[harms]

All our DMs get exposed. There he is making 7 tackles, 1 interception, 3 clearances and 2 blocked shots, 0 fouls, 1 aerial which is a very large workload for any central player for any team and yet our opponents still broke well, had some nice linkup and a couple of chances to get more than 1 goal with 15 shots although only 2 on target.

Sadly, in Casemiro's case the amount of tackles usually directly correlates with the amount of chances the opponents get. Even in good games like tonight he's extremely committal and always goes for a tackle — and when he misses it (which happens fairly often nowadays), he's left there, completely outplayed, and the forward usually has a free run at our goal.

At his peak he was a little sharper (which meant that he usually went into a tackle exactly at the right time and not a moment too late) and much, much more athletic and mobile, which also helped him to cover a lot of ground. In this current state he's a liability against any side where the opposing forwards can dribble or pass the ball around with pace. His on the ball quality and experience is enough to produce good performances against poor sides — it's not a coincidence that he truly shined in our League Cup fixtures this season; or he can still do a job in a low block when we park the bus without any intention of contesting the midfield, but I don't think that Amorim prefers that or is going to choose that style against City.

 

[Ekeke]

Sadly, in Casemiro's case the amount of tackles usually directly correlates with the amount of chances the opponents get. Even in good games like tonight he's extremely committal and always goes for a tackle — and when he misses it (which happens fairly often nowadays), he's left there, completely outplayed, and the forward usually has a free run at our goal.

At his peak he was a little sharper (which meant that he usually went into a tackle exactly at the right time and not a moment too late) and much, much more athletic and mobile, which also helped him to cover a lot of ground. In this current state he's a liability against any side where the opposing forwards can dribble or pass the ball around with pace. His on the ball quality and experience is enough to produce good performances against poor sides — it's not a coincidence that he truly shined in our League Cup fixtures this season; or he can still do a job in a low block when we park the bus without any intention of contesting the midfield, but I don't think that Amorim prefers that or is going to choose that style against City.

Well you're right he does go 100% into slide tackles and they dont come in at the speed they used to, but those tackles are on top of the successful ones I mentioned as I'm only counting those.

Point is that like our fullbacks our central players do way more defensive work than the corresponding positions at the better teams, even when a team has 30 something percent of the ball against us.

In this case its because he was playing next to Bruno so he had to do a double shift defensively. Sometimes Bruno wins the ball a lot and in this game he didnt. So it all fell on Casemiro and he did a lot but our defense was still exposed many times and the opponents had many shots. Casemiro himself had the most blocked shots with 2 so he also helped with that. And 15 shots is still down from the 20 we were conceding last season, but its still a large amount for a team that didnt have much of the ball

 

[criticalanalysis]

They've started together against Barnsley, Leicester & Chelsea? But Casemiro is going to get exposed even against this version of City, I'd imagine.

My bad, I should have mentioned under Amorim in this 'new' system.

Sadly, in Casemiro's case the amount of tackles usually directly correlates with the amount of chances the opponents get. Even in good games like tonight he's extremely committal and always goes for a tackle — and when he misses it (which happens fairly often nowadays), he's left there, completely outplayed, and the forward usually has a free run at our goal.

At his peak he was a little sharper (which meant that he usually went into a tackle exactly at the right time and not a moment too late) and much, much more athletic and mobile, which also helped him to cover a lot of ground. In this current state he's a liability against any side where the opposing forwards can dribble or pass the ball around with pace. His on the ball quality and experience is enough to produce good performances against poor sides — it's not a coincidence that he truly shined in our League Cup fixtures this season; or he can still do a job in a low block when we park the bus without any intention of contesting the midfield, but I don't think that Amorim prefers that or is going to choose that style against City.

He'll need to go in the summer but regardless of what Amorim prefers to do against City, any midfield lining up Ugarte + 1 (not named Casemiro) is going to be tough. I mean granted City are in bit of a freefall and we usually are competitive against them regardless of personnel but I'll be worried if he doesn't start with the Uruguayan.

Our centre backs aren't pushing up into midfield and closing the gap, our forwards aren't pressing teams into submission and we're definitely not passing teams to death with our progressive play. Casemiro for me is a stop gap and we'll need him in the middle to shore up things. He also helps massively with aerials. I think a duo of Casemiro, Ugarte with Bruno and Amad in front of them is not a bad central combination at all.

