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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
They were done to historical levels done
Carney is a pragmatist, not an ideologue. In politics, as in life, we have to play the cards we’re dealt, right? Whomever wins this election, Canada’s agenda will be set by the goings on in the crack house down south.
https://338canada.com/federal.htm now has the Liberals a good bit ahead, and various Conservatives have started criticizing Poilievre's campaign for being out of touch with current issues. (They say his style looks too much like Trump and his messages are still partly addressed to Trudeau-specific issues that don't matter with Carney.) And Friday morning Carney had a call with Trump that appeared to go very well and might strengthen his profile as the guy Canada needs right now.
What a turnaround! I know there's a full month to go still, with lots of changes and surprises - and Carney is likely to make some costly mistakes in the French-language debate. But it's anyway remarkable to see how the political landscape has been turned basically upside down in just a few months, with Trudeau's departure and Trump's madness.
What a turnaround! I know there's a full month to go still, with lots of changes and surprises - and Carney is likely to make some costly mistakes in the French-language debate. But it's anyway remarkable to see how the political landscape has been turned basically upside down in just a few months, with Trudeau's departure and Trump's madness.
In their article about the flailing Conservative campaign today, the Globe quotes the LPC as having a 15 point lead in Ontario, which has just elected a conservative in a landslide. That’s a stunning stat.
As you say, Carney came out of the call yesterday well, looking very Prime Ministerial. That’ll be reflected in the polling by early next week, you’d think. And there’s also a whisper that Doug Ford will give Carney another boost before election day. Ford emphatically not a PP fan by all accounts.
Really not looking good for PP at this point. He must wonder what the hell happened. A twenty point lead to a five point deficit in 47 days!
They may aswell call the election now. Gonna be very ironic Canadians voting for the guy trump favours
There is no way trump favours Carney.
this is blatantly not true
He has said he prefers a liberal government to deal with, im not sure how else you can interpret it?
Why not?
He said that in a transparent attempt to compromise the liberal wave of support sweeping Canada.
Says who? You?
"I'm not sure how else you could interpret it."
[Alternative interpretation]
"Says who?"
Beautiful.
It is pretty obvious TBH
trump is lying, as usual
Oh I'd believe everything that comes out of Trump's mouth if I were you. Well known truth teller. Honest Don they call him.
So why are Canadians falling for it and about to vote for carney?
Did you really followed in any way how it reach this point?
nobody is falling for it
they just want to vote for carney because they think it serves their countries best interests
Ford's a funny guy. He came in as quite the populist and he still largely presents himself that way. And of course, he's done lots of conservative stuff, including proven dumb things like going to rip up bike paths to make way for car lanes. But despite all that, he's really a small c conservative, and I don't think he has much love for people like Poilievre, Smith, or Moe. He got on very well with Freeland apparently and even seemed to have warmed to Trudeau, and Carney also seems like a good personal fit for him.
I have trouble making all of the above make logical sense, but I think it's all true anyway, and for that reason, I'm not too surprised that urban and suburban Ontario would vote for both Ford and Carney. (Rural southern Ontario is staunchly conservative anyway.)
I agree that Trump has expressed a preference for Carney. He's usually not too subtle, so like you, I don't think that's 4D chess. But Carney was already shooting up in the polls before Trump said anything, and there are also a lot of other aspects to factor in here. So 'falling for it' seems a bit too simplistic.
I think trump was being genuine. In a lot of ways, carney is just like trump in that he knows how to play the system, Carney is just A LOT smarter. It must be intimidating for someone who’s been bankrupt multiple times to deal with a guy who can actually fix an economy.
That’s not what other posters have alluded to at all
okay sure, I'll tell you what I think
Trump has scored a gigantic own goal in his foreign policy with canada and cleary pushed the electorate in a direction which doesn't suit his agenda
in typical trump fasion, rather than admit this calamitous error and show accountability for this generational shit-show in geopolitics, he's pretending he wanted this all along, when it defies logic
I dunno, but I think for Trump there's also a large personal component. He didn't get along with Trudeau or Freeland, but I can imagine he sees Carney as a guy he can have a real talk with (kinda like @FriedClams said). Same for Ford for that matter. I'd see it less with Poilievre on the personal level, even if they'd align better ideologically.
sure but having a real talk with someone is quite evidently not important to trump in the grand scheme of things
and next to his ego and the threat looking like a loser, it's basically nothing
Looks like the Conservatives are going into a bit of a tailspin right now: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/conservatives-campaign-civil-war-party-1.7497029. Again, still a while to go, but the arrogance that's being reported makes it sound like the required shift is unlikely to happen. I guess this is where Poilievre's insistence that everything goes through him and that he decides it all with a small inner circle works against him.
(The latter is well-known. Example: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poilievre-iron-fist-caucus-discipline-1.7387552.)
(The latter is well-known. Example: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poilievre-iron-fist-caucus-discipline-1.7387552.)
They should honestly just call the election now. Carney has clearly had some dodgy dealings but he just seems smarter than most of the politicians you see, probably because he’s not a politician. If you get the right people around you, I’ve always maintained that a successful financier is a great selection for running a country.
Yes, clearly. This is also an opinion/interpretation shared by many others. It is also possible or likely that he didn't write that "truth", stylistically it is different and he doesn't typically sign off like that.
He signs off with “thank you for your attention to this matter” all the time.
I think he was just being honest, he’d prefer a liberal government.
It seems a lot of Canadian politicians are coming out against Trump. It's a bold strategy Cotton, ket's see if it pays off for em.
When has he ever been honest?
When he said that he could kill someone in 5th ave at daybroad light and nothing will happen to him and people would still vote for him
I'm going to split hairs and say yes, he was correct, but I'd bet at the time he thought he was lying.
Did anyone watch the debates this week? I didn't, but based on the reports I've read, they likely didn't move the needle much: it seems like Carney took some damage, but not enough for anyone to make a significant difference for any party. What did it feel like for those watching?
Nah, I watched like 5-10 minutes. These are such useless events for soundbites. Long gone are the days are a proper policy debate.
I think the only change is Pierre is trying to be 'nice' and it's the most force awkward thing I've ever seen.
Shouldn't there be some sort of bump here? Are the libs going to win as predicted?
Trump would like us to vote for him now:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/donald-trump-election-canada-truth-social-1.7520212
It's a little hard the way Canadian ballots are designed. But more seriously: this just won't go away, will it. What a waste of everything (political energy among others), and all this crap is also really hurting economically - for no realistic purpose at all. Damn.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/donald-trump-election-canada-truth-social-1.7520212
It's a little hard the way Canadian ballots are designed. But more seriously: this just won't go away, will it. What a waste of everything (political energy among others), and all this crap is also really hurting economically - for no realistic purpose at all. Damn.
Looks like it currently. This is today's polling:
Looks like the question is mostly whether the Liberals will win a majority of not. We'll find out tonight! (Or possibly only tomorrow morning, depending on how tight things are.)