Cancel Culture
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I am talking about these dogmatic beliefs that you either 100% agree with me or you are the enemy. In the alt-left, the enemy is called as 'sexist, racist, misogynist, fascist etc', in alt-right it is a 'communist, cultural Marxist etc'.
In both cases, the goal is the same, remove any individual thinking and everyone follows the same line of thinking.
Don't get me wrong, I think that Anima's intentions are right, I just think that the way how she approaches things is totally stupid and gets more harm than solves anything. I also think that this type of mentality directed by Silicon Valley is going to create a monster. I think that alt-right has already done so (though right-wingers might argue that the intention there is good too).
Is alt right even a thing? Wasn’t it just a few twats on places like 4chan trying to be edgy, rather than any kind of proper movement?
Whatever, it’s not hard to see that there are two sides taking part in the culture war on Twitter. I assume Facebook too but avoid that place like the plague (have avoided Twitter too, for the last few months and feel better, mentally, without it)
Whatever, it’s not hard to see that there are two sides taking part in the culture war on Twitter. I assume Facebook too but avoid that place like the plague (have avoided Twitter too, for the last few months and feel better, mentally, without it)
It just hit me that you expressed surprise.
Heh. Wasn’t so much surprise at you making a good point as me being surprised that I agree with a point made by someone I’m arguing with!
Both sides eh?
Okay I'm not actually interested at all after reading it. I think you're getting goals and methods mixed up for a start.
If that's what you think pogue then maybe you should post less authoritatively in these types of topics, because... Of course it's a fecking thing
Fecking hell...
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The alt right aren't going to take over the american state but they are clearly more than shit posters.
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The alt right aren't going to take over the american state but they are clearly more than shit posters.
If that's what you think pogue then maybe you should post less authoritatively in these types of topics, because... Of course it's a fecking thing
Fecking hell...
I’m far from an authority on any of this. Not sure where you got that impression. Especially in response to a post which is a question!
I got the impression that alt right was a thing - mainly in the lead up to Trump winning the election in 2016 - but it wasn’t a phrase that made much sense any more. We’ve moved on from alt right edgelords being ironic arseholes on the internet to straightforward, extreme right wing ideologies taking to the streets. Trump winning the election means the far right have come out into the open.
I was hoping that someone who was an actual authority on this stuff might clear that up.
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Genuinely don’t know what point you’re making here. If you are making a point.
You seem to be framing the culture war as something that both sides are equally to blame for rather than one "side" being bigots and the other "side" just being people who are trying to stop bigotry. Like maybe they should declare peace and problem solved?
Not at all. My own politics is to the left so I obviously find myself agreeing with the ideology of one side over the other. Where I do find some similarity between the two is in the tactics used to bully and chide the opposition in online “debates”. For example the orchestrated Twitter pile-on being discussed since this thread was bumped.
Why this bothers me is the impression it gives to anyone who might be less convinced than you or me about who are the good guys here.
Or more correctly, one side seeing bigots and racists everywhere, and politicizing issues that have nothing to do with racism, sexism and bigotry to advance their agendas. I agree that the alt-right are bigots.
The main difference is that the alt-right is a few years ahead. Alt-left is now at the level where far-right was before the Tea Party. No figureheads and central control, but slowly getting there.
Careful with your language then because you could be accused of accomplishing the same outcome through different methods.
Careful @Pogue Mahone , you might need soon to do some self-reflection and correct your behavior in order to become acceptable. Careful!
Shit am I cancelling him.
Ok, fair enough. But don’t you think glossing over the fact that left wing Twitter (or wherever) is absolutely infested with irritating, self-righteous twits is ignoring a fairly important problem? By all means support their ideology but can’t we also call out their tactics if we see them as problematic?
EDIT: And it goes without saying that irritating, self-righteous twits - who also happen to he fascists - are also a problem!
Is it an important problem in the great scheme of things? I'm not convinced.
Edit: It feels like a useful diversion for the right to me. And left wing people angry at bigotry have had to deal with people disagreeing with their methods without engaging with their cause in any meaningful way for longer than since Twitter was around.
Oh I agree. It’s not a huge problem. I do think it’s something that lefty Twitter should be working on though. To me, that capacity for self-reflection and improvement is one of the many reasons why left-wingers have always been able to take the moral highground. Be a pity to let that slide.
The fundamental difference is that the far left is known as the far left with all the negative connotations that go with it while the alt right is the rebranding of the far right and white supremacists without the negative connotations, the later part only being true initially since then a lot of people have understood what happened.
WTF? How alt-right doesn’t have negative connotations? It is a synonym for far-right, white suprematism, bigotry and racism.
You may want to read until the end of the post.
The same shit happens when there's a bit of disorder in protests. Highlight the bad, to delegitimise the cause.
