His legs are gone, I am telling you guys.
He is slow to the ball and decision making.
He is slow to the ball and decision making.
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Getting a defensively robust 8 should have been priority. That's what we thought would happen. When he is not on we look horrible because he barely gets any help in the middle.
I’m sorry, but Casemiro start to the season is 100% on ten hag.
for all his qualities in many games last season, I simply can’t see how any supposedly expert football people could of evaluated his game, and thought that he had the athleticism or mobility to be a single pivot in the prem.
it’s appalling judgement from the coaching staff. He clearly needs a player alongside him.
and if that player was never intended to be Mount…. What in the world have we bought him for.
just baffles the minds
for all his qualities in many games last season, I simply can’t see how any supposedly expert football people could of evaluated his game, and thought that he had the athleticism or mobility to be a single pivot in the prem.
it’s appalling judgement from the coaching staff. He clearly needs a player alongside him.
and if that player was never intended to be Mount…. What in the world have we bought him for.
just baffles the minds
It's Matic again. I don't even think signing him was a bad decision for a short-term fix and experience in the squad to get things rolling; you just have to be signing his replacement asap (whether Lavia or anyone else ) at the start of this summer and anticipating how things are going to roll. And not spending nearly 90m on Antony so that you're crippled from reinforcing properly across the midfield around him. MM also looks a poor decision, given the weaknesses and who else was on the market, but if played with two strong and quick, but also not technically abject or dumb players, and considering we just bought him, there's a squad role for Mason....
These superdecorated players, who have won everything, multiple times, usually turn up shit in another club.
Typically, the selling club knows when such players have terminally declined, else they wouldn't sell.
Typically, the selling club knows when such players have terminally declined, else they wouldn't sell.
He can’t play with mount and Bruno has a partner. Only player we have that would work is mainoo or a player like him.
Same with Matic. Great few seasons at Chelsea, very average at United. Same with Mata.
Looks overweight to me. Literally looks chubby. Quality player but no mobility anymore. Needs better support alongside him at the very least.
I still think we wasted, what, £60+m on him.
For the combined fees of Mount and Casemiro, we could've properly sorted our midfield out for years to come with a vision. Instead, we're already talking about needing to replace one, and the other just wasn't the type of midfielder needed.
For the combined fees of Mount and Casemiro, we could've properly sorted our midfield out for years to come with a vision. Instead, we're already talking about needing to replace one, and the other just wasn't the type of midfielder needed.
He's done.
His legs went last season, not returned since. Maybe he gets going again maybe he doesn’t but we have no alternative to him which is staggering as it was glaringly obvious we needed one.
Also question logic of selling Fred, he was only CM we had capable and willing to do some of Casemiro’s running for him.
Also question logic of selling Fred, he was only CM we had capable and willing to do some of Casemiro’s running for him.
He has a market in Saudi Arabia, we should start trying to get him there as soon as possible.
I seem to recall that historically he is always a slow starter to get up to fitness and speed but he is getting destroyed right now by everyone. You can’t fault his effort as when we were chasing the game he was one of the first to try and get forward. The will is clearly there but right now he doesn’t look fit.
Exactly. It’s not that hard. Spend that money on Rice or Caicedo and we’ve got the beating heart of the team for years to come.
It's a concern going forward of how long he will last as a player here but i don't think he played that badly. The set up just looks wrong to me.
Ideally i wish he was partnered with someone who could do some of his running for him the way Fletcher did when Keane's career was winding down.
Ideally i wish he was partnered with someone who could do some of his running for him the way Fletcher did when Keane's career was winding down.
The problem with that is his partner would have to be a part time playmaker as well because Cas doesn't have Keane's passing ability.
For me he will be our next matic. Just got him too late in his career. If only a year or two sooner
Has looked better, but seemed like our most dangerous player which it sad it it's own way.
I think he still has plenty to offer if you get defensively robust and physical players around him in midfield, at the moment he's left out to dry.
But that's the problem when you buy players in their state of physical decline, you're constantly trying to compensate for their physical decline.
It would make sense if we identified players with their best years ahead of them rather than behind them. The people who pointed this out when we bought him were hounded on this forum as usual, as any opinions that aren't ultra-positive aren't well received.
If you make the argument that the signing probably got us top 4 so it was money well spent no matter what happens from that point, fair enough. But it clearly wasn't a long term signing.
The people who were deluding themselves that "players are in their peak till 35 these days" are living in fantasy land. We've been burned so many times by players declining in their 30s.
But that's the problem when you buy players in their state of physical decline, you're constantly trying to compensate for their physical decline.