 

[Foolsgold21]

Absolutely criminal that him and Rashford are top earners at over £300k a week.

Not terrible tonight but yeah - we aren’t moving forward with him in midfield.

Big test for Berrada and co to get rid of this one a year early

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I thought he played ok tonight. And has generally been ok this season. Better than last season anyway.

 

[dutchred]

He needs to have Ugarte next to him. Defensively he is not good enough as a pure DM. He is something between a 6 and 8

 

[Ayoba]

Pashun!

Loved that he was so happy for Amad

 

[Denis79]

Pashun!

Loved that he was so happy for Amad

Brilliant to see!

 

[AndyMindMk5]

He cereblated like it is his new CL title.

 

[Real Name]

He's like a father figure for Amad.

 

[SoCross]

So good to see that! The ultimate professional.

 

[Habs]

Is he injured currently?

 

[Frank Grimes]

Baffled by his exclusion from the team.

 

[Devil81]

Is he injured currently?

He was on the bench and warming up all second half. Mobility is an issue but he can split a defence and he's a threat in the air.

See no reason why he should be left out so much.

 

[elmo]

He was on the bench and warming up all second half. Mobility is an issue but he can split a defence and he's a threat in the air.

See no reason why he should be left out so much.

Probably has a transfer lined up in January

 

[Bobski]

He might have to start just to provide some aerial cover.

 

[Habs]

He was on the bench and warming up all second half. Mobility is an issue but he can split a defence and he's a threat in the air.

See no reason why he should be left out so much.

Agreed, no idea why he’s barely featured felt he must have been injured to be excluded for this long. Thought he looked decent next to Ugarte. The fact that we’re conceding so many goals I thought it’d be a no brainer to play him

 

[DWelbz19]

I think he 100% needs to go in the summer so we can replace, but he needs to be utilised more often when the chips are down. Maybe as a sub in one of the CCBs in home games? As others have said, he’s one of the few incisive passers we have as well as being a real threat on set pieces in both boxes.

 

[Roboc7]

Its surprising he’s not playing at all but we’re obviously desperate to get rid of him and the finances are so stacked against that happening before end of his contract that maybe we are trying to motivate him to get out the door.

 

[Dominos]

I actually think he's been mostly decent since that Liverpool disaster early in the season.

Ugarte Casemiro might seem negative on paper but I think it's worth a try.

He certainly shouldn't be seeing so little game time. He can pick a pass and is a threat on set pieces when we need a goal.

 

[Irwin99]

He’s pretty decent in the air. That might be something considering our predicament at the moment.

 

[Godfather]

I actually think he's been mostly decent since that Liverpool disaster early in the season.

Ugarte Casemiro might seem negative on paper but I think it's worth a try.

He certainly shouldn't be seeing so little game time. He can pick a pass and is a threat on set pieces when we need a goal.

It's our best midfield combination by far in my opinion

 

[Matt851]

It's our best midfield combination by far in my opinion

It would also improve our aerial ability at both ends

 

[Flying high]

I actually think he's been mostly decent since that Liverpool disaster early in the season.

Ugarte Casemiro might seem negative on paper but I think it's worth a try.

He certainly shouldn't be seeing so little game time. He can pick a pass and is a threat on set pieces when we need a goal.

I think we struggle with getting over the big club mindset. This means that playing 2 primarily defensive midfielders is seen as a problem as it might lead to some bore draws.

Easy to say in hindsight of course, but we could have really done with a few bore draws over the last couple of weeks.

 

[RedIan]

Ugarte and Casamiro isnt negative.
Casamiro is much more of a goal threat than mainoo.play both and let cas roam forward.
Im not sure why hes not playing.

 

[Frank Grimes]

Lost 4 of the last 6 with him benched. Only win without was the city smash and grab.

Ok maybe he wouldnt have played them all but he definitely should have started a couple more.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

It would also improve our aerial ability at both ends

That’s big reason to play him right there. Although I also don’t mind Mainoo getting minutes ahead of him. Kobbie and Mainoo are the future.

 

[Frank Grimes]

That’s big reason to play him right there. Although I also don’t mind Mainoo getting minutes ahead of him. Kobbie and Mainoo are the future.

Kobbie is Mainoo.

 

[Oranges038]

I actually think he's been mostly decent since that Liverpool disaster early in the season.

