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Can't believe he is going to cost less than Fred. Of course he is 30 now, but he is just miles ahead of our current crop of shite.
 
spiriticon said:
Seriously though, what happened to the days where we only offered 1-year rolling contracts to players above 30? I preferred it that way.

I mean, we'll never sign Casemiro on a 1 year contract for sure, but 5 years is way too much.
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Never for new signings though was it? I recall that was when we were extending contracts of our players over 30.
 
Great player, exactly what we need. How many years will he last... who knows but if we get 2 good years it may be enough to reverse our decline so I am all for this!
 
Hopefully he can bring us what Matic brought to our midfield when on song. It would be massive for a starting eleven so disjointed.
 
spiriticon said:
Seriously though, what happened to the days where we only offered 1-year rolling contracts to players above 30? I preferred it that way.

I mean, we'll never sign Casemiro on a 1 year contract for sure, but 5 years is way too much.
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You’re confusing us with Chelsea
 
spiriticon said:
Seriously though, what happened to the days where we only offered 1-year rolling contracts to players above 30? I preferred it that way.

I mean, we'll never sign Casemiro on a 1 year contract for sure, but 5 years is way too much.
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That's for extensions not new signings. No player that is under contract beyond 30 is going to sign a 1 year contract.
 
Cypriot said:
Never for new signings though was it? I recall that was when we were extending contracts of our players over 30.
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No, but we never used to sign players above 30 very much. If we did, it was usually a loan like Blanc or Larsson.

But that was a time when we weren't desperate. We are pretty desperate now.
 
spiriticon said:
Seriously though, what happened to the days where we only offered 1-year rolling contracts to players above 30? I preferred it that way.

I mean, we'll never sign Casemiro on a 1 year contract for sure, but 5 years is way too much.
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Times have changed so much. Players are regularly performing well into their 30's nowadays and looking after themselves a lot better. Nutrition is a lot more on point and the days of a magic spounge and having a pint after training has gone out the window
 
JPRouve said:
That's for extensions not new signings. No player that is under contract beyond 30 is going to sign a 1 year contract.
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I know yeah, but the point is we didn't give long contracts to players over 30.

For me, 2+1 is good enough and if he is still quality at 33, we renew.

But, I get that one of the big reasons he is even considering us is the fact we are offering a long contract.
 
We’ve been crying out for a proper DM for years and we’re bringing in one of the best in the world!

If we can’t be positive about this then we can’t be positive about anything.
 
sullydnl said:
Nah. Our biggest problems are in possession, even more so as we try to turn into an ETH style side that increases the demands on the players in that regard. And FDJ does far more to address those issues that Casemiro does.

There's a reason FDJ was ETH's main summer target.
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I’m not going to disagree completely with what you’ve said, but it’s clear 2 games in that we also lack defensive steel and physicality. Winners adapt.

De Jong doesn’t solve the problem that we still get bullied without the ball. Casemiro does, while still enabling us to build up from the back. Under Rangnick, Fred has shown to be competent enough when unshackled from the DM role. Eriksen can play the Kroos role.

There’s more than 1 way to skin a cat. It was already obvious from training clips that our players are not even at the level that Ajax players are at build-up play.
 
spiriticon said:
I know yeah, but the point is we didn't give long contracts to players over 30.

For me, 2+1 is good enough and if he is still quality at 33, we renew.
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For you or for United? If you are Casemiro why would you sign a 2+1 contract when you currently have a full 3 years contract?
 
Rockets Redglare said:
We’ve been crying out for a proper DM for years and we’re bringing in one of the best in the world!

If we can’t be positive about this then we can’t be positive about anything.
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Declan Rice fans in the mud :drool:
 
On the face of it he undoubtedly is a significant upgrade to our midfield. He is a specialist in the position we have been missing for a number of years and has tonnes of experience and success in the role.

The concerns of some will be how does he fit in to how Ten Hag wants to play?

We have spent most of the window chasing De Jong, a very different profile of midfield player, one that takes the ball from the back four and advances play.

I had trouble early in the window getting my head round spending so much money on De Jong when he wasn’t the archetypal DM I think most of us were expecting. But after a while I did buy into it and could see that a big part of our defensive frailty is actually due to our inability to advance the ball through midfield.

With Ten Hag being a possession-dominant style of coach I could see the logic although did still have some concerns around that approach and whether it would hold up in the Premier League. Even Guardiola has found that he needed a Fernandinho or Rodri to bring some balance and neither Fred or McTominay are cut out for that role.

So the question is why the change of plan? Or is it even a change of plan? Maybe Ten Hag did acknowledge that we needed both types but wanted to prioritise De Jong. De Jong is a fairly unique player so I could understand that and perhaps with that deal falling through he has switched priorities. The first two games may have also emphasised the need for a more destructive player.

Or this could just be a case of the club completely deviating from Ten Hag’s plan and knee-jerking to sign a big name amidst the current crisis mood surrounding the club. That would obviously be a big red flag if that was the case.

