Celebrity Allegations, #MeToo etc
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I’d be more shocked if something doesn’t come out about those twoI'm going to be gutted if shit comes out about the Chuckle brothers when they're gone
Reports today that Lisa Bloom initially hatched a plan to discredit all of the women implicating Weinstein before deciding this was a cover-up too far and ditched him. Amazing how job opportunities and money cloud people's moral judgement.
No, not SPs appearing on Fox News; the only one I recall is Hannity having O'Reilly on recently. As for clarification, just noticing your quickness to jump on the liberal crowd while not quite jumping on the conservative crowd for its collective hypocrisy and double-standards.
The fact that Fox News has had numerous internal problems, has paid out millions in settlements and had persons sign non-disclosure agreements, and yet still has hundreds of persons employed and numerous GOP members (and non-GOP persons as well) appearing on segments, doesn't draw your ire near as much as liberals in Hollywood. Fascinating stuff that, init?
And religion... what right-wing America seemingly claims to have as their moral superiority over left-wing America, despite the fact that 3/4 of the nation claim to be religious. All those molestation and rape cases & allegations, the prosperity preaching thieves, ilk like Robertson and the racism and fear-mongering, the top evangelicals conveniently leaving out their supposed morals to support a president that openly admitted to sexually assaulting women, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. No condemnation of religious persons and religion itself?
This level of 'whatsboutism' is something Russia in the Cold War would be proud of.
Sexual predators are scumbags and have no place in society, let alone in the upper echelons of said society.
I don't know what more needs to be said.
Of course it would, Buchan, as it fits your narrative. Cheerio!
I have no narrative. This is a thread about Harvey Weinstein and his deplorable actions. Why are you, and others, trying to derail it with thinly-veiled, political-charged distractions?
https://www.thewrap.com/media-enablers-harvey-weinstein-new-york-times/
Great top comment from that article:
Great top comment from that article:
Well I don't have a direct link anymore as we the article was pulled. Here's the crux of it:
http://world.breaking.e-catworld.com/news/piers-morgan-meryl-streeps-silence-about-harvey-says-all
It was kind of interesting to see Morgan go direct to condemn the supposed lack of condemnation. I hope he had the time to condemn his "friend Harvey"
Which kind of brings another point. If supposedly Weinstein being a sexual deviant was common knowledge in tinseltown, why didn't the journos expose him? Even now it looks like it was his own brother who provided the framework for the NYT article. Why didn't a journo like Morgan confront him, not like he worked in Hollywood despite the tweet above. I suppose it's hard to do journalism when you are busy sucking the cocks of fat rich American men.
On your point of it being too late? Late for what exactly. Are you going to stop watching movies because Hollywood celebrities haven't condemned people to your liking? After this weekend, it's not such a bad thing people waited till all the facts came out. On a side note, I'm looking forward to watching the Blade Runner film but I have yet to see any form of condemnation from Harrison Ford yet.
I thought the same as you when I read this tweet. Now I've just seen it was in response to Trump telling reporters at the white house that he's "known Weinstein for many years and I'm not surprised at all to see it".
That man has zero fecking sense of self awareness or shame. He's been literally caught on tape speaking about assaulting women and he has the gall to weigh in on a conversation involving someone else.
It would be like OJ telling reporters how guilty he feels Pistorius was.
I think this comment sums it up quite well.
I don't really want to comment on the political angle of it but I find it horrifying that just how easily the rich people of the world can bury any evil things that they've done.
What are you babbling about? My posts to you were in response to your pathetically cliched victim blaming and naive view that a powerful predator like Weinstein couldn't hold any leverage over his victims. Which, of course, is nonsense. Instead of acknowledging that you've done what all good bullshit artists do, pivoted away and strung together some garbled rhetoric filled with outrage.
You reckon liberals condemn conservatives when negative stories on them are made public? No shit sherlock. But conservatives never do that themselves do they? Of course not. Great point. Oh and Hollywood sometimes makes films about women's rights, people there are generally progressive but underneath the surface it's a sleazy town? Equally ground breaking points and definitely relevant to our previous exchange. Thanks. Is your real name Kellyanne?
This is not a liberal or conservative issue despite you and numerous others online painting it as such. There are many questions to ask of those who enabled this behaviour either through their actions or their silence but it's utterly pathetic that people like you are so desperate to use this story for your own ends. It's about right and wrong, not right and left.
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I don't blame victims but I don't completely defend them either, my own experience in life has learned me that women don't mind certain stuff if it helps their career. Now I'm sure there are lots of women who truly felt vulnerable and weak because of these predatory men in Hollywood and I'm glad there's finally a mainstream scandal about it. It's about time the secrets of Hollywood get revealed step by step including the child abuse.
Sharon Wexman of the Wrap saying that she wanted to run the story on this for New York Times in 2004(she used to work there) but the story was killed off by several influential people including Matt Damon and Russell Crowe.
https://www.thewrap.com/media-enablers-harvey-weinstein-new-york-times/
https://www.thewrap.com/media-enablers-harvey-weinstein-new-york-times/
Wrong, in general. Settlement is always encouraged to avoid public scrutiny that comes and is annoying, even if said party is innocent.
