Horrific. We should have had the foresight to bin him in the past summer.
Hopefully we can recoup something for him.
Hopefully we can recoup something for him.
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- Assists
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- Yellow cards
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I actually think he had an OK first half, as he was able to give few quick passes here and there. Second was Bakayoko levels. It's like ke forgot how to play football.
Absolutely fine when he plays with Kross and a Modric. Players that can retain the ball and in general, keep you possession. Playing him with Bruno has aged him at least 5 years.
What good is an intercept if he's giving away twice as much per game?
Him doing an overhead kick in the middle of the park before Mainoo’s goal was comical. It’s like a crazy mist has been unleashed since he joined us, which is kinda cute, if not for the abandonment of control and safety required of the sole pivot of the team. Even madder that this would be the current symbol of an ex Ajax manager
I have no love lost for Bruno but blaming him for some of the brain dead stuff Casemiro has been engaging in here is just easy cop out .
If our intention was still this chaotic football, what was the point of selling Fred? He could run and cover for Casemiro as well.
Comically bad in and out of possession
I see the same symptoms, as Cristiano when he was at united, starting. Its the age.
Really sad to watch him today. Looks totally off the pace and unable to keep up. Real shame as he was one of my favorite players last year.
He is not a bad player but I think he needs good players around him, On top of that age is not helping either.
I wonder if Roy Keane or Bryan Robson could do well with this current team to be honest.
Casemiro is a good player signed at wrong time for both club and player perspective.
I wonder if Roy Keane or Bryan Robson could do well with this current team to be honest.
Casemiro is a good player signed at wrong time for both club and player perspective.
Sorry, maybe i didnt make myself very clear. I don't blame Bruno for Casemiros brain dead stuff. That's all on Casemiro. It's like he's lived in the shadow of some of the greatest midfielders of our generation and wants his turn to do the cool stuff but he's just crap at it.
My comment was reallly about Casemiro's lack of pace and his inability to keep up with the speed of the game as others have alluded to. It's fine when you have a MF in the centre of the park with you and they maintain passing accuracy levels of over 90% and can carry the ball comfortably every game. Our problem is we can't maintain possession and Bruno is a huge culprit for losing the ball. It shows Casemiros deficiencies even more. Not having Eriksen besides him hasn't helped either
I think Roy Keane would get an extra 10-20% out the players around him. His high standards wouldn't allow players to jog around and he'd happily call you out on the pitch if you wearnt pulling your weight.
I don't know how he can meet the fitness standards in training.
I don't think I have ever seen the guy sprint!
I don't think I have ever seen the guy sprint!
I love Casemiro but Christ he is awful at keeping the ball. There was a spell of about 25 minutes in the second half where he gave the ball away every single time it came near him.
Keane would be excellent for us
We didn't spend big money on a marquee player to try and play around his old age. I hope we can sell him for a good fee and rebuild.
His overhead kick pass for the second goal was actually on purpose. He was looking behind him when he made it. Maybe first touch wasn't planned but he knew he had a pass on.
Still one of the worst performances ever by a DM.
Still one of the worst performances ever by a DM.
He is a player that can make an impact in moments though. We have too many of those players, of course, but in the current scenario where we have no effective system and players who are struggling to read each other, there isn’t much value to system players. Taking out Casemiro for Amrabat sounds appealing because surely he can’t be any worse. But Amrabat doesn’t have that ability to impact games, and he’s proven himself to be utterly lost in this system just like every other player.
Casemiro’s passing is often careless or lazy, but it’s occasionally very incisive, and often he does it in important moments. It’s just not just one second of a game, but moments in most games. That’s worth recognising while talking about all his deficiencies.
I wonder if he is playing through an injury. He looks really bad.
Looks to me like he has no interest in playing as a DM anymore. I wonder if he was sold a more progressive role when he signed for us, the lack of discipline in his positioning cannot be an accident for someone so experienced at the very highest of levels.
Physically shot or not he's caught out of position constantly and makes little to no effort to recover aside from the increasingly regular wild lunges that always miss the ball and will inevitably land him a(nother) red card very soon
Picking between him and Scott is a real Sophies choice of underwhelm
Surely we've a kid in the academy willing to run his ass off his and just defend for 90 mins?
Physically shot or not he's caught out of position constantly and makes little to no effort to recover aside from the increasingly regular wild lunges that always miss the ball and will inevitably land him a(nother) red card very soon
Picking between him and Scott is a real Sophies choice of underwhelm
Surely we've a kid in the academy willing to run his ass off his and just defend for 90 mins?
For all we know he’s doing more or less what he’s asked to. Perhaps Hag doesn’t want a DM.
Was better defensively. But just couldn't keep the ball
Time to move on from this.
Who is the upgrade we can bring in?
I think he tries loads of passes he isn't technically proficient enough to make. They might come off 1 in 10 times. I know we are pretty rubbish right now but I wouldn't say that's enough to counteract how poor he is in general performance.
If we are just accepting being overran in midfield but want moments of expansive passes from deep then we may as well play Eriksen who is a mile ahead of Casemiro in that regard.
Before that tackle was the ball out of play? His reaction to the tackle suggests he expected a red card and probably because he got sent off last season for less.
Would you not agree that the overhead pass to Mainoo which took out half their team was good?
Also thought he tackled quite well until the yellow at the end.
He tackled and broke things up quite well though for the majority.
He’s obviously on the decline but I thought yesterday was better than the few games before.
