Celebrity Allegations, #MeToo etc
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I think she seems a tad bitter tbh. Seems like the classic female reaction after finding out the man she was on a date with 'only wanted one thing'.
She wanted revenge after finding out he didn't want anything more than that. And as much as it sucks for women that they have to wade through men that are like that to find ones that are willing to stick around, most women know better than to suck the guy off in the hope of convincing him of date number 2.
She wanted revenge after finding out he didn't want anything more than that. And as much as it sucks for women that they have to wade through men that are like that to find ones that are willing to stick around, most women know better than to suck the guy off in the hope of convincing him of date number 2.
Sounds like exactly what happened. Except here, the woman and her writer attempted to leverage the legitimate sentiment of the MeToo movement to seek revenge on Ansari's career.
Yep. I really don't want to come across insensitive here, but it does seem as if #metoo was a convenient, passing bandwagon and she felt bitter enough towards him that she jumped on board.
No doubt about it. If the MeToo movement wasn't in play, this story would've never seen the light of day. The writer probably also thought this would be her own ticket to fame.
To be honest, I know nothing about the guy Ansari, I'm not a fan of his. I literally haven't seen anything of him.
And I regularly get called overly PC on this very forum, but after reading that article (the original one, by the woman), it made me feel really uncomfortable, and not in the way the article was trying to make me feel uncomfortable...
It's written so slanted and loaded and makes it sound like something that it's not. He comes across as overly keen, yes, pushy even. But overly keen, or pushy (on it's own) does not equal what's being made out of him with this.
It casts the story almost like the woman is some kind of helpless innocent being literally abused, and because of some of the real incidents like that involving famous people, it encourages your mind to create the same feelings, but it's not the same.
I hope a line is drawn with this one, because, based on that story alone, that guy doesn't deserve to have his whole career ruined.
It's not as if I don't have sympathy for the girl in question either. It's a minefield for women, and I've seen this just recently with a female friend of mine. This guy led her on for 4 months about how he really liked her, then as soon as she slept with him he wasn't interested anymore. Now that strikes me as worse because he pretended to want a relationship, there was some deception involved. Here, it seems pretty clear what he wanted from the start. It also seems pretty clear she knew this.
I'm not a fan of his either. I saw one program of his on Netflix a while back and didn't bother to finish it.
This is going to be the theme for a while, I think. We're in the 'backlash' stage and as such women are going to regularly be cast in this way, born of a feeling that men have been unfairly negatively cast during the prior stages.
It's depressingly predictable and best ignored.
The relevant thing is the 'movement' has altered things and we wait for the next stage, be that months or years.
From the first 3 minutes of The Young Turks:
female dickhead said:
Throughout the course means only at the very end don't ya know I'm a fecking hack piece of shit.female dickhead seconds later said:
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Around 8 minutes into the video:
male dickhead said:
‘Whoa, let’s relax for a sec, let’s chill.’
“He really kept doing it after I moved it away.”
Most of my discomfort was expressed in me pulling away and mumbling.
“I know I was physically giving off cues that I wasn’t interested. I don’t think that was noticed at all, or if it was, it was ignored.”
hurdur I used to be a conservatave now I'm right and I done some medias... and she drank wine... kill me please.
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I couldn't stand more than ten minutes, and can only be bothered to pick out the two most egregious examples of hackery.
Ah feck it. if we're not going to be dealing with what was reported in the article and instead retell the story to serve our own gratification - omitting details and inventing new ones - then I honestly can't be fecked with it. I haven't the time to correct the copious amounts of bullshitting in every response piece I've read so far. feck social media, feck this phoney baloney bullshit rhetoric, it's poison.
I give up.
"this attention seeker needs to expose herself"
Bloody hell , only just read that Babe.net article (Does this site have any credibility?? I thought I was about to NSFW shit pop up).
Proper hack job, just trying to destroy someone's career over essential a bad date.