I do hope it is a case of just collectively reassessing the priority in the wake of us missing out on De Jong and the current state of our team.

My remaining concern would be that Ten Hag is a high possession minded coach and Casemiro, Fred, Bruno, doesn’t exactly scream ball retention to me. It is a strong midfield on paper but is perhaps better suited to an Ole (or even Mourinho) approach of setting traps and then hitting the opposition quickly on the counter.

Perhaps if we do want to dominate the ball we should consider working Eriksen into the team, possibly from the left-hand side to give us a bit more composure and technical assurance on the ball.

——————-DDG
Dalot—RV/HM—HM/LM—Malacia
——————Casemiro
—————————-Fred
———-Bruno———————Eriksen
Sancho
——————CR/MR/AM

I think that’s a relatively solid XI which can protect the back 4 better than we have in recent years but also hold the ball.

Upgrades to RB, attack, GK and a more technical CM would be the next priorities.
 
The White Pele said:
On the face of it he undoubtedly is a significant upgrade to our midfield. He is a specialist in the position we have been missing for a number of years and has tonnes of experience and success in the role.

The concerns of some will be how does he fit in to how Ten Hag wants to play?

We have spent most of the window chasing De Jong, a very different profile of midfield player, one that takes the ball from the back four and advances play.

I had trouble early in the window getting my head round spending so much money on De Jong when he wasn’t the archetypal DM I think most of us were expecting. But after a while I did buy into it and could see that a big part of our defensive frailty is actually due to our inability to advance the ball through midfield.

With Ten Hag being a possession-dominant style of coach I could see the logic although did still have some concerns around that approach and whether it would hold up in the Premier League. Even Guardiola has found that he needed a Fernandinho or Rodri to bring some balance and neither Fred or McTominay are cut out for that role.

So the question is why the change of plan? Or is it even a change of plan? Maybe Ten Hag did acknowledge that we needed both types but wanted to prioritise De Jong. De Jong is a fairly unique player so I could understand that and perhaps with that deal falling through he has switched priorities. The first two games may have also emphasised the need for a more destructive player.

Or this could just be a case of the club completely deviating from Ten Hag’s plan and knee-jerking to sign a big name amidst the current crisis mood surrounding the club. That would obviously be a big red flag if that was the case.

I do hope it is a case of just collectively reassessing the priority in the wake of us missing out on De Jong and the current state of our team.

My remaining concern would be that Ten Hag is a high possession minded coach and Casemiro, Fred, Bruno, doesn’t exactly scream ball retention to me. It is a strong midfield on paper but is perhaps better suited to an Ole (or even Mourinho) approach of setting traps and then hitting the opposition quickly on the counter.

Perhaps if we do want to dominate the ball we should consider working Eriksen into the team, possibly from the left-hand side to give us a bit more composure and technical assurance on the ball.

——————-DDG
Dalot—RV/HM—HM/LM—Malacia
——————Casemiro
—————————-Fred
———-Bruno———————Eriksen
Sancho
——————CR/MR/AM

I think that’s a relatively solid XI which can protect the back 4 better than we have in recent years but also hold the ball.

Upgrades to RB, attack, GK and a more technical CM would be the next priorities.
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How would you prioritise those?
 
JPRouve said:
For you or for United? If you are Casemiro why would you sign a 2+1 contract when you currently have a full 3 years contract?
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For United. It will be in the clubs interest not to have players around 35 years who are on 300k contracts. At that age, they probably cannot even play the full season without a lot of resting required.

But yeah, I get that the only reason he would consider to come is because of the longer contract. It's a deal with the devil we have to make.
 
This transfer is proof that the FDJ transfer attempt was very complicated, out of our hands and certainly a ETH-driven attempt. The deferred wages was the critical issue that needed to be solved within Barca.It was clear that ETH was given encouragement by Frenkie/agent to wait.

We can close a deal fast if we have to, as shown here. All within 7 days?
 
I want to add: proper professionals working at Real. Smooth the way this is going. Not comparable to these criminal thundercunts that Barca are. I know who I'll be rooting for in La Liga for the next decade
 
By when do we have to register him so he can play against Pool?

Is it already too late?
 
NewGlory said:
This is the most embarrassed and hurt I have felt as a United fan. We are every fecking asshole's joke. Total circus. I hate Glazers and their brainless minions pretending to be football executives. Darren Fletcher should be ashamed that he is part of this disaster. Glazer squad doesn't care but Fletcher is supposed to be a true red and he is associated with complete trashing of this great club

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:lol:
 
I know he’s quality at all his defensive attributes but what’s he like with range of passing?
 
TheReligion said:
Welcome to the MLS :wenger:
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all of those players apart from Thiago (who was a free transfers) were signed in their prime.

How are people still not getting this? And bullish about it too. It’s literally the same mistake over and over. Take Matic as a case in point. Good for a season and then really poor in long stretches. He also stopped the club from investing in younger players while the glazers continued to give him contracts
 
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