He’s caught out of position because it’s impossible for one person to cover two midfielders who are constantly ahead of the ball.
Yes for sure. We’ve all seen he has quality on the ball and he’s hard for the opposition to stop for 90 mins but he is so chaotic this season. Maybe it’s fitness, maybe he’s out the door in his head but his concentration and execution has been poor. Fred is like Xavi by comparison with this years Casemiro. I love him as a player since he got here but it was a transfer that was 5 years too late and way too expensive.
Got to move on from this next season if we want to be taken seriously.
It's not a big decision really. He should be sold if we get a decent offer for him. If not, he'll still have to be replaced and be a bench player at best from next season onwards.
I agree. He’s been poor this season and is probably on the decline. Just thought yesterday wasn’t one of his worst games.
I would like to see a breakdown on how much money making the CL this year was worth. Apart from the prize money, there are sponsorship clauses that are pretty high. In some ways he's sort of the consummate Glazer signing in that I think it worked out okay for them and kept the club competitive enough for the fans to not riot and have some fun moments, but also completely ridiculous from a team building point of view.
The next biggest DM signings that I can see that summer were Kalvin Phillips, which would have made sense but now looks like it would have been a disaster (horrific for West Ham the last few times I saw them, guys who thrive under Bielsa, and the guy we shoulda signed, Onana, with whom we miss playing in the CL this year, but we're set up much better for the future, which should be the goal.
Yeah I agree with you there. It’s a strange one, I can’t really think of another player who has the brass balls to play passes well above his station over and over again, fail repeatedly, and just keep going.
He either thinks he needs to push himself to try things beyond his capabilities because he doesn’t trust the players around him to progress the play, or he’s just on holiday and deciding to play with a bit of freedom.
I don’t remember him trying that for Madrid or Brazil. For Madrid you can say he just played his role and deferred to Modric and Kroos, wilfully constrained himself alongside other maestros. But for Brazil he played with all kinds of midfield partners, many of him were even less technical than him, and I don’t remember him playing remotely similarly.
I get the impression he’s just having a laugh a lot of the time. And while I can’t respect that as a supporter of the team, I can kind of understand it on an individual level. You can’t expect people to sacrifice themselves for the cause when it’s self-evident the structure isn’t there to get you there, irrespective of what you do. When things are a shambles, sometimes you have to look for your own small successes, things to keep you going.
Last year he got 6 assists in a season, for the first time in his (European) career. This year he’s gotten 5 goals in 1,800 mins - around 50% better than last year, or any year previous. When we was at Santos he was a box-to-box player, regularly involved in attacking plays with ranging runs in very open matches. He put all that in a box to break through at Madrid, and he just stuck with it. I’m sure a part of him feels like he’s an 18 year old again, playing chaotic football alongside inferior players, trying things he’s not entirely capable of but enjoying the sense of abandon. It’s just a bit mad he doesn’t adapt to the fact he doesn’t have the legs of an 18 year old any more
I really don’t think Eriksen’s been a more incisive passer than Casemiro in his time here. He plays prettier passes and is a lot less careless, but he rarely injects pace into the game, and his progressive passes aren’t particularly incisive. And as much as Casemiro’s slow and reckless off the ball these days, he is still much better at winning the ball and initiating counter-attacks than Eriksen, and his aerial presence all over the pitch counts for a lot given how little of the ball we have.
I think it's just that he's playing in the worst midfield he's ever played as a part of in Europe. Probably a mix of feeling 1. If he misplaced passes it's not as bad as it's not like he had the option to give it to Modric or Kroos. Also feeling the need to take more responsibility.
Either way I don't believe he it's a net positive because so many of his attempted passes between the lines or to spring a counter don't come off.
Eriksen passes the ball with less pace but I recently watched a compilation of him last season and I think you are being a bit harsh. I don't actually think he should play and (there is literally only 1 central midfielder we have that I want to watch) but watching the compilation of him last season and he did play a huge number of very well placed passes through the lines that put us onto the next phase of play.
Either way we have a terrible midfield right now.
He still can make great passes but his physic is not there anymore so often he is challenged by the opposite midfield before he can do it. There was a number of times he was outmuscled by Pool when the ball was clearly in his possession.
During his peak (2-3 seasons) he was undoubtedly the best DM, or top 2 at least, in the world. However, he is way pass his best now. We need to bring in a worldclass orthodox DM and have Martinez as 2nd choice while rotating him with the CB role. In this chaotic system that ETH is playing, the DM is the most important role bar none to cover the large gap in the midfield. He would be a useful sub but make no sense with his wage, it's time for the Saudi's
He's a great example of where our planning and strategy has gone wrong.
Given his age and Mainoo's obvious potential, he should have been brought in to be first choice for say 18 months before being moved into a rotation option (similar to how we used Giggs and Scholes in their later years).
A great player to have play 30-35 matches in a 60-65 game season if he's on a suitable contact.
The issue is with his high wages, we're now in a position where we probably need to move him on (unless he's willing to stay on reduced wages) and sign another player to have that squad role especially if we don't keep Amrabat on.
Given his age and Mainoo's obvious potential, he should have been brought in to be first choice for say 18 months before being moved into a rotation option (similar to how we used Giggs and Scholes in their later years).
A great player to have play 30-35 matches in a 60-65 game season if he's on a suitable contact.
The issue is with his high wages, we're now in a position where we probably need to move him on (unless he's willing to stay on reduced wages) and sign another player to have that squad role especially if we don't keep Amrabat on.
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