“It was white,” she said. “I didn’t get to choose and I prefer red, but it was white wine.”
are they serious? Trying to build up an image the whole article that Aziz had control over this woman and she was just a poor helpless lamb to the slaughter.
Proper hack job, just trying to destroy someone's career over essential a bad date.
“It was white,” she said. “I didn’t get to choose and I prefer red, but it was white wine.”
are they serious? Trying to build up an image the whole article that Aziz had control over this woman and she was just a poor helpless lamb to the slaughter.It was more likely that he recognised that she was uncomfortable, but didn't care and turned it up a notch. He's a perceptive person. It's more likely that he knew that she was very uncomfortable but also rather intimidated by him being a celebrity. Chances are he might have thought he could have continued making her do stuff to her and he might have made her have penetrative sex as well. She then obviously left after that could happen.
I'm wary about this scorched earth policy of the Me Too movement in which men are labelled as either completely innocent or completely guilty. But Ansari behaved disgustingly in that situation. He used his 'celebrity' status to get his way with her even though she didn't want to.
What a contradiction. You're wary that this movement is labelling men either completely innocent or completely guilty....but you think after reading the babe article that Aziz Ansari is completely guilty. I don't think you are that wary.
You've read one clearly bias article, and a statement from Ansari. How about winding in the "he was more than likely" crap. Pure speculation.
That's the issue, a worthy movement that empowered victims is going to end up as a negative symbol of vindictive behaviour. I can definitely see it as a form of revenge porn aa that article above proposes.
The authors of that peice are not even proper journalists, they didn't even interview him for a response. Journalistic integrity has gone out the window as MeToo already has credibility. You know that website was relishing the hits.
I might be in the minority on this one but i think the Woody Allen backlash is terrible. Everyone has known about the accusations and were comfortable that he was not proven guilty but now it's been brought up again by Farrow stars have lept on the bandwagon against him as they don't want to be on the wrongside of MeToo. A few thankfully have stood by him.
Not sure what you mean, he clearly was a dipshit as he kept trying it but when she definitively said no, she got an Uber ride home. Are you expecting celebs not to get with non-celebs or are you inferring that Ansari did worse than was actually even referred to in the article.
He married his partners daughter. Even if he didn't rape a different one, he's a fecking creep of epic proportions.
Not going to argue that isn't creepy but it has nothing to do with MeToo nor my point. As i stated MeToo has been leveraged to do damage to his career despite no one previously having an issue working with him.
The actors now throwing him under the bus do not come off well from this fake posturing.
I agree and have always thought so. Hollywood defence of Palonski is far worse too. But he has a valid point that a lot of hollywood stars happily stood behind and supported both of them before these scandals and are not going a complete 180 or staying quiet. Someone like Meryl Streep should be asked hard questions in an interview about her support to both of these men.
Yeah, let's expose her to death threats from the gamergate guys as revenge for something that we have wildly speculated to be the case!
I've read all 57 pages of this thread but still can't decide if it's sexual assault or plain old creepiness
Haven't really followed this anymore, but the last three pages showed exactly the result I thought this movement would have: it's become utterly insane and raided by the worst kind of feminists of all genders.
Oh dear.
I also agree with the seemingly unpopular idea that Woody Allen is being treated rather unfairly. While it's important to treat accusers as if they're telling the truth, that doesn't extend to automatically treating the accused as if they're guilty. I don't think one unproven accusation by one person should be enough to see someone widely condemned in the way Allen has been.
Him being a creep by marrying his ex's adopted daughter is neither here nor there as it has nothing to with child abuse accusations.
Him being a creep by marrying his ex's adopted daughter is neither here nor there as it has nothing to with child abuse accusations.
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Katie Way sounds like an unstable nutjob. Given her unhinged email to Ashleigh, I wouldn't be surprised if she completely embellished the hell out of the girl's story to weaponize it to suit her own agenda.
She has a point to be fair.
Ashleigh's open video letter was fairly harsh towards a possibily vulnerable woman.
