Celebrity Allegations, #MeToo etc
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Exactly my reading of it. From his perspective he's only known Louis as a good guy so what's he meant to do in response to that kind of thing?
Potentially dangerous assumption in the current climate but I really can't see Jon Stewart being someone who would knowingly cover up for something like this. Same goes for Colbert who I saw mentioned previously as a friend of Louis.
Assault is massively stretching the definition. So is abuse. The only incident that would qualify is if he in fact pushed a woman into a stall, and when he apologized for that, the woman denied it ever happened.
His behavior is weird and problematic, indicative of a lack of norms in Hollywood, however this is classic overreaction in the heels of a scandal where any incident is jumped on.
The allegations have been out there for years. At first anonymously, but more recently he had been named directly by established female comedians. A comedy writer on Twitter today said everyone knew about the Aspen story. So it's safe to assume his closest friends would have heard the allegations at the very least. And it's quite likely they're more allegations out there that haven't been made public yet.
I guess it comes down to what you think a person's obligation is once they find out their friend regularly engages in sexual abuse. It's tricky since none of us know what conversations were had in private. Maybe they confronted him years ago and he got help. Is it better to stick by your friend in those circumstances or cut the chord? Or maybe they chose the easy option of ignoring/choosing not the believe the allegations; that is almost as bad as a cover up in my opinion.
I had no idea. What about his martial arts background? I thought that it basically instilled some sense of discipline in an individual.
There are degrees.
If your friend is a Sandusky/Saville level of pedophile/serial rapist, I think you should go to the cops. Do not pass Go, do not collect $200. And if he's beyond help, at the very least you should question your association with him.
If he wanks in front of women? It's less drastic and more of a "dude, just watch some Brazzers. Now about that $30 you owe me..." conversation.
I do know if I've binned every friend of mine who's made a misstep in their lives I'd be friendless. It's a ridiculous expectation.
More "What the feck Louis, stop getting your dick out and wanking in front of other comedians."
Yeah absolutely. Given these occurred a long time ago, who's to say those conversations weren't had?
LAPD dropped the Corey Fieldman case because it's out of statute.
https://news.sky.com/story/former-child-actors-reveal-sexual-abuse-in-hollywood-11110821
Former child actor talks about abuse, and being blacklisted from hollywood while his abuser returned to filmmaking.
Former child actor talks about abuse, and being blacklisted from hollywood while his abuser returned to filmmaking.
Funnily enough, the Drawn Together facebook page said something about Louis CK being one of these types a few weeks ago. I'll try and find the link for it...
EDIT - found it:
EDIT - found it:
This yew-tree style Hollywood scandal has been waiting to drop for about a decade. I honestly thought it would be another 10-20 years until it actually happened. It'll be a huge cover up when everything is said and done, it's something that will go right up through the upper echelons of society and key authority figures will be involved and when you look at the struggles the operation is having in England, you know it will be 20 times more crooked in America.
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During the election, my flat earth believing friend would occasionally get on a kick about how the Hollywood and D.C. types were paedophiles. I dismissed it then, but damnit, then all this starts shaking out.
Broken clock principle I guess.
During the election, my flat earth believing friend would occasionally get on a kick about how the Hollywood and D.C. types were paedophiles. I dismissed it then, but damnit, then all this starts shaking out.
Broken clock principle I guess.
I think what's weird is that we have a higher estimation of performers' mental states than we should. Almost every actor and comedian I know (amateur obviously but I'm sure it holds up) have underlying mental issues making them highly vulnerable to themselves. As far as I'm concerned, the will to get up on stage, want that sort of attention, and do their act is contingent on a need for reciprocation from others clearly stemming from some deeper issues. If you're a normal person with a completely perfect moral guide then you're probably not a performer - except for on the weekend.
I'm not saying we should forgive and forget but the media seems to be spinning this story as 'normal dude does something completely mental and should be punished'. I'm not sure it's fair or right or smart or sensible to look at it that way. Then again, I don't think what Louis C.K. did is okay either but I think he's being judged on a slew of recent egregious incidents involving performers rather than just himself.
Ms. Corry, a comedian, writer and actress, has long felt haunted by her run-in with Louis C.K. In 2005, she was working as a performer and producer on a television pilot — a big step in her career — when Louis C.K., a guest star, approached her as she was walking to the set. “He leaned close to my face and said, ‘Can I ask you something?’ I said, ‘Yes,’” Ms. Corry said in a written statement to The New York Times. “He asked if we could go to my dressing room so he could masturbate in front of me.” Stunned and angry, Ms. Corry said she declined, and pointed out that he had a daughter and a pregnant wife. “His face got red,” she recalled, “and he told me he had issues.” (Source: NYT)
The guy sounds nuts.
I'm not saying we should forgive and forget but the media seems to be spinning this story as 'normal dude does something completely mental and should be punished'. I'm not sure it's fair or right or smart or sensible to look at it that way. Then again, I don't think what Louis C.K. did is okay either but I think he's being judged on a slew of recent egregious incidents involving performers rather than just himself.
