Captaincy…

Escobar said:
Under Fergie, we would have had a huge debate as there were so many good options. Now, it is either DDG or Ronaldo, and even these are questionable.
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De Gea saves his talking for the post match and Ronaldo is all about Ronaldo, he doesn't want to be doing all the off field stuff that captains are expected to do. I don't know if it's the same now but Keane said he was responsible for making sure certain directors got tickets and would have to meet them before and after games etc, all part of his responsibilities. I can't see Ronaldo signing up for any of that stuff.

Could be worth trying Rashford? Might pull his head out of his arse if he has more of a say? Can't really go around sulking if you're the captain, otherwise you're gone.
 
Ronaldo is the best choice imo. Not that we have a lot of choices anyway. The only guy who is a serial winner, has been the with the club at its best and is the senior most player. Also hope that gives him a bit more responsibility to push teammates and not moan when things don’t go well.
 
crossy1686 said:
De Gea saves his talking for the post match and Ronaldo is all about Ronaldo, he doesn't want to be doing all the off field stuff that captains are expected to do. I don't know if it's the same now but Keane said he was responsible for making sure certain directors got tickets and would have to meet them before and after games etc, all part of his responsibilities. I can't see Ronaldo signing up for any of that stuff.

Could be worth trying Rashford? Might pull his head out of his arse if he has more of a say? Can't really go around sulking if you're the captain, otherwise you're gone.
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Why take a player who's not a starter? Rashford has so many issues, being the captain would not help and neither does he deserve it
 
The options are really weak (which is why we ended up with Maguire in the first place). It should probably go to a player vote which would at least give them one less thing to moan about.
 
crossy1686 said:
De Gea saves his talking for the post match and Ronaldo is all about Ronaldo, he doesn't want to be doing all the off field stuff that captains are expected to do. I don't know if it's the same now but Keane said he was responsible for making sure certain directors got tickets and would have to meet them before and after games etc, all part of his responsibilities. I can't see Ronaldo signing up for any of that stuff.

Could be worth trying Rashford? Might pull his head out of his arse if he has more of a say? Can't really go around sulking if you're the captain, otherwise you're gone.
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So now underperformance and a lousy attitude is rewarded with a captain’s armband. Might as well offer it to Martial too. Can’t go around sulking if he’s the captain.
 
roonster09 said:
If ETH thinks Ronaldo will be playing important role and most of the league games then it should be Ronaldo. He will leave in a year and then ETH will have time to decide (if he thinks it's important).
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I think he'll re-sign at the end of next season. I don't think there's anywhere else in the world where he gets the kind of adoration from supporters he gets here, not even Real fans love him as much as our lot. He'll retire here imo.
 
Green_Red said:
I think he'll re-sign at the end of next season. I don't think there's anywhere else in the world where he gets the kind of adoration from supporters he gets here, not even Real fans love him as much as our lot. He'll retire here imo.
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If everything goes well this season he might extend.
 
roonster09 said:
If everything goes well this season he might extend.
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Hopefully, he is a legend and we need players with his know how around the club. He scores goals for fun too. If he was that concerned about where we finish in the league or how well the season goes he'd be off not in fairness.
 
New manager. Best time to choose your own captain. Maguire had his chances. So did Bruno. But Ronaldo is the natural choice I think. ETH will have one full season to appoint the next captain. It may also be one of the new signings
 
Ronaldo is the best choice, then let any of the candidates who joines in the summer be ready in 2023 or when CR leaves. Not giving it to a player who had been here for 5 months like Maguire.
 
It is telling that when you go through the squad no one really stands out as captain material. In years gone by we would have had several at any one time to choose from.
 
Ronaldo next season. He has the best experience, the right standards, can be a role model for others.

As others have said, he will then leave which gives ETH a season to work out who the long term captain should be. At this stage I am certain he will be looking at bringing someone in with that in mind, as there aren't any other standouts at this time within the squad.
 
I expect that Ronaldo will be made club captain; it removes the pressure away from Maguire and makes him easier to replace if and when Ten Hag decides to do that. Ronaldo would be a pretty non-controversial choice given his status at the club. It would also mean that the likes of Bruno and Varane take on the armband when he is inevitably rested or out of the team. This will give Ten Hag a year to identify a longer term captain in the likely event Ronaldo leaves at the end of next season.