Absolutely think that left wingers should self reflect on how we make our arguments - and when im talking to my proper lefty mates I will challenge them on things but it's a folly to think that any such efforts can ever been successful to the standards that we would be held to. So I'd rather not waste too much energy on talking about it and certainly not add legitimacy to right wing pearl clutching when the causes themselves are what's important.
At least we now know that Revans idea of canceling is a bit whack.
As you wish. Apparently an important leader on her field posting names of people she blocked (for liking other tweets or by mistake) to her 40k followers asking them to either help her to educate them or cancel them, while saying that some of them are dangerous alt-right people, and all are males has nothing to do with cancel culture and sexism. Nothing at all.
What is cancel culture to you?
I was referring to your little comment implying that Pogue might be about to get canceled.
Why is cancel culture being discussed as if it is 1: a liberal thing and 2: a new thing?
Cancelling people / things / ideas you don't like is as old as dudes clubbing each other in caves.
Also, calling someone with shite views a cnut and urging other people to tell them they're a cnut is not cancel culture, it's a public service.
Cancelling people / things / ideas you don't like is as old as dudes clubbing each other in caves.
Also, calling someone with shite views a cnut and urging other people to tell them they're a cnut is not cancel culture, it's a public service.
Because it's, a) one of the many buzz words/phrases the right have created to sound good on social media, b) a way to dismiss things they don't like, and c) a way to make themselves sound like victims.
They seem to be very effective at those it must be said.
I imagine these people you describe are the same people currently boycotting Sainsbury’s for well, we both know why.
But that is pure speculation.
No idea, that's why I asked Marcos what are the sides he is talking about. And yes, it's as old as the existence of fauna.
You do it yourself, you don't need anyone to have an opinion.
Exactly.So strange that the recent article I posted on here about right wingers foaming at the mouth and boycotting Ritz crackers got literally two replies while some random Tweet has added two+ pages to the "cancel culture" thread.
So strange that the recent article I posted on here about right wingers foaming at the mouth and boycotting Ritz crackers got literally two replies while some random Tweet has added two+ pages to the "cancel culture" thread.
I didn't like the ad, I felt cheated, he should have kissed the top of his friend's head.
There weren't enough sexual innuendos for me tbh.
Stop trying to make alt-left a thing. It's not a thing. Do you even know the history of the alt-right? It's the far right rebranding themselves as the alternative right. Do you know what anarchists call themselves? Anarchists. Communists call themselves communists. Socialists call themselves socialists. The only ones trying to hide their true origins are the alt-right.
Also, the main difference is that the alt-right is a few years ahead? Really? I rather think the main difference is that the alt-right are crypto-fascists. This is both-sides'ing at its best. Ironically the very phrase "alt-left" is mainly pushed by, you know, the alt-right. I'm not even sure where you would run into that phrase anywhere else to start bringing it up so suddenly today. I wonder if that shines some light on where you get your information.
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So strange that the recent article I posted on here about right wingers foaming at the mouth and boycotting Ritz crackers got literally two replies while some random Tweet has added two+ pages to the "cancel culture" thread.
That’s because right wingers who might defend the feckwits that get upset about the Ritz crackers ad are in a tiny tiny minority on here, while we’ve absolutely no shortage of people who would take @Revan to task for his misguided take on cancel culture and the “alt-left”.
It's not just one or two examples, a couple of months ago there was a Tweet posted here about how the BBC are going to axe left-wing comedies (post #721) there were less than ten posts talking about it.
There was a thread about the BBC telling journalists not to "virtue signal" or attend LGBT parades. It didn't even reach half a page. Where was Revan then (only using him as an example as he bumped this thread, not meaning to single him out for any other reason)? or all the others posters who go round calling the caf Libcafe.
There are more than enough people who go around calling people "woke", "snowflakes" and all that that have no problem ignoring that stuff while popping up in countless other threads talking about how people are being "cancelled" or silenced by the left.
TBH I think you're severely underestimating the amount of right wingers on here, one look in the football forum any time a topic about racism or similar topics come up and it seems like a shit programmed video game with a never ending enemy spawn point.
You can call it whatever you want. Would far-left suit you? If not, let me know what it suits you, and then I repost the remaining of the post with that label.
Ok then, far-left is a real thing. It is not as mainstream as far-right, as I said, it is just a few years back. It is a mirror image of the far-right, just on the other hand of the spectrum. Like any extremist ideology is extremely harmful. I hope that the sane people who are at the left of the spectrum do not let it become a mainstream view, because when it happens, good luck with it (same as how right-wingers allowed far-right ideology to win in the US, and now for normal right-wingers can either have to join far-right or become pariahs).
In Silicon Valley is has become poisonous. It will come to other place soon enough.
I'm sorry, Silicon Valley? Silicon Valley, the home of modern age ultra-capitalist oligarchs . . . and the far left?
Let's ring up @Eboue, resident "too left to vote for Biden"-American, and ask him how he feels about Silicon Valley.
I like this post! For using the term libcafe(TM) and for that gaming reference in the last paragraph. Have a biscuit!