Why do people say 'helps their career' as if its some massively selfish thing? How about replace that with 'continue to be able to HAVE a career' and then see if it feels comparable. In some industries (which a person might have spent their entire lives working towards) speaking out against a powerful figure can mean the end of any chance you ever had to have a career there. So not only do these women have to deal with hugely powerful figures abusing their positions to sexually assault them, but then they're also expected to throw away everything they've ever worked towards as well? And if they don't choose to do that, they should have to put up with people saying they don't deserve being defended for being victims of sexual abuse?
The mind fecking boggles sometimes, it really does..
It wasn't killed off by them, it was called off by the paper. Damon and Crowe called her personally to vouch for the Italian guy, that he wasn't just basically a pimp. Probably on Weinstein's orders but they don't have the clout to kill a story.
You misrepresent my opinions.
For instance, I didn't claim that Weinstein 'couldn't hold any leverage over his victims', but merely that he didn't hold their careers in the palm of his hand, and beyond denying them employment in his own projects, his influence on their future prospects could only be exerted by the support of other ostentatiously liberal, equally hypocritical men in the industry.
Again, I wasn't suggesting, as you imply, that only liberals are guilty of sexual harassment. Obviously this is a behaviour deeply embedded in human nature - and isn't confined to the human species! It won't go away however much societal propaganda is directed against it. But it's particularly piquant that Tinseltown, with its loud protestations of virtue on 'womens issues', should be a hotbed of such harassment.
Must be tough on Kim. Hope he is coping well.
Is there any word on whether charges are going to be brought against him? Some of the details of what he did is really shocking.
He's the real victim in all this.
It won't get to that, I think. Charges will need probable cause, which allegations on twitter don't amount to.
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news...harvey-weinsteins-accusers-tell-their-stories
Multiple women share harrowing accounts of sexual assault and harassment by the film executive.
By Ronan Farrow
Multiple women share harrowing accounts of sexual assault and harassment by the film executive.
By Ronan Farrow
Three women––among them Argento and a former aspiring actress named Lucia Evans—told me that Weinstein raped them, allegations that include Weinstein forcibly performing or receiving oral sex and forcing vaginal sex. Four women said that they experienced unwanted touching that could be classified as an assault. In an audio recording captured during a New York Police Department sting operation in 2015 and made public here for the first time, Weinstein admits to groping a Filipina-Italian model named Ambra Battilana Gutierrez, describing it as behavior he is “used to.” Four of the women I interviewed cited encounters in which Weinstein exposed himself or masturbated in front of them.
I had to pause the audio at several times, it was that disturbing.
Boggles the mind how the DA declined to press charges.
Boggles the mind how the DA declined to press charges.
All I know is that if Harvey was Tyrone from the hood, he'd be in jail right now. Harvey should go to jail, the fat fck.
This, predictably, is getting more nauseating by the day.
What a fecking disgusting scumbag Weinstein is; both him and everyone else who enabled his behaviour, in fact.
What a fecking disgusting scumbag Weinstein is; both him and everyone else who enabled his behaviour, in fact.
Definitely agree. The fact that he was rich, white and powerful will enabled him to get away with it for so long and will enable him to stay clear of jail.
Have the Clinton's & Obama said anything on this yet? Weird that they've kept quiet on this as they knew him and he was heavily involved in the fundraising for their election campaigns and party.
By not saying anything, their silence in itself has become a news story.
By not saying anything, their silence in itself has become a news story.
Christ...
Add Angelina Jolie and Gwyneth Paltrow to the list. It's all kicking off now.
"Hillary Clinton even accepted money from Harvey Weinstein and Donald J. Trump, two known sexual predators. Vote Donald J. Trump for president."
Hillary's put out a statement.
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/09/politics/clinton-obama-weinstein/index.html
CNN are even highlighting their silence now.
Much, much too late, I'm afraid.
I saw late night comedians confront the allegations and generally berate Weinstein. Are you saying there is not enough outcry against Weinstein? It was liberal NYT that broke the story and is getting a lot of traction now.
Why is it late for Clinton to put out a statement? What do you think is a necessary reaction from the liberals?
I'm not sure why any public figure not directly connected to Weinstein needs to comment on this, to be honest.
First of all, I wasn't referring to 'comedians', as you called them. I don't give two hoots about their opinion on anything.
Secondly, yes, it is important for Clinton to comment on Weinstein because a) she claims to be a leading voice for feminists and feminist issues, and b) Weinstein, her and her family as a whole, have a long alliance. It's bizarre that it's taken them, what, six days to comment on a huge scandal involving a large donor to their political campaigns and an issue she claims to be passionate about. There's the problem here.
As always with these self-centred weasels, they try and see which way the bricks are falling before committing to a stance. It truly is repulsive.