely ignored/accepted..
 
arnie_ni said:
Figured as much. It then makes you question every accusation he's ever made.

Does more damage than good
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Did Corey Feldman say anything about physical abuse? That would be unlikely (though obviously not impossible) but from what I've read he talks about Manson trying to get him to use cocaine to break his five-year sobriety, gas-lighting him while on tour, a campaign of mental abuse etc., but nothing beyond the realms of possibility for an incredibly toxic friendship. Corey Feldman seems extremely damaged so it wouldn't be surprising if he was manipulated and fecked with throughout his life by bullies wanting to take advantage for fun.
 
Harry Harries said:
Did Corey Feldman say anything about physical abuse? That would be unlikely (though obviously not impossible) but from what I've read he talks about Manson trying to get him to use cocaine to break his five-year sobriety, gas-lighting him while on tour, a campaign of mental abuse etc., but nothing beyond the realms of possibility for an incredibly toxic friendship. Corey Feldman seems extremely damaged so it wouldn't be surprising if he was manipulated and fecked with throughout his life by bullies wanting to take advantage for fun.
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Interesting. Yeah he could definitely be drawn to abusive types.
 
I’m in no way defending him and I hope he’s prosecuted and suitably punished if guilty, but the use of “child porn” in headlines when it relates to a 17 year old seems a little misleading, no?
 
Didn't he play a guy who was grooming underage women in You?
 
someone posted the court filing on Reddit, I couldn't get through it

if true he is a complete and utter scumbag and should be locked up

edit: here's a summary

 
Not sure where to put this but hopefully it will become big news in France in the next few days.






Also
n 1977, a petition was addressed to the French parliament calling for the abrogation of several articles of the age of consent law and the decriminalization of all consensual relations between adults and minors below the age of fifteen (the age of consent in France). A number of French intellectuals – including such prominent names as Louis Aragon, Michel Foucault, Jean-Paul Sartre, Jacques Derrida, Louis Althusser, Roland Barthes, Simone de Beauvoir, Gilles Deleuze, Félix Guattari, Michel Leiris, Alain Robbe-Grillet, Philippe Sollers, Jacques Rancière, Jean-François Lyotard, Francis Ponge, Bernard Besret, and various prominent doctors and psychologists – signed the petition.[1] In 1979 two open letters were published in French newspapers defending individuals arrested under charges of statutory rape, in the context of abolition of age of consent laws.

Michel Foucault argued that children are able to give consent to sexual relations, saying that assuming “that a child is incapable of explaining what happened and was incapable of giving his consent are two abuses that are intolerable, quite unacceptable.”[2] Foucault, Sartre, and newspapers such as Libération and Le Monde each defended the idea of child-adult sexual relationships.[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_petition_against_age_of_consent_laws
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He struck me as completely amoral," Noam Chomsky said of Michel Foucault "I'd never met anyone who was so completely amoral"
 
Oh wow. Only just coming across this Foucault news now. I work at a university and Foucault (not surprisingly) features quite prominently in humanities courses. It will be interesting to see if any changes are made regarding the use of his ideas in lectures and whatnot.
 
https://www.theguardian.com/culture...f-groping-harassment-and-bullying-by-20-women


‘Sexual predator’: actor Noel Clarke accused of groping, harassment and bullying by 20 women
  • Actor-producer categorically denies allegations from all 20 women
  • Bafta suspends outstanding contribution award and actor’s membership
  • Alleged misconduct including claims he secretly filmed naked audition
  • Doctor Who and Kidulthood star allegedly showed colleagues sexually explicit photos and videos of women
 
horsechoker said:
https://www.theguardian.com/culture...f-groping-harassment-and-bullying-by-20-women


‘Sexual predator’: actor Noel Clarke accused of groping, harassment and bullying by 20 women
  • Actor-producer categorically denies allegations from all 20 women
  • Bafta suspends outstanding contribution award and actor’s membership
  • Alleged misconduct including claims he secretly filmed naked audition
  • Doctor Who and Kidulthood star allegedly showed colleagues sexually explicit photos and videos of women
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The crime that's shocking me the most here is that Noel Clarke is being taken seriously as an actor. Shockingly one dimensional plank.
 
horsechoker said:
https://www.theguardian.com/culture...f-groping-harassment-and-bullying-by-20-women


‘Sexual predator’: actor Noel Clarke accused of groping, harassment and bullying by 20 women
  • Actor-producer categorically denies allegations from all 20 women
  • Bafta suspends outstanding contribution award and actor’s membership
  • Alleged misconduct including claims he secretly filmed naked audition
  • Doctor Who and Kidulthood star allegedly showed colleagues sexually explicit photos and videos of women
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The guy is a bit of a tit in real life but still surprised.

The entertainment business is just full of this shit :(
 
Just read the guardians report. Rather damning.

I enjoyed Kidulthood and Adulthood in my late teens. Noels public persona was always one of a hoodish scally who made it somewhat mainstream but this is just abhorrent.
 
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