Ugarte Casemiro might seem negative on paper but I think it's worth a try.

He certainly shouldn't be seeing so little game time. He can pick a pass and is a threat on set pieces when we need a goal.

Was talking about this yesterday.

I also think Casemiro is probably better going forward as part of a 2, than sitting back on his own. He makes great runs into the box, his timing is excellent and he's brilliant in the air.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Kobbie is Mainoo.

That should read Kobbie and Ugarte.

 

[Shinjch]

He should be playing a lot more, if for no other reason than he is one of our most likely to win a header in both boxes.

If they think they can move him on in January, then yes, leave him out. But I greatly doubt they are capable of that.

 

[ZupZup]

The feeling I get is that the bean counters in charge want him out (and Rashford obviously).

We need to sign players and don’t have the money to do it because of FFP… what would help in that respect, is getting rid of our biggest earners. If they feel that Casemiro doesn’t have a long term future here anyway, that makes sense. It’s very hard to believe his performance and ours warrants him being sidelined otherwise.

 

[Shinjch]

The feeling I get is that the bean counters in charge want him out (and Rashford obviously).

We need to sign players and don’t have the money to do it because of FFP… what would help in that respect, is getting rid of our biggest earners. If they feel that Casemiro doesn’t have a long term future here anyway, that makes sense. It’s very hard to believe his performance and ours warrants him being sidelined otherwise.

Yea, but as we know, it is one thing to want players out and it is a different thing to get them out for any sort of fee that is worthwhile.

 

[Ekeke]

I think hes mainly missing out because of Amorim trying out Rashford, Garnacho and Mount in the 10 roles. With Amad also seemingly wanting to play there he feels he can play Fernandes deeper. Then its a pick between Ugarte, who after a slow start for a couple of games has usually been in our best 2 or 3 players in our last run of matches and Casemiro.

None of the players used in the 10 role is working, while its Bruno's main position. So we should probably go back to using him as a 10 and Casemiro back into midfield. Obviously against Bournemouth we did the first part after Mount's injury, but Mainoo was used instead of Casemiro.

 

[Born2Lose]

I don't think it's coincidental Amorim seems to have isolated the two players who went to the USA during an international break. If they have that attitude towards recuperation and fitness during their time off, then perhaps they are also the same in training.

 

[poleglass red]

I'm not a huge fan of his at this stage of his career, but I agree with the narrative on here, that he should have featured in some games. One of the few things he's good at is in the air, we are conceding from corners basically every game, plus some of those corners yesterday were crying out to be attacked, something he'd be looking to do. At the recent City game he was going nuts when we scored, so it's not like he's sulking on the bench. Maybe been carrying a knock or possibly off in Jan transfer window.

 

[bb8]

Yea, but as we know, it is one thing to want players out and it is a different thing to get them out for any sort of fee that is worthwhile.

He's making 350k a week in wages. In total we're slated to pay him £27M in the next 18 months. If we get even £20M for him that's nearly 50M in savings for FFP.

It was a ridiculous transfer that anyone with a clue about age curves wouldn't have done. Still a chance to save quite a bit though if we even got a small fee from someone willing to take his wages (Saudi).

 

[Squeaky_Bum_Time]

The feeling I get is that the bean counters in charge want him out (and Rashford obviously).

We need to sign players and don’t have the money to do it because of FFP… what would help in that respect, is getting rid of our biggest earners. If they feel that Casemiro doesn’t have a long term future here anyway, that makes sense. It’s very hard to believe his performance and ours warrants him being sidelined otherwise.

Ok but he can play while he’s still here. He’s getting paid anyway for now, what’s the worry, potential injuries?

 

[Xeque_279]

Really funny seeing people wanting him to get back into the line-up. He treats the ball as a hot potato, something the CMs CANNOT do in this system. Really hope someone is ready to take him off our hands in Jan, could really use the money.

 

[Glorio]

Really funny seeing people wanting him to get back into the line-up. He treats the ball as a hot potato, something the CMs CANNOT do in this system. Really hope someone is ready to take him off our hands in Jan, could really use the money.

I don't get how he became like this though. He was safe in Madrid (at least that's how I remember it) and it feels like he plays it safe with Brazil too.
I thought it was an instruction thing that made him arrive here and morph into Bruno the 2nd, however he's sticking out like a sore thumb even now with how loose he is with the ball