Yes and you show your support in a weird way. Rather than just type this, you began by bashing other options, then misinterpreting the fighting statements as literally starting fights and then when all that failed, you threw in the obvious its your opinion comment (of course its my opinion, I typed it...whose opinion would it be unless I explicitly state it being someone else's opinion). Even in this very post you are having a go at DDG and shaw...without actually understanding why they would be better options. I explained this clearly. Maguire never takes responsibility for his part in that leaky defence. At least DDG and shaw have come out and owned their mistakes. Maguire never does that. They may not be perfect but they are better. This is the same thing for Bruno. Yes he moans but that has no bearing on whether he is a better option for captain than Maguire. Better is not perfect....its just better. Just because those other options have flaws doesn't mean that they are not better. You seem to think that unless we have the perfect option, we shouldn't make the change to better options. I think we should make the change and go with better captain options. It goes without saying that everything on the Caf is opinion
The point is what is the point of having a captain for the sake of a captain? DDG has been at this club for a long time and no one has thought he is captain material.
So a player coming out publicly saying I take responsibility = Captain? How do you know internally they aren't all taking accountability. Shaw and DDG take responsibility but still dont change anything? Last season we heard DE Gea come out say its not good enough, next game was the same.
Yes. Like I said, he isnt a good leader. Keyword being Good. Taking accountability internally while blowing your own horn publicly is a valid leadership style...but it isnt good. Keyword being Good. As you saw last season, it became a case of every player releasing public statements to blow their own horns after every loss. Every one wanted to appear good publicly becoz of the leader maguire was. If he is this internal accountability only kind of leader...its even more reason for us to get rid of him.
I do remember a number of Real fans saying the same thing though, that Varane wasn't really a leader.Petit is a lunatic and full of shit, he is always wrong on every takes he has regardless of whether you agree with him or not. Also that idiot, is talking about someone that was named captain of Lens at 18, is the youngest captain in the history of France and was one of Real Madrid's deputy captains.
Petit is a lunatic and full of shit, he is always wrong on every takes he has regardless of whether you agree with him or not. Also that idiot, is talking about someone that was named captain of Lens at 18, is the youngest captain in the history of France and was one of Real Madrid's deputy captains.
I do remember a number of Real fans saying the same thing though, that Varane wasn't really a leader.
Perhaps that was just because he was playing next to Ramos though, who was obviously an incredible captain. With that force of personality next to him perhaps Varane looked quieter and less captain-material than he otherwise would have.
Yea I don't think that simply being a fiery and vocal/loud 'rah rah' type person is necessarily a prerequisite for a captain.
Not everyone is a Roy Keane, Tony Adams or Vieira, other players are more like Pirlo, Buffon or Cafu personality wise. They have a more subdued nature yet they command total respect and show their leadership in how they conduct themselves on and off the pitch.
Varane's coach for France, Didier Deschamps, was famously that very sort of captain for club and country and he still won at every level.
There isn't just one way to be a leader or captain. Petit is wide off the mark in my eyes.
Oh yes, and I expect that is likely the situation here. He doesn't seem like the classic dominating captain, but he probably has the respect and leadership role in the dressing room.It doesn't matter what people that have no knowledge of a dressing room think or not. The reality of the matter is that Varane has been a captain or deputy captain for the entirety of his career. Now ask yourself this question why would Varane be deemed worthy of it from the age of 17, for his national team and for Real Madrid. It different people at different levels with different teammates have deemed that he was captain material but he isn't a leader for people that aren't in the dressing room?
Does it makes sense to you?
And yet, when all those leaks were coming out, lots of those leaks said that De Gea is the one who has reputation and authority among players.Maguire was a poor choice but I didn't/don't see de Gea as an option either. He's pretty meek and can't even command his own penalty area, never mind the whole team. I think it would've been just another complication for him, he's struggled for form anyway, the additional scrutiny of the captaincy might have broken him just as much as Maguire.
Winning the league with Ferguson isn't a criteria for captaincy either. Phil Jones would be top of the list if that were the case.
So new player who has never been a captain and spent most of his career in relegation battle in smaller clubs, was right choice to be a captain of Manchester United and be authority to a team full of stars and "stars"? Right....People dont understand how captaincy works. Captaincy is reserved to the player with the best leadership qualities, who is capable of organizing and giving instructions to the players during the game as well as working with the players to address their issues/concerns which they might not share with the manager. The captain is normally ever present in the team. Transfer of captaincy only happens when the player is injured for too long or is leaving. It never happens because of bad performances.
When Valencia and Ashley Young left, Maguire was the only one who had that capability. Matic was equally experienced but he suffered from fitness issues which ruled him out. So Ole and Rangnick were right to allow Maguire to be the captain. Taking the captaincy away just because he was not performing well on the pitch, is a wrong decision that can cause doubts within dressing room.
Currently Maguire is still the captain while Bruno is vice-captain and it will be that way unless Maguire leaves.
He’s been absent multiple post matches after we lose & he’s played poorly.Regarding Maguire didn't he dodge a captain interview during one of our rough period and Pogba was the one doing it instead?
Agreed with this. During his long career at Madrid, I've never seen Varane as a leader. I also want an aggressive captain that always on the ref face on every questionable decision. We had Cantona, Robbo, Keano, Vidic in the past doing that. Maguire is always too soft with ref, and Varane is just a continuation of that.
https://talksport.com/football/1194488/raphael-varane-man-utd-captain-lacks-personality/
"Varane should not be on the shortlist of contenders, according to Petit.
Raphael Varane has played at a very good level, but he’s very shy and doesn’t have the temper or the personality to be the Manchester United captain,” said Petit, who was speaking to Lord Ping.
“The one player that should receive the Manchester United captaincy is Christian Eriksen. He has the personality and the character and he always gives the best version of himself on the pitch.”
Using his Real Madrid reference could be an unfair thing to judge his leadership because he had lot of leaders around him, which makes people think he is not a leader in people's eye since his leadership is being overshadowed by others. I believe player can develop to be one and I will just use the Man United one as a reference, and I thought he looks like a leader this season ever since ETH took in charged (may be because ETH specifically asked him to step up being a leader). He seems to be more a commanding defender under ETH and ETH himself specifically mentioned him as a leader. If the manager specifically mentioned certain name means the manager sees something in Varane as a leader.
