Why is it a male problem? They are sociopaths, who just happen to be men. It's no more a male problem than terrorism is an Islamic problem.
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I could be wrong, but I've yet to see a woman get taken down over this. I've seen plenty of non Islamic terrorists though.
I've also seen plenty of men who aren't sex offenders, and plenty of muslims who aren't terrorists. It just seems daft to call it a problem with men, when the majority of men think it's as fecked up as everyone else.
I would say that it's more about power than men. We live in a culture where powerful people are given a lot of leeway and they use it, you could and probably should argue that our society being historically patriarchal has put men in positions of power more often than not but it doesn't change the fact that the problem is one of power.
Poor attitudes towards women by males is a global issue and can probably be found in every second household worldwide. I have grown up with it in my surroundings, I hear derogatory terms every time I meet my football team and I witness destructive male culture at the work place and more. My wife, more qualified than I am, has a much tougher time being taken seriously than I do, for instance. The things she has to suffer, and has had to suffer, make my life look like a piece of cake.
I have never been followed by drunk old men on the streets who scream that they want to feck me. I have never received text messages asking me to participate in a project for it to look good for “gender balance”. I have never been mistaken by a group of men for being the secretary when I enter a meeting with male two co workers.
Men as a collective need to empower women in every aspect, from not being silent when someone is treated poorly to giving women more space to talk, in order for us to construct a more equal society. So yes, this is a male problem. If you do not want to see it, you are either blind or selfish.
Absolutely, power is key to abuse. Therefore, it is important to empower those who are not in power - most often women. Men as a whole need to hand over that power and not just wait for a politician to fix things.
Depends on what you're referring to really. That tweet you mentioned was talking about sexual harassment in the work place, this thread was initially created in response to high profile cases of sexual abuse, the overall discussion has moved on to sexual harasment/violence generally. Each a slightly different issue, I think.
If we're talking about the latter (society-wide sexual violence) then it very much is a male problem imo. Pointing out that men are currently and historically more likely to be rapists or that women are more likely to suffer from sexual violence isn't discriminating against men, it's stating reality.
While we can quite easily point to times when Islamic extremists weren't the primary terrorist threat (the era of Irish bombings in the UK, for example) we can't really do the same regarding men and sexual violence.
Beyond that direct link, society is genrally rigged in men's favour. There's no getting away from the gender power imbalance that male predators are able to exploit.
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That's the thing. Why make it a gender problem? You and I don't have any hatred in that area, as can be seen by your post. For me it's not a male problem, it's a dickhead problem. You're either a dickhead or you're not, you know? It doesn't have to be male vs female.
I'm not arguing with the facts. Men are by far more likely to commit a sex crime, but that doesn't make it a problem with men. Men are more likely to be the victims of domestic abuse than women are, but that doesn't make it an all-round female issue. There's people out there beating their spouses up, who just happen to be female. But they're still cnuts first and foremost.
The problem for me is that when you look at the origin of this thread you could easily make the argument that it is a white problem because while there are people from the ethnic minorities they are overwhelmed by white males. But we all know that it's not the problem and that even if you decided to put other ethnicities in positions of powers, you would still have the unchecked power issue.
In my opinion, we need to stop with that nonsense, it doesn't even provide any solution because the core problem is the unchecked exercise of power. And the problem goes beyond sexual abuse, it also concerns mental abuse.
Men are far more likely to kill their spouses than vice versa. No, all men aren’t spouse killers, but in order to understand why men are far more likely to both get into positions of power and into prisons, we might need to study the gender aspect of it all.
Why are there so many more powerful and/or violent men? Clearly there must be something wrong biologically and culturally. We can’t do anything about the biology of ourselves or other men, but we can do something about the destructive masculinity which clearly exists. We are all affected by it, and uphold it, to a certain extent. That doesn’t make you or me abusers, but we have more power to change a destructive male culture, whether it’s in the locker room or at work, than a woman has. This doesn’t mean that women can’t uphold destructive cultures, but clearly men are doing worse than women in this aspect. So yes, this is a gender problem.
The "it's just a dickhead" argument deliberately ignores the fact that most of these dickheads are men. Doing that prevents you from being able to address issues (cultural, societal or whatever) that lead or allow more men to commit these acts. Saying it's a dickhead problem rather than a male problem just seems like claiming coincidence in the face of an overwhelming pattern.
Men aren't far more likely to commit sexual violence by pure fluke, there has to be an actual underlying reason for the numbers being so heavily weighted in that direction. The same would apply to your example of domestic violence too, I'd imagine.
Even if you don't want to call it a male problem, it remains a societal issue whose negative effects are heavily weighted against women, involving the deliberate actions of mostly male perpetrators, which men are also in a stronger position to address. That will inevitably make it a male problem in many people's eyes.
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Yeah, so call out dickheads when you see them. Hang people like Weinstein out to dry, and expose sexism, nepotism and other old-fashioned attitudes wherever they still exist. That's the way to combat this sort of thing, not blaming the gender most of them belong to. There are men that aren't sexist assholes, there are men that can control their apparent rabid libidos, and there are men who don't abuse their positions of power in society. Just because more of one group does something, doesn't make the problem limited to that group, and nor is membership of that group the underlying cause.
Yes, it does. Because it's a daft point. Just like how every new terror thread that pops up in the CE deliberately ignores the faith of the terrorist if they happen to be a Muslim. The reason being is, it's largely irrelevant. They don't speak for the majority, so how can it be indicative of the wider population? I don't see why the group to which they belong is now suddenly relevant. You can't have your cake and eat it.
