Yes, but as you said, it doesn't make them guilty of anything. There's the feeling of intimidation, and the act of purposefully intimidating. They're not on a 1=1 relation, and only the latter is criminal and/or immoral (so is jerking off in front of unwilling spectators).
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Yes, but as you said, it doesn't make them guilty of anything. There's the feeling of intimidation, and the act of purposefully intimidating. They're not on a 1=1 relation, and only the latter is criminal and/or immoral (so is jerking off in front of unwilling spectators).
I agree with that - whilst you can feel intimidated by something innocuous, the focus can only be on the intent of the initial act. Otherwise it becomes trivial.
It's a bit of a moot point anyway, almost everyone agrees that wanking in front an unwilling audience is sexual harassment/assault.
http://time.com/5016904/ed-westwick-aurelie-wynn-rape/
Gossip Girl actor Ed Westwick has now been accused of rape by two women.
Gossip Girl actor Ed Westwick has now been accused of rape by two women.
First point, fair enough. As for bringing up flowers, it was a reply to Silva's idea of feelings = reality no matter what. We can't base laws and judgements around individual feelings, whatever they may be.
Anyway, my viewpoints could have been argued in many other threads, so it might not have been wise of me to bring it up right in the middle of a relatively sensitive (and important) subject.
That's how human interaction works. If we go for coffee tomorrow and I have an amazing time, while you're bored shitless neither experience is wrong. And that's not how laws are made anyway. You don't go to the police and say "I felt sexually assaulted" you say "this specific thing happened", whatever the thing(s).
The point of that article is that Louis CK wanks in front of unwilling participants, which almost everyone with 2 braincells recognises is creepy as feck. And is covered in indecent exposure and sexual harassment laws.
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The stuff we've read about in the past weeks covers a fair bit of ground. It's obvious that , if true, the actions of Spacey, and particularly Weinstein fall into the realm of criminality. But whether some of the things other people have been charged with can be labelled assault or even harassment isn't so certain.
The incident with the two women and Louis C. K. for instance. The context was social, he wasn't their boss or offering them employment, and they weren't chained to their chairs and could have left the room at any time. Why didn't they? And why did they feel impelled to tell everybody they could find afterwards? And if they chose to do so, why be surprised that the guy's agent, whose job it is to protect his interests, objected to them dragging his client though the mud?
It's clear that the guy is a disturbed individual with serious problems which lead him into crass and objectionable behaviour. But is it any more than that?
It's sexual harassment at the very least, maybe even sexual assault depending on local laws.
Its at least a career ender for him regardless of where on the scale this falls in
And before people post, yes I know this was a part of his show and isn't real.
There isn't going to be any male stars/directors/execs left after this is done
Next they’ll be telling us Ghandi was a pervert.
Had no idea about public masturbation, but it seems a lot of women are subjected to it. In Kerala (India), the homeland of @girish, many friends I know said men start wanking off when sitting next to them on the bus. Truly bizzare. How do you even ejaculate then? Carry a sock or something?
He was well known for poking people in the bottom.
His nickname was Goosy Goosy Ghandi, apparently.
They probably wipe them in their lungi or so?
While I have some sympathy with the idea that simply wanking in front of someone doesn't necessarily constitute abuse if the object of said wank is perfectly able to escape the situation, I've absolutely none with the idea that anyone should be somehow duty bound to keep silent about it, lest they embarrass the wanker. That’s a bizarre attitude to have IMO.
If I whipped my dick out on the train I wouldn't expect the whole cartridge to take it to their graves. In fact if I whipped my dick out at anyone who hadn't specifically asked for or consented to it, I'd probably expect them to tell the very next person they saw! Why wouldn't I? Unless I was the kind of person who took it for granted that there was some implicit culture of silence that allowed, nay encouraged me to indulge in my weird non consensual dick whipping fetishes.
What obligation is the victim under to keep schtum exactly? Since when has it become poor form to grass up perverts?
If I whipped my dick out on the train I wouldn't expect the whole cartridge to take it to their graves. In fact if I whipped my dick out at anyone who hadn't specifically asked for or consented to it, I'd probably expect them to tell the very next person they saw! Why wouldn't I? Unless I was the kind of person who took it for granted that there was some implicit culture of silence that allowed, nay encouraged me to indulge in my weird non consensual dick whipping fetishes.
What obligation is the victim under to keep schtum exactly? Since when has it become poor form to grass up perverts?
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Louis CK's publicist is named Lewis Kay. That's something.
I don't think being able to escape the abuse negates it. The natural reaction would be to freeze in shock/terror and worry they might get physical if you try and run.
Yep, that’s true. That’s why I said “necessarily” tbf, as every situation would be different. In that one, it would clearly be an upsetting dynamic.
Chris Rock would have had new dental work inbound.
I think the only one you could make a case for Louis is the one where he asks a woman if they can go to her dressing room, she declines and he appears to apologise on the spot. He obviously knows it's wrong, but he asked her to consent at least, and while you'd be creeped out if you were the woman, there's not a lot wrong with that.
The other stuff? It's clearly harassment imo. Taking two women to your cramped hotel room, giving them alcohol, taking off your clothes and masturbating right in their faces? That's definitely not normal behaviour.
Shame. He's a really funny guy, but he's clearly got issues.
