Casemiro | United Player

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Unam333 said:
Cheers mate. Didn't know that.

His salary will be 300/w. That's quite a lot. Hopefully this transfer will work out, because we don't need another deadwood unwilling/unable to move out due to his high salary.
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Casemiro currently earns €9M net, which is approximately €16M gross assuming the tax rates in Spain/ Madrid are 45%, so in GBP, it works out to £260K weekly, so if the club offered him £300K that's just an increase of less than 15%, which is reasonable.

The biggest value for Casemiro in United's offer is the duration of 4+1 years, his current deal at Madrid expires in 2025, and he is probably worried he won't get another long term deal on similar wages after that, hence the financial appeal in United's offer (there is also a report from The Athletic that says the offer from the club is loaded with performance related bonuses).
 
JPRouve said:
:D

By the way, I was just teasing you. I don't know how much was offered.
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One user told me €18M gross. I was curious to know if in case of getting top-4 he is raised or the contract remains like this.
 
Luka Mora said:
This signing is similar to when Chelsea signed Makelele at 30 years of age from Real Madrid after being marginalised and having fall outs with perez, He turned out to be intstrunmental in their rebuild when

Casimero is a tough son of a bitch, who takes no shit on the pitch. We need a physical presence, leader and someone who is a specialist in the midfield and this man ticks all the boxes.

I don't care if he's 30, players like Modric, Kroos, Kevin De Bruyne, Eriksen are all older and still playing a high level both for their clubs and country.

Hell Pirlo played until he was 38.
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Didn’t make makele join Madrid from Chelsea not the other way round?
 
Gandalf said:
Certainly not Ronaldo's fault and the failed save is indeed a howler but the 10 seconds leading up to the shot were a complete team failure. DDG diving over the ball was the cherry on the shite sundae but the total absence of any real defensive commitment or desire to win back possession in our own defensive third contributed. Put another way, If that had been Eriksen on the ball in that position in the Brentford half he would have been swarmed and dispossessed long before he could line up his shot.
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Sorry about the derail so I'll make it short. Had that shot been a brilliant postage stamp cannon shot that not even Yashin could have stopped we could go back to Ronaldo to assign blame. But the truth is it was a squib of a shot that most League One keepers would have saved easily.
 
Luka Mora said:
This signing is similar to when Chelsea signed Makelele at 30 years of age from Real Madrid after being marginalised and having fall outs with perez, He turned out to be intstrunmental in their rebuild when

Casimero is a tough son of a bitch, who takes no shit on the pitch. We need a physical presence, leader and someone who is a specialist in the midfield and this man ticks all the boxes.

I don't care if he's 30, players like Modric, Kroos, Kevin De Bruyne, Eriksen are all older and still playing a high level both for their clubs and country.

Hell Pirlo played until he was 38.
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That's actually a great comparison. I would say Casameiro is coming even better than Makelele was at the time.
 
DJ_21 said:
We’re gonna have to play Varane when Casemiro signs. Casemiro could get exposed with his lack of pace if ten Hag still intends on playing the high line and high press style of play. This is a much faster and stronger league then La liga. Plus with Madrid he’s used to having a lot of possession and they build there attacks through slow patient build up.
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he isn't that slow, of course as quick as Kante or Fred but probably faster than the likes of Rodri or Jorginho. he is mobile and is able to move around as he tends to cover central areas as well as the spaces in the wings when the FBs bomb forward
 
lex talionis said:
Sorry about the derail so I'll make it short. Had that shot been a brilliant postage stamp cannon shot that not even Yashin could have stopped we could go back to Ronaldo to assign blame. But the truth is it was a squib of a shot that most League One keepers would have saved easily.
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Don't and did not disagree with that, the point is more that there was plenty of time between Ronaldo losing possession and the shot being taken when the team collectively did nothing to regain possession. It ended with a howler and DDG rightly apologized but most other PL keepers would never have been in the position to make the mistake because they play in functional teams who actually do their jobs.
 
oreon said:
I don't know about this. UTD are investing a lot of money on a 30 year old. If we were City with unlimited funds I wouldn't mind. Casemiro is the player you sign to win the league or UCL in the next 2 years. But this team is 3+ years away from being a challenger. We should have gone for someone younger, who could play the position for the next 8 years. I don't rate Declan as high as Casemiro. But I would have been willing to add on another 20 mil in order to get him because of his age.

Great signing for the next couple seasons. But I'd like us to plan like City. City when they were building their team, they got young players who in a few seasons time could contend for multiple seasons. And there's a reason Madrid are ok letting him go. They got a young replacement who can play that position for the next 10 years. We need to start mimicking how the current most successful teams are building their teams with young world class players. FDJ would have fit that bill
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Agreed. The issue though is our starting point. The type of player you mention (mid twenties, at the top of their game too) usually works out when you're executing a long term plan of scouting, negotiations, dare I say tapping up, etc., which we didn't seem to be doing much of, and when you're operating from a position of strength (CL for instance).