Muslims are just the latest in a long line of groups to be seen as the principle terrorist threat though, which somewhat undermines the idea that it is a muslim problem. Whereas as far as I can see men have always been the most likely perpetrators of sexual violence, which rather underlines the idea that it is a male problem. It's a pretty inexact comparison in that sense.
Plus even with that in mind, I wouldn't usually push the "it has nothing to do with their religion" argument in terrorism threads either.
#NotAllMen is back I see
Fully agree. Blaming men in general for a few blokes actions is just wrong. Some blokes are pure dickheads, plenty more are decent people who know how to conduct themselves.
Media is on such a quest to turn everyone against each other.
A few blokes in this scenario are millions, if not billions, of blokes. You don't wind up with the majority of people on the planet being sexually abused if it's just a handful. And the "not me y u make this about men" bullshit needs to feck off.
I don't feel stereotyped at all. It's clearly a male problem which is not the same as it's an all males problem.
Funny that, I’ve seen you typecast ‘The Left’, feminists, the LGBT community and ‘twittermob’ and many more groups of individuals.
But of course, on this issue you get sensitive.
If there were just a million sexual predators in the world, and the world sexual abuse rate was lower than it is (lets say just under 50%, or 3 and a half billion victims), that would mean each predator is abusing 3500 people. That's clearly not right.
reads breitbart, talks about logical inconsistencies. lol
To me the problem is societal and includes men and women, men and women have the solution. In most of our societies men are in charge and it's something that is promoted by both men and women, a men that is not in charge is generally seen as a lesser men by women. That leads to men being in charge outside of home too and particularly at work, at work our societies created a sort of servitude where the boss, is an all powerful creature that can't and shouldn't be challenged, that leads us to bosses abusing their employees, some do it sexually others do it mentally or a combination of both.
That's why I don't like the way this debate is turning because we are reducing a big societal problem into a battle of sex that will never fix the problem. To fix it we need to create a society where "You are the woman of the house" and "feck off boss" are totally natural sentences.
That's why I don't like the way this debate is turning because we are reducing a big societal problem into a battle of sex that will never fix the problem. To fix it we need to create a society where "You are the woman of the house" and "feck off boss" are totally natural sentences.
This response was full of logical inconsistencies because you’ve just contradicted yourself.
Firstly it was ‘This is the only social issue where typecasting is totally fine’ and now ‘typecasting is a fundamental human behaviour’, so which is it?
Also, If you didn’t care, you wouldn’t have felt the need to try and point it out.
Finally, you partake in typecasting more frequently than a lot of people, and that’s just from me seeing you’re posts on here every now and then.
You've posted their stories in the PC thread.
Coming from you? Yes
I think everyone understands that typecasting happens naturally.
This issue is quite possibly one of the clearest cases that’s skewed heavily towards one specific demographic and has been that way for centuries, so it’s much more understandable why typecasting happens.
It’s also predictable to see how many get ‘sensitive’ at the generalisation, while being happy to generalise other groups frequently.
Indeed. The reality is that the "few blokes" who are doing this likely extend into most people's social circle. Even more so if we widen the conversation beyond sexual assault to sexual harassment in general. The notion that a few bad apples are ruining it for men generally rather underplays the prevalence of the problem.
Which obviously isn't to say all or most men are the problem. In fact it's immensely irritating to see so many of those who are exposed say "we all have lessons to learn" when most men already know not to behave like scumbags.
Even still, the reality is that the men are overwhelmingly more likely to be the perpetrators of sexual violence and women are overwhelmingly more likely to be the victims. Ignoring gender in an issue that's so heavily weighted in terms of gender would be very silly. Even if you don't think it's an inherently male problem, it's clear that something is skewing the reality of sexual violence in that direction.
I'm glad you finally found a second reference. It's like saying you got your story from the mail rather than the express, but good job.
We all need to be involved in changing cultures as fathers and mothers etc.
On holiday i was in the pool and a 4 year old boy swam up an pinched his dad's bum under the water in a playful way.
Dad reacted jokingly but told him he should be pinching girls bottoms.
Then the mum came over and started saying "yeah jake- which girls have the prettiest bottoms?" She went on like this for 5 minutes. I was shocked more at the mothers reaction, expecting that sort of stuff from a man i suppose.
We need to be better role models to boys and girls to address this.
On holiday i was in the pool and a 4 year old boy swam up an pinched his dad's bum under the water in a playful way.
Dad reacted jokingly but told him he should be pinching girls bottoms.
Then the mum came over and started saying "yeah jake- which girls have the prettiest bottoms?" She went on like this for 5 minutes. I was shocked more at the mothers reaction, expecting that sort of stuff from a man i suppose.
We need to be better role models to boys and girls to address this.
The homophobia knocked a few IQ points too, so I can see why you're so spectacularly wrong about everything.
Am I weird for thinking that doesn't sound that bad at all? (The holiday story)
Bloody hell, just stop posting already. You've already embarrassed yourself enough. I can only cringe so much.
Do you think that your daughter's ass should be pinched? Do you think that she should be okay with it?
The story doesn't imply that the parents actively tried to make the boy pinch girls. It came across as just playful talking with a 4 year old boy. I wouldn't say it's harmless behavior but not that shocking either.
You should take a break from making such shitty analogies.
Do you talk like this to people in real life, or just on the internet? You clearly haven't been socialized well enough if you think this is the right way to communicate your point. I'm sure your mates on Reddit think you're well cool, but to the rest of us it's all a little bit pathetic.
4chan is more likely. His claim to (dubious)fame was the Gamergate stuff, after all.