Carlo Ancelotti | Real Madrid manager

amolbhatia50k said:
Odd decision my Madrid. They seem to be in the need of a transition and a past it Ancelotti who really is a calming influence rather than someone to revolutionise seems a peculiar choice. I mean, Zidane seems to pretty much be a better version of Ancelotti nowadays - someone who is not very systems heavy but focused on getting the best out of people. Maybe it's just a safe choice to get Madrid though pandemic times.
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That seems to be the case.
Carlo will be there to promote a few youngsters, get 1-2 good players in and somehow try to rejuvenate some of the old guard like Isco and Bale. He's a steady manager who doesn't really make a fuss in the press, that's what Madrid need now.

They're in massive debt. Word in Spain is that banks are starting to refuse their loans as well(same as Barca) so, maybe panic mode has been enabled by Florentino.

I wonder what would've happened with Madrid during Covid if their net spend in the last 5-8 years would have been 500-600m instead of 100m.
 
There are quite a few rumors about the coaches who were candidates these days.
It is said that Conte was asking for 15 net, that Allegri did not want to wait and that Pochettino could not leave, so Ancelotti may be the fourth or fifth option.
Zidane complained about the leaks and the lack of freedom/confidence to the coach and in response, Madrid signed a completely pro-club coach. For being docile or for accepting 6 million, who knows.
Arbeloa, very "mourinhista" may be the tough and direct part of his staff.
In addition, the news about possible signings this summer are not very encouraging.
I am happy to see him back because he is a very loved coach but he will have to deal with many problems. The good part is that Raúl / Xabi Alonso are not going to burn out in a difficult moment
 
Ancelotti might have seen better days but it takes such a specific skillset to succeed as Madrid manager it makes sense to go for one that's already done a job there and won't cost a bomb when he's inevitably sacked.
 
The biggest winners in this I'd say are Atletico and Simeone. Koeman at Barca and Carlo at Madrid, if Simeone can get his team to maintain their consistency next season I could see them winning the league again.
 
Wonder Pigeon said:
Ancelotti might have seen better days but it takes such a specific skillset to succeed as Madrid manager it makes sense to go for one that's already done a job there and won't cost a bomb when he's inevitably sacked.
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This is good for Everton. Ancelotti is a cup manager anyway.

“I don’t think they know which coach to hire. They never do,” says a source who knows Bernabeu politics well. “For Perez, the coach is always secondary. There is never any set criteria. They sign who they can.”

In his book, Ancelotti compared Florentino firing him exactly 12 months after winning La Decima to... “Vito Corleone in the Godfather: ‘It’s not personal, just business’.”
 
padzilla said:
Ancellotti hasn't covered himself in glory at Everton to say the least - the fact he was walked into the Real Madrid after finishing 10th with an expensively assembled Everton side says a lot.
Everton are probably glad to have him gone, as they have now avoided an awkward situation months down the line where they would have to consider sacking him and paying out a fortune.
Who will replace him is a good question.
Rafa Benitez is an interesting candidate who has been suggested, Steven Gerrard as well has been tipped to join his boyhood club as coach but would he make that move?
I am not convinced by Graham Potter at all, he has his cultists but I don't see what he's doing that other coaches like Steve Bruce or Chris Hughton are doing in terms of results?
Like Eddie Howe he has a big reputation but I don't see what sets him aside. It could be that Everton turn to the likes of Duncan Ferguson, who somehow missed out on joining Ancellotti's backroom team at Madrid.
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Most Everton fans I’ve seen are a bit gutted by the news. They started the season really brightly and got really unlucky with injuries. They’d have liked to have seen whether he could turn it around if given another season with a fit squad and a couple of additions. Plus it’s not as if they’ll have such a big name in that seat again for a while.

Either that or they were just pissed that he said he’d stick around to see the new stadium and then legged it the first chance he got. But I haven’t seen anyone even quietly happy about it.
 
2 man midfield said:
Most Everton fans I’ve seen are a bit gutted by the news. They started the season really brightly and got really unlucky with injuries. They’d have liked to have seen whether he could turn it around if given another season with a fit squad and a couple of additions. Plus it’s not as if they’ll have such a big name in that seat again for a while.

Either that or they were just pissed that he said he’d stick around to see the new stadium and then legged it the first chance he got. But I haven’t seen anyone even quietly happy about it.
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It does raise questions about him when he can walk out so easily if Everton meant as much to him as he said it did.
 
Somewhat bemused at the Everton fans freaking out at his latest comments. He thought getting into Europe would be a success for Everton. Hardly outrageous, is it?!
 
Grandpa Carlo doing well again, eh? It is the players, 90% time… and the right set up for that manager style.
 
WeePat said:
Nice. Even though its a semi farmers league these days, that's still very impressive.
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It still counts, otherwise SAF domination of 90s PL would be scrutinized considering than aside from United, the likes Aston Villa, Newcastle, Leeds and Blackburn Rovers did feck all in Europe when they qualified to UCL and the old UEFA cup.
People scrutinized Juventus domination of 2010s Serie A because of the decline of Italian football since 2007.
They do the same with current domination of Bayern in Germany, even though Bayern does great in Europe.