It won’t be De Gea. Ten Hag isn’t going to give the captaincy to somebody he’ll look to replace in the next twelve months. Some folks might not like that, but it’s what I expect will happen.
 
Wednesday at Stoke said:
You could easily do it in two rounds. Ask every player to write in their preference, Then take the top 3 or 4 and put it to majority vote. However, simple democracy might be too hard for some of our players to wrap their heads around.
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Every player would vote for themselves :lol:
 
Kag said:
I expect that Ronaldo will be made club captain; it removes the pressure away from Maguire and makes him easier to replace if and when Ten Hag decides to do that. Ronaldo would be a pretty non-controversial choice given his status at the club. It would also mean that the likes of Bruno and Varane take on the armband when he is inevitably rested or out of the team. This will give Ten Hag a year to identify a longer term captain in the likely event Ronaldo leaves at the end of next season.

It won’t be De Gea. Ten Hag isn’t going to give the captaincy to somebody he’ll look to replace in the next twelve months. Some folks might not like that, but it’s what I expect will happen.
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So captaincy shouldn’t go to a player who might leave in a years time and instead should go to a player who’s likely to retire in a years time
 
roonster09 said:
If ETH thinks Ronaldo will be playing important role and most of the league games then it should be Ronaldo. He will leave in a year and then ETH will have time to decide (if he thinks it's important).
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I said the same myself in another thread. It makes the most sense and no one would really complain. He can then choose someone long-term the following season.
 
17Larsson said:
George Graham played for and captained United?
How have I never known this?
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He was Docherty’s first or second signing. Had played for him at Chelsea several years earlier. The Doc was sacked by Chelsea for falling out with several players, one of whom was GG, but all had been forgiven by the end of ‘72.

He was an ever-present for the rest of that season, in which we clogged our way to survival. When Charlton retired at the season’s end, Graham was made captain. He was again a regular for much of 73/74 but got dropped in favour of Gerry Daly, at which point our football and results suddenly improved. I think he was sold very early the following season; he certainly wasn’t a regular after we’d been relegated.

He was forgotten about very quickly, probably because he’d been brought in at a time of crisis, did nothing to halt our decline and things started to improve the moment he got dropped and subsequently left. So you really don’t need to feel in the least bit guilty about not knowing :)
 
Unless Maguire is a really despised or divisive figure in the dressing room, or ETH really has plans to drop him from the starting lineup, both of which I doubt, why not leave it with Maguire? I don’t see the point of taking it off him just because he’s unpopular with fans.
 
Revaulx said:
He was forgotten about very quickly, probably because he’d been brought in at a time of crisis, did nothing to halt our decline and things started to improve the moment he got dropped and subsequently left.
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So what are you saying?

Maguire will end up like that Graham fella?
 
Revaulx said:
Unless Maguire is a really despised or divisive figure in the dressing room, or ETH really has plans to drop him from the starting lineup, both of which I doubt, why not leave it with Maguire? I don’t see the point of taking it off him just because he’s unpopular with fans.
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I’m fairly certain that exactly this will happen and idiots will write the manager off before game 1 because Maguire is kept on.
 
phelans shorts said:
So captaincy shouldn’t go to a player who might leave in a years time and instead should go to a player who’s likely to retire in a years time
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I knew somebody would struggle with this. Well done.

Ronaldo will leave the club of his own accord. Another year, then done. I’m expecting that De Gea will eventually be dropped and in all likelihood sold because the manager isn’t going to fancy him. Doing that is incredibly difficult when that player is your captain. It’s creates unnecessary drama and media talk.

Now, you might not agree with what I think will happen to De Gea, but there is a clear distinction between making him captain and making Ronaldo captain.
 
phelans shorts said:
I’m fairly certain that exactly this will happen and idiots will write the manager off before game 1 because Maguire is kept on.
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Indeed.

If Maguire continues to be picked after producing further gormless performances then the pitchforks can be brought out. Let’s keep them stacked away until then.
 
Revaulx said:
Indeed.