It would make sense if we identified players with their best years ahead of them rather than behind them. The people who pointed this out when we bought him were hounded on this forum as usual, as any opinions that aren't ultra-positive aren't well received.
If you make the argument that the signing probably got us top 4 so it was money well spent no matter what happens from that point, fair enough. But it clearly wasn't a long term signing.
The people who were deluding themselves that "players are in their peak till 35 these days" are living in fantasy land. We've been burned so many times by players declining in their 30s.
This sounds so weird, isn't that the point of Casemiro in the first place, to be that defensively sound and physical player? He sure was at RM.
So, we are going to pretty much replace him next summer. Lavia and Caicedo who were the two best young midfield talents are off the martket now, who do we have left to target? It was evident towards the end of last season that his pace was beginning to wane a bit and now this start to the season confirms it. It doesn't help him that Ten Hag decided to pair two AM's in Bruno and Mount alongside in midfield and he is left with everything to do.
Why is he always so far forward? He keeps getting caught out and doesnt have the energy levels to recover and track back
We don't necessarily have to target anyone, there's a school of thought that his replacement may already be at United
Mainoo? He is not ready yet. Even then, we have yet to properly replace Eriksen/Fred in our squad. So, we still need another midfielder in there. Preferably someone who can play a bit deeper not another one like Mount and then struggle to convert him into a central midfielder.
Matic vibes but think we will be fine if we remedy it. I think mainoo probably would be in if he wasn't hurt and would have helped in this case.
An issue is Eth seeing last week then going for the same thing this week. Then waiting to 60 minutes after seeing the end of the first half before changing it
An issue is Eth seeing last week then going for the same thing this week. Then waiting to 60 minutes after seeing the end of the first half before changing it
Needs someone alongside him that will do his dog work because his legs have gone.
Looks like he's running in quick sand.
Looks like he's running in quick sand.
Honestly I don't even think prime Casemiro would look good in this set-up. Add a CM next to him and he'll be fine.
Yes, but when said player has physically declined it's not enough to have just 1 of them and 2 complete lightweights.
I'm not talking about playing 3 DMs, but Bruno/Mount is just offering him no support. A hybrid type like Amrabat makes sense on paper but remains to be seen if he has the necessary quality.
Don't watch United too much, but Bruno has always struck me as a player of extremes, high risk high reward, he will pull assists or goals from very little, but is also prone to losing the ball a lot.
Its not that he doesnt work defensively, but he loses the ball in dangerous areas, am i right?
Just starting slowly he'll be fine
I think it’s a sign that he’s trying to take things into his own hands and ignoring the tactics, because the tactics seem like a load of shit right now.
At a certain point if you’re finding yourself overloaded in midfield over and over again, you can’t ignore the fact that there’s something fundamentally wrong with the setup, either it doesn’t work or the players around you aren’t executing it, and so you just decide feck it, let’s try and solve problems directly. It’s not a good response but there isn’t a good response to that problem.
If we’re going to leave Casemiro as a one man midfield and press high then we need to be very compact. There’s no world in which he can cover long distances consistently. Instead we leave plenty of space and give the ball away in safe positions constantly. Any player is going to get hopelessly exposed in that situation. We saw it with Liverpool last year.
Well there's 2 issues, our ball retention all over the pitch is horrendous so the volume of counter attacks we have to defend is way too high.
But our players are just not effectively defensively even if they're trying. Bruno tries defensively but he doesn't win enough tackles or physical duels or position himself with any intelligence. Effort can only take you so far, you need to be effective.
That's why he may be a replacement in the medium term, meanwhile Mainoo can play in some games when he's fit and so can Hannibal, at some point we have to try them, otherwise what's the point of having an academy
Yes you are right
I completely agree. We’re basically playing a 4-1-5 at times and expect it to be fine.
This, casemiro is copping a lot of flak and has been poor but not convinced any midfielder would cope with the spaces he has to cover. Least of all an ageing one
Our midfield setup is like a 13 year old is trying to copy peps tactics on football manager
I honestly think we should have tried selling him.
I hate players of his profile as the deepest midfielder during build-up phases.
Hopefully he's just off to a slow start, but he looks physically shot.
I hate players of his profile as the deepest midfielder during build-up phases.
Hopefully he's just off to a slow start, but he looks physically shot.
Correct
Yeah because a full pre season just isn't enough
I’m not sure if ETH is thinking about how good Cas was at Real Madrid when deepest of a 3. Only ‘small’ issue is his two mates in the middle ahead of him were prime Modric and Kroos, two hugely intelligent and gifted footballers. Our options in a midfield 3 aren’t in their league sadly hence he looks totally exposed right now. Plus I think he could get himself a bit fitter but I’d expect that to come back again sooner rather than later.
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