We're really on the back foot here and the club is all to blame, so we'll need to pay top dollar for eben short term gains, if the likes of Casemiro can help us get back to CL contention and perhaps even wining the Europa League, all of a sudden, we're in a much stronger position.

Also, what these experienced heads hopefully bring is character and leadership which is sorely lacking today.

We've had a few brought in recently, but Varane seems a rather passive character, and Ronaldo is not the sort of galvanising leader I'm talking about. Hopefully Casemiro could be.
 
So the funds are there. People rightly get pissy about the owners. But they have consistently spunked hundreds of millions on absolute failures, that falls on the recruitment department. After the last 2 games, all this shithousery should fall on the players. Doc their fecking wages until they start playing for the badge and fans.
 
Think having an experienced spine is always a good thing. With De Gea hopefully finding form, Martinez/Varane, Casemiro and then Ronaldo or other the team should have that at least.

DM is one of the best positions to have a world class player, the influence you can have on The team as a whole from this area of the pitch is massive.

There is also the upside that Casemiro is a good example to youngsters, and if any of ours have talent they will have no better situation than learning from him for the next few years. This is arguably a lot less risk than a semi project signing.
 
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golden_blunder said:
Didn’t make makele join Madrid from Chelsea not the other way round?
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In 2003 he had a problem with Perez, as they both had an agreement to renew his contract. But then they signed Beckham and Perez went back on his word and Perez said they didn't have any money to renew his contract.

I think Bosque wanted to keep him, but after that Makelele wanted to leave and eventually joined chelsea for 13 million.
 
GoonerGirly said:
Unfortunately you’re not in a strong position to negotiate. Everyone knows you’re desperate for a quality midfielder. ETH really thought Fred/Bruno/McT/Eriksen would be enough.
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Yep, completely agree. Beggars can't be choosers and the club only have themselves to blame for allowing themselves get to this point
 
MIC_FIN said:
So the funds are there. People rightly get pissy about the owners. But they have consistently spunked hundreds of millions on absolute failures, that falls on the recruitment department. After the last 2 games, all this shithousery should fall on the players. Doc their fecking wages until they start playing for the badge and fans.
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It is the mismanagement of the owners and their sttoges, which leads to us "spunking hundreds of millions" late into windows. This prevents players and squads from completing effective preseasons and means we're always playing catch up. It also puts huge pressure on players coming in to be the almighty saviours of all our early season ills.

In other words, they set us up for failure, every year. Then morons mouth off about how much money they spend and how it's not really their fault. Any sensible fan would prefer owners who spend £50m a summer, but have the club set up to make the very most of every penny of that £50m.
 
GoonerGirly said:
Unfortunately you’re not in a strong position to negotiate. Everyone knows you’re desperate for a quality midfielder. ETH really thought Fred/Bruno/McT/Eriksen would be enough.
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He didn’t. Hence why we were so stuck on FDJ for so long and tried our best to sign Rabiot and now Casemiro
 
MIC_FIN said:
So the funds are there. People rightly get pissy about the owners. But they have consistently spunked hundreds of millions on absolute failures, that falls on the recruitment department. After the last 2 games, all this shithousery should fall on the players. Doc their fecking wages until they start playing for the badge and fans.
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Glazer plan working
 
diarm said:
It is the mismanagement of the owners and their sttoges, which leads to us "spunking hundreds of millions" late into windows. This prevents players and squads from completing effective preseasons and means we're always playing catch up. It also puts huge pressure on players coming in to be the almighty saviours of all our early season ills.

In other words, they set us up for failure, every year. Then morons mouth off about how much money they spend and how it's not really their fault. Any sensible fan would prefer owners who spend £50m a summer, but have the club set up to make the very most of every penny of that £50m.
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You're entitled to call other fans morons, yet by buying late on, we've saved a few million in wages alone. Granted, they haven't played pre-season. We'll see how the rest of the window pans out.
 
MIC_FIN said:
So the funds are there. People rightly get pissy about the owners. But they have consistently spunked hundreds of millions on absolute failures, that falls on the recruitment department. After the last 2 games, all this shithousery should fall on the players. Doc their fecking wages until they start playing for the badge and fans.
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Don't think anyone had argued the funds are not there for players, but as you said the structure and the funds for that structure are not there. We also have a run down stadium, out of date training facilities and the back office are pretty much, cheap, internal hires.

Let's face it though, this is the De Jong funds going on anyone that's willing to join us, but the issue is that he's 31 this season and we're giving him a contract till he's 36.