The other stuff? It's clearly harassment imo. Taking two women to your cramped hotel room, giving them alcohol, taking off your clothes and masturbating right in their faces? That's definitely not normal behaviour.
Shame. He's a really funny guy, but he's clearly got issues.
More disappointed with his friends like Jon Stewart tbh. I still remember him being asked a question about this by a student when he did the podcast with David Axelrod at University of Chicago and judging from his reply then and what we know now, he clearly knew all along.
Yes that moment has been stuck in my head too.
Bloody hell. You should have socked that twat's mug right there. I'd have been livid if that had happened to me.
The Louis one if fecking weird, it's like something right out of his show.
There's alot of people in the showbiz world shitting themselves now, I feel there will be many more stories to come in the following weeks.
Poor Netflix! there flagship show House of Cards is in ruins and they only signed a deal with Louis CK earlier this year to release his stand up specials.
There's alot of people in the showbiz world shitting themselves now, I feel there will be many more stories to come in the following weeks.
Poor Netflix! there flagship show House of Cards is in ruins and they only signed a deal with Louis CK earlier this year to release his stand up specials.
That Louis C.K stuff is fecked up. It is absolutely sexual harassment and a disgusting abuse of power but at the same time is strangely sad and pathetic. The way when challenged he just goes red and admits he has 'issues'; rather than with bombast, violence or threats. Sad, pathetic and almost laughable, serious though it is.
As an aside to the Spacey stuff, Ridley Scott and his producers are to have Christopher Plummer replace Spacey's scenes in the upcoming film All The Money in the World:http://deadline.com/2017/11/kevin-s...plummer-ridley-scott-j-paul-getty-1202204437/
Pretty crazy stuff considering they will reshoot and reedit in six weeks to meet the originally-planned release date. But I suppose it's good to see Hollywood reacting positively even if there is obviously a selfish motive in defending their film.
As an aside to the Spacey stuff, Ridley Scott and his producers are to have Christopher Plummer replace Spacey's scenes in the upcoming film All The Money in the World:http://deadline.com/2017/11/kevin-s...plummer-ridley-scott-j-paul-getty-1202204437/
Pretty crazy stuff considering they will reshoot and reedit in six weeks to meet the originally-planned release date. But I suppose it's good to see Hollywood reacting positively even if there is obviously a selfish motive in defending their film.
yeah it seems there is a different issue at play here than standard sexual predator activity. Like a sexual predator but with low self esteem - I know you wont want to have sex with me but would you mind if i just jerked off a little.
I know I shouldn't but
That's such a weird/funny image.Ironically, it's the sort of humour Louis CK would put in his stand-up or tv show.
I know I shouldn't but
Ironically, it's the sort of humour Louis CK would put in his stand-up or tv show.
I wonder if this will have any effect on other comedians writings. It was close to the bone stuff and close to the truth, most comedians write from experience and you just assume that the worst of it is a critique of society rather than introspection.
I wonder if any other comedians will start to think “perhaps I’ll leave that one out, I don’t want people thinking...”
I have not seen a lot of chatter suggesting that these women should have not made such a big deal about this. But questions has to be asked about general comedy hollywood scene which seemingly turned a blind eye to this stuff. Mike Schurr has come out and apologized for ignoring these rumours and working with Louie. Response of Pamela Adlon will be interesting.
Louis CK is a surprising one. Whilst his act can be very crass in a sexual manner, he's often projected a genuine support for womens rights in his routines, acknowledging the predatory and violent behavior women face at the hands of piece of shit men in the several bits he's done on it. To find out he's the piece of shit is quite strange. For me, definitely the most surprising of all the celebrities who have been outed as being sexual abusers in the last year or so.
Then again, I've personally not heard or paid attention to anything about him outside of his comedy, but I always pegged him as a good guy, especially as he's done a lot of work with women like Amy Poehler, Tina Fey, Pam Adlon, who are all outspoken on womens issues, who I would expect to have distanced themselves from working with any man they had any sort of doubt about. Tina Fey especially has refused to work with quite a number of people in the past. Have there been rumours about Louis CK being an abuser, or is this right out of nowhere?
Then again, I've personally not heard or paid attention to anything about him outside of his comedy, but I always pegged him as a good guy, especially as he's done a lot of work with women like Amy Poehler, Tina Fey, Pam Adlon, who are all outspoken on womens issues, who I would expect to have distanced themselves from working with any man they had any sort of doubt about. Tina Fey especially has refused to work with quite a number of people in the past. Have there been rumours about Louis CK being an abuser, or is this right out of nowhere?
From the written version of that I'm not seeing anything to suggest Stewart had any knowledge of it.
There's that scene in bad lieutenant which is completely disturbing and horrific, can't image having to go through something similar. Also you can see easier men have it, that my reference to this sort of situation is a 90's movie.
I remember hearing about this stuff a few years back(Just by reading some posts on a comedy forum).
I watched the video and it's impossible to tell. He handled it very well regardless of whatever knowledge he might have had. He didn't shoot the kid who asked down and wasn't too harsh in ridiculing him over the quality of his sources considering it's a very serious allegation about a close friend of his.
It seems that so many of the people we've enjoyed watching or listening to have big feet of clay. I get the feeling that there's a massive unravelling of everything about to happen.