Domination is domination, plus i believe Ancelotti's UCL record with Real Madrid is included in the stat as well, it's not just league.
 
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Wolf1992 said:
It still counts, otherwise SAF domination of 90s PL would be scrutinized considering than aside from United, the likes Aston Villa, Newcastle, Leeds and Blackburn Rovers did feck all in Europe when they qualified to UCL and the old UEFA cup.

Domination is domination, plus i believe Ancelotti's UCL record with Real Madrid is included in the stat as well, it's not just league.
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I'm joking mate. I would never besmirch Carlo's achievements. I'm actually really pleased that it's going well for him. It seemed like a panic appointment when he was announced.
 
WeePat said:
I'm joking mate. I would never besmirch Carlo's achievements. I'm actually really pleased that it's going well for him. It seemed like a panic appointment when he was announced.
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If his cycle is another short one (as it's been in every job since us) i wouldn't be shocked to see us go in for round 2 if his availability coincidences with Tuchel's time here going stale (not that i want that but his obsession with shoehorning Lukaku in at all costs is worrying me).
 
Carlo is doing better than I expected. Real Madrid play well and win stuff.

Besides the results, I think he's benefitting from the dual scenarios of "Vinicius Jr. is actually productive now" and "we are almost certainly getting Mbappe next season." Fans and the press can be a little more patient that way. A lot of the "why is our stable of highly-paid toddlers not playing" stuff has died down.
 
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Cannot argue with his record and results, but the eternal spring of Benzema and Modric cannot be underestimated. How the latter is performing at the age of 36 is mindboggling.
 
Carlo has always been a big club manager. Not surprised that he's doing well again.

He's the kind of manager you don't expect to see at mid level clubs.

He's at his best when he's dealing with big egos and superstars. I think he's one of the best managers you can have to handle such dressing rooms.

He has got the perfect combination of coolness and authority. You see him as a very chilled out guy yet you can see he has the gravity and authority.
 
TenonTen said:
Carlo has always been a big club manager. Not surprised that he's doing well again.

He's the kind of manager you don't expect to see at mid level clubs.

He's at his best when he's dealing with big egos and superstars. I think he's one of the best managers you can have to handle such dressing rooms.

He has got the perfect combination of coolness and authority. You see him as a very chilled out guy yet you can see he has the gravity and authority.
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Just curious: Do you think he will fit well at Manchester United? Or Manchester United will need a type of strange maverick/enigma manager to succeed?
 
Ancelotti has been my number 1 pick for every manager replacement since fergie retired. Shame we never got him really. Think he's class and plays good football.
 
Dancfc said:
If his cycle is another short one (as it's been in every job since us) i wouldn't be shocked to see us go in for round 2 if his availability coincidences with Tuchel's time here going stale (not that i want that but his obsession with shoehorning Lukaku in at all costs is worrying me).
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I don't see it. He doesn't seem like a good fit for us. I love the guy and wish nothing but success, but I think it would be a bad idea to bring him back.
 
wise_old_man said:
Just curious: Do you think he will fit well at Manchester United? Or Manchester United will need a type of strange maverick/enigma manager to succeed?
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Yes. Absolutely. He's the perfect fit for United.

The perfect club for Ancelotti is any big club which does not have a fetish or tradition for a particular style of Football. He would not work well at a Barcelona or a Bayern where you demand a specific style of play. The club "DNA" as they say.

United is a big club but it doesn't have those demands for a very specific type of play. Fans just want positive winning Football. United can spend big and currently already has quite a few big names who will flourish under Carlo.

Ancelotti is a calm man so the board(absolute bunch of clowns tbf) wouldn't have much conflict with him but at the same time he's not a yes man whatsoever.

He also has that kinda aura which Ferguson or Mourinho radiate but he's even more likeable tbh. I don't think even opposition fans hate Ancelotti much.:lol:

But from a strictly Footballing and results perspective, I think United made a big error letting Antonio Conte go to Tottenham. He was available and United have the power in the transfer market to keep the guy happy, so there's that too. Now he'll directly compete for top 4 making things much more difficult for you guys.
 
Ancelotti would have been a disaster for United right now
 
WeePat said:
I don't see it. He doesn't seem like a good fit for us. I love the guy and wish nothing but success, but I think it would be a bad idea to bring him back.
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He wouldn't be a long term guy (who would be?) but if he came into us after Tuchel I could see him being a massive short term hit. When he arrives at a club after a obsessive tactical type of manager his more relaxed methods combined with the muscle memory of the last regime tend to hit the perfect sweet spot.
 
Dancfc said:
He wouldn't be a long term guy (who would be?) but if he came into us after Tuchel I could see him being a massive short term hit. When he arrives at a club after a obsessive tactical type of manager his more relaxed methods combined with the muscle memory of the last regime tend to hit the perfect sweet spot.
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That .... actually makes a lot of sense.
 