Ms. Corry, a comedian, writer and actress, has long felt haunted by her run-in with Louis C.K. In 2005, she was working as a performer and producer on a television pilot — a big step in her career — when Louis C.K., a guest star, approached her as she was walking to the set. “He leaned close to my face and said, ‘Can I ask you something?’ I said, ‘Yes,’” Ms. Corry said in a written statement to The New York Times. “He asked if we could go to my dressing room so he could masturbate in front of me.” Stunned and angry, Ms. Corry said she declined, and pointed out that he had a daughter and a pregnant wife. “His face got red,” she recalled, “and he told me he had issues.” (Source: NYT)
The guy sounds nuts.
Aye either that or the Earth is actually flat?
I think him misremembering which particular incident of sexual assault/harassment he perpetrated against which woman hardly paints him a better light.
Also, I've seen a few people mention 'overreaction', I'm intrigued to know what would constitute a more suitable reaction to this incident? Louis CK wanking naked in front of you would be more than just a pathetic scene, it would be pretty disturbing.
That would be an unexpected twist that would leave many of us with egg on our faces..
Is that what happened? He hasn't come out to deny or confirm that so I'm not jumping on it.
I think a more sensible reaction happened when the rumors first occurred a few years ago. I remember reading it and saying, "huh, that's weird of him (if true)", and that was it. Now everything is being viewed through the Weinstein lens and being inflated as necessary to that level.
He obviously just can't remember what he did to which woman, which has put him further in the shitter.
Yeah it's miles away from what Weinstein has done, but his actions warrant far more than just a 'huh, that's weird' sort of reaction. The bottom line is he's performed a sexual act involving others without consent. He's fecked it.
Agreed. He's all done.
It’s weird.
First time I went to New York, a homeless guy followed me and my group of friends on to the subway (it was about 1am) had his hand in his trousers the entire time, then sat across us and started masturbating in front of us.
When we tried to leave he got up and stood in front of us, and we were all just shocked and frozen scared he was going to touch one of us.
It wasn’t until the train pulled up to the next station that he backed down and moved further into the carriage away from us.
When we reached our stop he was still following us as we were walking back to our airb&b, at that point he grabbed my hand and tried to get it to touch his penis - we all screamed and ran away. We were all shaken up and didn’t sleep well that night, and also stopped taking the subway past midnight too unless we had a male companion with us.
Not disregarding those who have been harassed/abused, but this seems a witch hunt.
Witch hunt or belated exposing of sexual predators in American media. I'll go with the latter.
That is terrifying.
It was beyond scary, definitely changed my enjoyment and experience of taking the subway too.
But goes to show this behaviour is more common than previously thought at least.
Now I just read that HBO is pulling all his prior content from the on-demand service, which I feel is unjust to the consumer. I would prefer to be left to decide whether I watch any Louis CK content again per my own judgement.
I guess its just the climate nowadays... but am reminded that Roman Polanski has been a fugitive, convicted rapist for 40 years now and still gets to shoot movies. So, hypocrisy, etc etc...
I guess its just the climate nowadays... but am reminded that Roman Polanski has been a fugitive, convicted rapist for 40 years now and still gets to shoot movies. So, hypocrisy, etc etc...
Perhaps because of the emphasis they place on 'correct' thinking and talking, liberals never seem to appreciate the distinction between words and deeds. As if they genuinely believed that the primary signature of virtue is a modulated stream of warm air emitted by an orifice underneath the nose.
It’s a thread of tweets.
Apparently there has been stories about him for years.
I feel we should have different threads for these, a lot of different offences being mingled together in here. While i've never been a fan of Louis C.K, the allegations made against him are clearly not of the same severity as some of the others posted in this thread. I'm not trying to defend him or his actions in any way, clearly what he's done is immoral, and against the law (at least where I live, and I'd imagine in every US State as well), but it isn't the same ballpark as rape or sexual extortion.
A quick google search taught me that because indecent exposure is a misdemeanor, the statute of limitations is usually around 3 years. So unless he's done it more recently that what has been alleged so far, they couldn't even go after him on that.
"Yeah. Wank in front of schoolgirls on buses like everybody else."
So Rose McGowan tweeted that when men spoke up about sexual abuse the perpetrators was punished immediately but when women spoke up nobody believes it.
I don't understand the need to create divisions between genders at time like this. Nobody believes Corey Haim and it cost him his life
I don't understand the need to create divisions between genders at time like this. Nobody believes Corey Haim and it cost him his life
Indeed.
I would imagine that a lot of women already feel that a division between gender exists given they're far more likely to be the victims of incidents like this and men are far more likely to be the perpetrators.
Generally I agree though, it isn't the most helpful line to take on these issues.
What on Earth is wrong with these scumbags that they feel the need to foist themselves upon victims with such regularity? Their transparent and thinly-veiled attempts at virtue-signalling and being 'good guys' is the most galling part about all this. These bastards lecture everyday people about what's morally acceptable and not, and here they are - being predators - in their own private lives.
It's a mark of the historical powerlessness of women & the craven manner in which their valid complaints are deliberately belittled: if a husband has an affair, we all laugh when his wife cuts up his suits (though many men think "she's mad..."); if she's opinionated about it, she's " hysterical. Women always make a fuss about nothing"...and so on. Lacking power, it's no wonder they're obliged to 'feel' rather than act.
That's awful. Do you think self defence training would have helped you in that situation or was it just too weird.?
Unless that self defence training is carrying a gun everywhere, I think it's fair to assume the overwhelming majority of women will say it's too creepy and they don't want to physically engage these guys.
There’s at least one person in this thread
It's incredibly ironic that some describe this as a 'witch hunt'.