I think @Buchan is taking a lot of flak for something for which I'm mainly responsible, politicizing the thread and turning it into a discussion about the nature of Hollywood liberalism. My apologies.
Celebrity Allegations, #MeToo etc
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That's obviously a possibility, but they, along with many, many others, were very prompt to (rightfully) condemn deplorable actions of other sexual predators before. It just seems strange that they'd sit this one out when it's an issue they're obviously passionate about, and it also affects their own industry.
It's akin to a 'Kick It Out' advocate remaining silent on a racism issue in football. It's just bizarre.
Whenever something like this happens, I‘m stupid enough to think that, right before reading or entering discussions about such topics, that this is finally something everyone agrees on. Weinstein is an asshole, those who supported or helped him must be questioned and asked uncomfortable questions and the victims deserve recognition for speaking up.
It always ends up with a discussion about how it might also have been the women‘s fault. This is so damn infuriating.
It always ends up with a discussion about how it might also have been the women‘s fault. This is so damn infuriating.
I honestly can't remember how quick they were to condemn every other famous sexual predator but maybe it was 5 days but seemed quicker to you back then. Either way given this time around it affected someone they knew directly, understandable if they took such a long time as a few days to get around for the public condemnation.
It's akin to a 'Kick It Out' advocate waiting a few days before condemning his team-mate or manager. That doesn't always happen, see Ashley Cole, so you have to commend it when it does.
It's never the woman's fault. However, wilfully turning a blind eye to grotesque deviancy as you're afraid it'll harm your career prospects, particularly when you claim to be a feminist and a voice for women and sexual assault victims, is a tough position to defend.
That might be reasonable if news of this scandal landed in their breakfast cornflakes out of a clear, blue sky. But Harvey seems to have molested half the women in Hollywood. It didn't come as a surprise. Everybody had known for years.
I think it‘s only a tough position to defend if you ignore the full amount of trouble those women might possibly face. To think this is just about their careers is pretty ignorant. For them, fighting a man like Harvey Weinstein, there is much more at stake. You just don‘t seem to even consider what going public or giving support could mean for them.
Add to that the possibility, maybe even likelihood that some of those women might have been affected themselves, thus it might not be easy for them to speak out.
While we‘re at it and in hopes you might gain a better understanding of the power disparity those women face, you should give the Twitter feed from Terry Crews a good read. If a man like him is that afraid, just think what a broken industry this must be and how a woman must feel, if a mountain of a man like Terry Crews feels so helpless.
Well that is an assumption. For all we know that might be the case, certainly a few actors have deemed so. Even so I don't think everyone knew the level of Weinstein's depravity such as the New Yorker audio. They have may have thought he was a creep but certainly not worth going up against given the amount of power he wields, particularly if they had no proof.
Terry Crews has come out and said he was groped by a male executive a while ago and that he refrained himself from lashing out at the guy.
Who the fecking feck gropes Terry Crews?
Who the fecking feck gropes Terry Crews?
You stole my thunder @VorZakone
Imagine how much power these men must have to be capable of even thinking about groping a man as huge and strong like that. Imagine how confident and sure of their power people like these must be. The fact that this man was not afraid of groping Terry Crews is so telling.
And here in this thread we have people
Harvey's wife is quite good looking by the way.
Huge stars coming out and speaking now he’s completely fecked.
A list stars saying nothing for years though is worrying, Hollywood truly does have a dirty underbelly that even the biggest of actors are afraid to speak of, I bet there’s all sorts of shit happening behind closed doors.
A list stars saying nothing for years though is worrying, Hollywood truly does have a dirty underbelly that even the biggest of actors are afraid to speak of, I bet there’s all sorts of shit happening behind closed doors.
I think you’ve got this just about right here.
For those of you still trying to understand why people didn’t come forward before now (I’m not aware how or why this has suddenly come out)........
Try and imagine that you, whether male or female, work for a large, famous company and for some reason you are alone with the company’s male MD or CEO (the most senior person there is). Imagine he suddenly sexually assaulted you or started w...king in front of you. You’re disgusted and shaken up. You don’t know what on earth to do or say. You finally get away and still feel shaken and embarrassed. You talk to the person closest to you. They think you should do something about it.
So, what do you do?
Complete assholes for ignoring the story for a decade.
Rumors they pushed with the story last week to beat the New Yorker's Farrow piece.
Quit...? Not an actor though, don't depend on "landing roles".
Hopefully some investigative journalists will dig deep into all this and uncover whats gone on. Will be a Pulitzer waiting for the ones who expose this network.
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Just listened to the audio. Feck sake.
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Now being reported NBC had the details on this in August and refused to publish 
They allowed Farrow to publish the story at another media outlet instead (New Yorker).