Watch as this aziz ansari story becomes bigger than the whole movement, and a huge misogynistic backlash is launched
Fortunately, most media outlets are correctly questioning the journalistic merit of the story and are appropriately separating it from the MeToo movement.
My thoughts are that criticising the story and the journalist is fine, but attacking the woman for opening up about an encounter that left her feeling violated isn't right. She has every right to feel what she feels, and I don't think those feelings are unwarranted. At the same time, her feeling like that doesn't mean that Aziz committed a crime.
I've made it clear who I think made the biggest mistake in this encounter, and that debate has been done to death over the last few pages, so there's no need to rehash it. I do wonder, though, if it wouldn't have been better if they hadn't named him, and instead referred to him as famous actor or comedian or something. Would have allowed for a debate around it without accusations of her being a bitter gold-digger looking to ruin his career because she didn't like how the date went (which I think is out of order).
I find this aziz story and the black cat story a troubling indictment of the mental gymnastics in play in modern dating.
If they don't name him they won't get the hits. Please don't be naïve.
And the funny part is you felt that the women is being attacked, where no one knows who she is, and that she can still carry on her life as usual in anonymity. But for Aziz, who is the one really being attacked, is facing some consequence from this and has his career in question.
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Not just the hits - it would've also prevented them from weaponizing the story to wield power and piggyback onto the current MeToo sentiment.
She has a right to her feelings, when she goes public with them, naming the celebrity, trying to cling onto the #metoo movement, well then yes she is open to criticism when there are some very huge questions about her story. The movement to expose predators is very important but that does not mean that every woman can throw a story out there about a famous or powerful man and not have to face questions about it. The majority will be true, but it is important to the ones that are true that we don't just accept every story as true.
A false accusation can ruin a person's life.
Just because someone feels something does not mean they are right.
As it should be. No woman should be slut shamed or anything like that, but if her story does not hold water then there is nothing wrong with calling out the problems with her story.
Oh, you're serious-posting now? What happened to the ridiculous hyperbolic shit-posting?
Again, I feel attacking her character is way beyond what can be called a reasonable response. Saying what happened was partially down to her, or that it's understandable that he might have thought sex was on the table given the circumstances is fair. Questioning the motivations of the writer or the site that published the story is also fair. Calling her an attention-seeking gold-digger or accusing her of just being bitter and wanting to ruin his career is not, in my eyes at least.
But you can attack his character? So if it is a "he", it is fair game, if it is a 'she', it is a no go?
If you go through these threads, he has been called a douche, a creep etc. names that can destroy his career. But no, we are up in arms when someone with no name is being called a gold-digger.
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Where have I attacked his character? If (if!) the story is accurate, then I think he overstepped a bound. I can, however, understand that he thought sex might was on the table given that she stayed. I think he went about seeing if it was in a way that is, to me, unacceptable. Again, if the story is accurate. I have stated that I do not think he acted maliciously, nor do I think he's a criminal. I did originally state that I think he tried to pressure her into having sex, and that was harsh on him, and I have since, in this very thread, moderated my stance. I still find it hard to believe that he didn't sense her reluctance, but a lot of horny men have probably been in in situations where their partner isn't as keen as they are, and tried to get them to come around to the idea. And a lot of those men have probably, though hopefully unintentionally, gone too far. This does not make them bad people, but that doesn't mean we can't discuss what to do about it, and how to try and prevent things like that from happening.
Yeah, saying someone acted like a creep or a douche is totally the same thing as accusing someone of being a bitter, gold-digging cnut out to ruin someone's career after a bad date.If you go through these threads, he has been called a douche, a creep etc. names that can destroy his career. But no, we are up in arms when someone with no name is being called a gold-digger.
No one avoids a gold digger but everyone avoids a creep. So yeah, they are not the same thing.
One is slander, the other one isn't. One is a is a serious allegation, the other a highly subjective statement. One is an attack on someone's character, the other is a comment on someones behaviour.
You're not very good at this.