Dancfc said:
He wouldn't be a long term guy (who would be?) but if he came into us after Tuchel I could see him being a massive short term hit. When he arrives at a club after a obsessive tactical type of manager his more relaxed methods combined with the muscle memory of the last regime tend to hit the perfect sweet spot.
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Yeah totally agree. That’s the kind of role he’s built for.
 
TenonTen said:
Carlo has always been a big club manager. Not surprised that he's doing well again.

He's the kind of manager you don't expect to see at mid level clubs.

He's at his best when he's dealing with big egos and superstars. I think he's one of the best managers you can have to handle such dressing rooms.

He has got the perfect combination of coolness and authority. You see him as a very chilled out guy yet you can see he has the gravity and authority.
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Well, yes and no.

Worked well at most of them, however, the guys at Bayern absolutely couldn't stand him, for some reason.
 
Morty_ said:
Well, yes and no.

Worked well at most of them, however, the guys at Bayern absolutely couldn't stand him, for some reason.
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The reason being they went from high intensity training sessions under Guardiola to light, low intensity sessions with Ancelotti. You play as you train, and the bayern players did not believe they could win with him anymore. Plus his staff, particularly his son, rubbed them the wrong way. This pattern also repeated at Napoli btw. It's not happening with us likely because our players have no problems with Ancelotti's methods, several of the big names already worked and WON with him, many of them are getting on with the years and have played non-stop for the past 2 years so they like low intensity training, and we're winning games. After we get past PSG we'll get a City or a Bayern and they'll run us off the pitch, then we'll see how the players react

This is most likely the biggest reason why guys like Mourinho, Ancelotti, Benitez, etc are no longer top managers
 
RooneyLegend said:
When has that actually been his thing?
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Probably when he took over after Mourinho at Real Madrid.

But he's just taken over after Zidane, who was not an obsessive tactical type, and he's doing even better than in his first stint.
 
Iker Quesadillas said:
Probably when he took over after Mourinho at Real Madrid.

But he's just taken over after Zidane, who was not an obsessive tactical type, and he's doing even better than in his first stint.
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The league being a lot crappier than his first probably has something to do with it. You have Sevilla and Betis in 2nd and 3rd.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
The league being a lot crappier than his first probably has something to do with it. You have Sevilla and Betis in 2nd and 3rd.
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True, though he also has a worse team himself. Though as for doing better, he's not. He's doing worse
 
Sometimes young lads like Vinicius need someone who encourages them and lets the pressure off but also knows what he's talking about tactically. Came together at the right time I think.
 
giorno said:
The reason being they went from high intensity training sessions under Guardiola to light, low intensity sessions with Ancelotti. You play as you train, and the bayern players did not believe they could win with him anymore. Plus his staff, particularly his son, rubbed them the wrong way. This pattern also repeated at Napoli btw. It's not happening with us likely because our players have no problems with Ancelotti's methods, several of the big names already worked and WON with him, many of them are getting on with the years and have played non-stop for the past 2 years so they like low intensity training, and we're winning games. After we get past PSG we'll get a City or a Bayern and they'll run us off the pitch, then we'll see how the players react

This is most likely the biggest reason why guys like Mourinho, Ancelotti, Benitez, etc are no longer top managers
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Can't remember a Carlo team being run off the pitch in a big game. You'll lose to one of the bigger sides because your holding mid won't be able to handle the pressure from the opposition. Don't disagree with your last statement but Carlo out of that generation of coaches is the one who's done enough adjusting to do well against modern coaches.
 
Dancfc said:
He wouldn't be a long term guy (who would be?) but if he came into us after Tuchel I could see him being a massive short term hit. When he arrives at a club after a obsessive tactical type of manager his more relaxed methods combined with the muscle memory of the last regime tend to hit the perfect sweet spot.
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You make it sounds like he will fit even more at City after Pep leaves.
 
RooneyLegend said:
Can't remember a Carlo team being run off the pitch in a big game.
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Because he's smart enough and flexible enough to understand what his team can and can't do. We're not going to play open against those sides, we'll sit back deep and look to counter.

You'll lose to one of the bigger sides because your holding mid won't be able to handle the pressure from the opposition.
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And our defenders are untested in those circumstances. We don't have peak Ramos+Pepe/Varane protecting the box. Ramos in particular was the main reason we were able to hold on against the likes of Bayern during those CL-winning runs

Don't disagree with your last statement but Carlo out of that generation of coaches is the one who's done enough adjusting to do well against modern coaches.
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Yeah i agree, he's still a good coach, the best left from his generation currently. But he's clearly not a top coach anymore
 
RoyH1 said:
Cannot argue with his record and results, but the eternal spring of Benzema and Modric cannot be underestimated. How the latter is performing at the age of 36 is mindboggling.
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Seriously. It’ll be interesting to see when the dust settles to see where he lands in the best midfielder debates.
 
giorno said:
True, though he also has a worse team himself. Though as for doing better, he's not. He's doing worse
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In terms of raw points, he's doing worse than last time (49 to 53).
He's doing better relative to his immediate context (point tallies at previous seasons, maximum point tallies for champions) and general vibes.
RM were third at this stage of the season in his first stint and hadn't really 'clicked' yet.
 
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