If Maguire continues to be picked after producing further gormless performances then the pitchforks can be brought out. Let’s keep them stacked away until then.
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This is not only about Maguire, but the entire squad. (those who remain)

They must perform from the first competitive game under ETH, Maguire as the captain must produce strong performances from the get go if ETH retains him him as a starter and a captain, he and the rest of the squad can't have a slow start and as you describe it gormless performances, they must redeem themselves
 
OmarUnited4ever said:
This is not only about Maguire, but the entire squad. (those who remain)

They must perform from the first competitive game under ETH, Maguire as the captain must produce strong performances from the get go if ETH retains him him as a starter and a captain, he and the rest of the squad can't have a slow start and as you describe it gormless performances, they must redeem themselves
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Well that depends on how deep the squad is by then.

Varane is a crock, one of Bailly and Jones is likely to leave with the one remaining being a super-crock, Lindelöf isn’t great and has a dodgy back, Tuanzebe’s career has sadly stalled, Menghi doesn’t seem to be ready. So it’s down to Harry to stay fit and perform :nervous:
 
You just can’t keep it on Maguire after the season he has just had. You just can’t. His confidence is shot.

Ronaldo has done everything there is to do in football and grew into the best player in the world at Manchester United. He can and should be the Captain and central figure over the next year. It makes no sense for someone like Maguire to be captain over a player of Ronaldo’s calibre.

Let him lead the new charge for a year. His example on the field was the only one that merited the captaincy over the last season.
 
Ronaldo or DDG next season, it's quite a simple choice given the lack of options.

I suppose the hardest bit is taking it off Maguire, not because he deserves to have it, but because unless he's being sold we've got to try and get a tune out of him somehow. Stripping him of the captaincy could be pretty demotivating, although if I was him I'd be glad of a little relief from some of the scrutiny.
 
I'm guessing some of the tabloids are caf members: The Sun have named DDG as favourite for the job.

That just gets a big fat no from me: as I've said before, you barely see him dominating his six yard box so how is he going to to the cajoling, shouting, supporting etc that's needed?

At school, we had a captain who was a brilliant reader of the game but barely ever said a word on the field, earning him the ironic nickname of (Muhammad) Ali
 
For me, Ronaldo is the only option. I can’t believe people are mentioning Bruno. He is constantly complaining and crying and has no coolness whatsoever.
 
I have never heard such bollocks as allowing players to pick the captain. Ten Hag should show his authority, discuss with his coaches after seeing a few training sessions and then call in whoever they pick as captain and tell him, then call in Maguire and tell him hes been replaced. That way hes showing hes not going to take any crap and everyone will be aware its his way or nothing.
 
Ronaldo is an obvious choice, but it could very well be DDG as well. Also DDG has just been voted as Player's Player of the season and is one of the longest serving player in the squad.
 
Give it DDG.

Clearly Ronaldo divides the camp. We don’t need that next season.
 
Doesn't matter. The leaders will lead the team regardless of armband.
 
m1tch said:
Ronaldo or DDG next season, it's quite a simple choice given the lack of options.

I suppose the hardest bit is taking it off Maguire, not because he deserves to have it, but because unless he's being sold we've got to try and get a tune out of him somehow. Stripping him of the captaincy could be pretty demotivating, although if I was him I'd be glad of a little relief from some of the scrutiny.
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I reckon it would be the latter and it could be a weight off his shoulders. If he's not captain he can just get on with doing his job as CB with the spotlight on the other bigger players. Imagine being Harry Maguire coming from Leicester, he's never won a thing and he has to try and be the captain giving advice to players like Ronaldo and Varane, hell even the poorer ones like Rashford, Shaw etc have won more and have more experience on the bigger stage than him.

He would also feel a lot more relaxed without the pressure of being captain and with the fact that any mistakes wouldn't be magnified as much as when he was the captain, this alone should mean less mistakes.

De Bruyne got stripped of the captain last season and the players voted the captain which I think is the best way to do it, who ever they pick. At the end of the day the captain is only there to give the players on the pitch a lift and keep them motivated so by letting those players choose who they think would be best would get you the most effective captain.

Edit: The last bit is because I read ETH is going to let the players decide which hopefully is true.
 
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