They allowed Farrow to publish the story at another media outlet instead (New Yorker).
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I think this is a good time to remind everyone that there's no way in hell Ronan Farrow isn't Frank Sinatra's son.
Ha well at least he inherited Woody Allen's sense of humor
I've read some crap in my time, but congratulations, because you've truly outdone yourself. This post is a special kind of stupid. The 'whatthefeckery?' on display here is quite outstanding. Take a bow.
That explains why Nick left. Never did see a reason for that.
I got very aggressively hit on by our head of HR once. He was 6'4" and I'm not Terry Crews. Did not go well.
I need to know how old you are before I even contemplate addressing that nonsense.
He hates liberals even though he supposedly is one
Don't bother. Waste of your time.
Rose McGowan is going in hard on Twitter. Jeff Bezos, the two Afflecks, Matt Damon... all in her firing line.
Likewise but there's so many guys like this. And guys like this are often operating on the misunderstanding that women who say "no" don't really mean it because all women, in these guys rather small minds, secretly want it. Add to this the power that this particular creep has and you've got an out of control sexual predator.
Jailtime required.
Just read up about Matt Damon, apparently he vouched for Fabrizio Lomardo which eventually led to an investigative piece on Lombardo being shelved. Sounds pretty bad but Damon says he never knew about the nature of the piece and only vouched for his personal interactions with Lombardo. The journalist, Sharon Waxman, confirmed what Matt Damon.
So if Jon Jonson's book rings true we should expect the tide to turn on Rose McGowan any day now.
Look at what they are alledging though. He had a quick grope when no one was looking and when they stopped him he moved on to his next target.
The casting couch idea has been famous for generations, and the idea that men, particularly ones who've just bought the meal, plied you with drinks, think they can try it on, is even older - and happens at all levels of society, and ranges from just a misunderstanding to an assault depending on how insistent the man is. It's not the basis of a court case, except one that might see the woman charged with libel and defamation.
Jolie herself says that she tried to warn others afterwards. The thing the women have going for them now, that makes it easier to come forward, is sheer weight of numbers. Up until that point, many will feel the weight of embarrassment, guilt, the sensation that somehow they invited it by being too friendly, too flirty. Some will even feel that in their attempt to sell only their talent, they did trip his response.
And that's before we even talk about the impact a man with power, money and clearly a whole network of influence could have had on their careers.
And then those women see a guy like Cosby being accused by a shitload of women and he doesn‘t even go to jail. The victims have so little to gain and so much to lose here.
Oh great, the "don't believe your lying eyes" defence. Your posts are there for everyone to see and I can't be bothered to go through this again with you. I think most people in this thread have an idea of what's been going on. Even Buchan gets it.
You've clearly got a brain but people with such overt predilections for syllables, flowery prose and absurdly verbose contributions (DYSWIDT?) tend to be those who have insecurities about themselves and in particular their intellects. This might be you, this might not, but you really need to take your foot off the gas. By all means flex your vocabulary and entertain us with a delicious turn of phrase when appropriate but in general tone it down. Seriously. Less is more.
As for the following:
You're either trolling like a trooper or are genuinely next level batshit crazy. If the former I've got some great news for you. At some point in the future you'll grow up a bit, mature, and realise you've wasted a lot of time. If the latter, and you really do have one arm in the straitjacket, then I heartily recommend you go and do some reading on John Anthony West and his theories on alternative history. You'll love it. He's the L Ron Hubbard of Egyptology.
Feel free to respond but I'm not going to be taking this thread off-track anymore. I'm done with pivots and partisan lenses. It's time to focus on the real issues this story raises.
Rose McGowen going mad on Twitter, told Affleck to feck off and branded him a liar saying he told her ''Goddammit I told you not to do that!'' about coming out with the accusations.
The scary part to me in all this is the amount of people who know about what's happening but aren't doing anything to stop it. Huge triple A mega stars keeping quiet while co workers are getting sexually assaulted and worse, it's fecking crazy.
The scary part to me in all this is the amount of people who know about what's happening but aren't doing anything to stop it. Huge triple A mega stars keeping quiet while co workers are getting sexually assaulted and worse, it's fecking crazy.
That audio recording is worse than I expected. Horrible, manipulative beg of a guy. Don't want to imagine what he's like when he goes further.
Bit of a random contribution but I went on a tour of New Zealand on a bus in 1999. There was an English girl on that same bus who was travelling back to the Uk from the states having spent 6 months working as an assistant for Harvey Weinstein. She said she quit her job once she realised he was "an absolute pig of a man". Kind of wish I'd probed for more details. I just assumed he'd been rude to her. So there you go. That's a hell of a long time he's spent being nasty to women. What a cnut.