He's a great player, much needed, but it shows the state of our club.. 60 million on a player that's legs may not make it 2 years in this league..
 
Luka Mora said:
This signing is similar to when Chelsea signed Makelele at 30 years of age from Real Madrid after being marginalised and having fall outs with perez, He turned out to be intstrunmental in their rebuild when

Casimero is a tough son of a bitch, who takes no shit on the pitch. We need a physical presence, leader and someone who is a specialist in the midfield and this man ticks all the boxes.

I don't care if he's 30, players like Modric, Kroos, Kevin De Bruyne, Eriksen are all older and still playing a high level both for their clubs and country.

Hell Pirlo played until he was 38.
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I remember being very jealous of the Makélélé signing at the time. It felt like a masterstroke.
 
MIC_FIN said:
You're entitled to call other fans morons, yet by buying late on, we've saved a few million in wages alone. Granted, they haven't played pre-season. We'll see how the rest of the window pans out.
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We will.

But in my opinion, we could sign Casemiro, De Jong and Antony, along with a top class keeper and a right back - it would still be a crap window because it's turned the first 4 weeks of our season into a circus.
 
oreon said:
I don't know about this. UTD are investing a lot of money on a 30 year old. If we were City with unlimited funds I wouldn't mind. Casemiro is the player you sign to win the league or UCL in the next 2 years. But this team is 3+ years away from being a challenger. We should have gone for someone younger, who could play the position for the next 8 years. I don't rate Declan as high as Casemiro. But I would have been willing to add on another 20 mil in order to get him because of his age.

Great signing for the next couple seasons. But I'd like us to plan like City. City when they were building their team, they got young players who in a few seasons time could contend for multiple seasons. And there's a reason Madrid are ok letting him go. They got a young replacement who can play that position for the next 10 years. We need to start mimicking how the current most successful teams are building their teams with young world class players. FDJ would have fit that bill
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The obvious difference between FDJ and Casemiro here is that Casemiro pushed for a move when he got a good offer. FDJ didn’t. That’s why we don’t get players like that, or Casemiro’s replacement. There’s no reason to choose to come here when Madrid are after you, if you’re in Tchouameni’s position. We are not appealing to top class young talents that have all the big hitters after them. We either go for stars in their final years who risk losing the hunger and coming for a payday, or take a risk on younger players who are a tier or 2 down from him, much less proven and much more likely to fail, or much lower potential. We need to recognise the position we’re in and be pragmatic.

The reality is we still have the wages and standing to appeal to someone like Casemiro. City didn’t have the standing to get someone like him in - the best they could get is Toure, a good player in a great team but never critical - and Liverpool didn’t have the wages to bring someone like him in, so they had to take risks on people like Suarez and Andy Carroll; some hits, some misses.

We need better foundations in place and more decisive recruitment to go for those younger players to make sure they fit the long-term style of the team and they have a clear progression path, which is hard with so much change in management.
 
MIC_FIN said:
So the funds are there. People rightly get pissy about the owners. But they have consistently spunked hundreds of millions on absolute failures, that falls on the recruitment department. After the last 2 games, all this shithousery should fall on the players. Doc their fecking wages until they start playing for the badge and fans.
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Feck sake, do you realise how late in the window we are:wenger: thanks to these money grabbing knobs.
They know they are in the shit and now they chuck money at the problem.
 
Hal9000 said:
Don't think anyone had argued the funds are not there for players, but as you said the structure and the funds for that structure are not there. We also have a run down stadium, out of date training facilities and the back office are pretty much, cheap, internal hires.

Let's face it though, this is the De Jong funds going on anyone that's willing to join us, but the issue is that he's 31 this season and we're giving him a contract till he's 36.

He's a great player, much needed, but it shows the state of our club.. 60 million on a player that's legs may not make it 2 years in this league..
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I completely agree with the stadium and training facilities. Which should be properly maintained by the owners alone. A train line hampers development. But haven't we recently hired specialists to look into redevelopment?
 
Gandalf said:
Don't and did not disagree with that, the point is more that there was plenty of time between Ronaldo losing possession and the shot being taken when the team collectively did nothing to regain possession. It ended with a howler and DDG rightly apologized but most other PL keepers would never have been in the position to make the mistake because they play in functional teams who actually do their jobs.
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Even during our most imperious days from the late 00s opposing teams were able to get a few shots on goal on us. It would be quite a feat to get that number down to zero even against relegation bound clubs.
 
Joseunited said:
Feck sake, do you realise how late in the window we are:wenger: thanks to these money grabbing knobs.
They know they are in the shit and now they chuck money at the problem.
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You missed my point. I'm not backing the owners. I'm merely stating that the funds have been there. The way in which we lost the last 2 games falls directly on the players. We've lost a chunk of cash not qualifying for ECL. We have been affected by covid like any other club.
 
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