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The deal according to the article which you quoted from the athletic also mentions that multiple sources say that there are no addons. Also the figures seem to be confirmed by the ad hoc statement issued by Dortmund.
According to the statement United will pay €85m fixed fee which works out to £72.9m. Sancho was bought for £8m so the pft comes down to £64.9. Also city and watford are due a solidarity payment which totals to £1.6m. Subtracting that will give you a figure of £63.3m. Then comes the payment due to city because of the sell on clause in the initial contract which according to all sources comes to £9.75m. Subtracting this gives Dortmund a figure of £53.55m. Converting this into euro gives us a figure of €62.41m. I suspect the difference in the pft reported by Dortmund(€56m) is the basic amount due to the player for his remaining contract and also Dortmund’s part of the agent fee.
So yeah I think Dortmund were counting on sancho having a stormer at the Euros and them getting some competition going for him so they could get a bigger fee for him. But once they realized this wasn’t going to happen they caved.
Very good break down, that has me thinking. The 9.75m pound also roughly equals 15% of the 64.9m pound you gave. Those numbers definitely align - so it seems highly that the €85m include the City fee.
I'm not saying we aren't, I'm just saying there are people on here who get angry if you mention it and show examples of how a well run club even with much less finances should could look like. I'm also not saying everything they touch turns to gold, I think Watzke has done a lot of mistakes over the last 5-6 years and he is actually in the douche bag level just barely below Hoeneß for me these days.
Dortmund's twitter has caused all this.
I like Dortmund.
I like Dortmund.
Things you love to see: Dortmund being a **** club.
Very good post and I tried to argue the same on here several times but you ain't convincing those who just wanna feel like they got one over your club.
Dortmund aren't happy to have to sell their best players and they don't train them with the purpose to sell them big, it's just I mean you can't buy the ready-made stars of the footballing world like we can, so you have to find a different way to get good footballers and the next best way for you is to buy some of the biggest talents out there and hope they'll become excellent for you and maybe if you continue doing good work one day you will also be able to keep those players from joining the big boys.
You aren't at that point yet but why there are some people on here who almost act like you are committing a crime by trying to hold on to your best players or at least get the very best deal possible, so you might one day maybe close the gap, is beyond me. I'm just happy you got a good deal for your player and we got the player we want and that's it as far as I'm concerned. So I'm really not sure why there is still all this bad blood here against your club.
Because the muppets were close to suicide last season when Sancho didn't arrive as they had convinced their muppet hearts that he would be a Utd player for 20/21?
True might also be a reason. Muppet disappointment is a bitch.
Am I missing something here? Wasn't it announced by Dortmund the fee is €85m flat, with no add ons?
They why did they suddenly show flexibility this year? They should have stuck to their guns and demanded 95m as was their initial price this summer. Again, I am not disagreeing with you. I agree that Dortmund were well within their rights to play hardball and the price they demanded wasn’t insane last year. It’s just that Bundesliga fans last year were like “you know the price and you know the deadline so either pay up or shut up because Dortmund aren’t going to budge” etc. That stance just looks disingenuous when the very next year the club showed flexibility and sold for a lower price than their initial demand.
You are right, it doesn’t matter now. It’s just that both years Dortmund came up with an initial asking price and last year they didn’t show any flexibility but this year they did. That behaviour is inconsistent with what Bundesliga fans were claiming last year that Dortmund will set the terms of the transfer and the buying club has no power - either pay up or move on. Isn’t it surprising that the hard stance they took just reversed itself completely in a year?You are right, I don´t, because I don´t consider a quasi release clause a power move by the club over the player, but rather giving agency away under certain circumstances. You can call the deadline abritrary all you want, from Dortmunds side that date made perfect sense (start of the pre season). Furthermore deadlines are the absolute norm when it comes to nonmandatory agreements be it in vocal (like this gentlemens agreement) or written form (a proper release clause). It is the one line of protection the clubs have from losing vital players too late to get a proper replacement.
The entire second paragraph is speculation and the only thing I can really put up against that is that the gentlemen agreement between Sancho and Dortmund has been confirmed by head officials several times now and has been pointed at by pretty much any reliable reporter as the driving force of the saga. Moral high ground has nothing to with this, just two parties eventually holding up their end of a bargain, which is why Jadon Sancho will be fondly remembered by the supporter base and club and Sancho will look back to his four years at Dortmund with a lot of satification and probably never utter a single negative word about the club or his time there. That relationship was a major success story and Manchester United will now reap benefits from that. Why not just be happy to have gotten such an amazing player? I don´t get it.
Well done on putting a +1 on your post count while contributing something worthwhile to the topic
Jesus fecking christ....
It wasn't. They announced an imminent deal with a 85m € fixed fee to the stock market. Of course there will be still addons on top of that.
They did mention extent of Addons while making announcement for Dembele so it's would be quite strange for them not to mention it for Sancho if there are any it would be quite an oversight.
I have no idea what was said with Dembélé. But it wouldn't be an oversight as it's not an announcement of the transfer, just that a transfer is imminent.
The fee will be 85m € fixed rising to 95m € with addons.
As expected.
No. There are no add-ons. Everyone involved is clear about this.
Wait, so last year's WUMs are now upset because they're getting wummed? The BDL are a fragile bunch.
Not according to Dortmund.
The only add-on is ten million euro every time Sancho starts a game for England. Fortunately Ole Gunner Southgate has cottoned into this and will keep him on the bench to reserve funds for the Varane purchase.
Why would there be add ons when Dortmund clearly communicated the total fee is 85 million. In the same announcement for Dembele they clearly mentioned all possible add-ons.
Not sure why anyone would assume Dortmund haven't communicated full fee.
Personally i like Dortmund, good club. On here is probably because they wouldnt sell Sancho to us last year and beat us to Haaland and Bellingham.
There are no addons, both german and british press reported that. For once all in agreement.
Yeah I don't know why few don't want to believe that. It's reported by Dortmund, Ducker, BBC.
Even though you are stating simple and obvious facts, this still a quality post.
What are these made up ad ons then? Hope there's some inventive ones.
We know exactly why they don't want to believe it. In much the same way as we knew what they were doing when they were in here playing billy big balls on the wum, and then again when they were crying foul about how mean and intolerant the caf is when they were called out for their wumming.
I've nothing against Dortmund or the Bundesliga, but there were a few heads in here who let themselves down last summer and up until very recently. There's no point in acting like it doesn't feel good to watch them squirm now with egg on their face.
You might even go so far as to say you love to see it.
I find it a little bizarre that some posters won’t admit that they simply don’t exist. Either way it’s a great deal for both parties.
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A bit laughable to turn a blind eye to the sole solid fact there is at this moment, Dortmunds info to the shareholders. All just to not look like mugs with their claim that Dortmund won't negotiate on the fee.
Not according to Dortmund official statement. Not sure where you are getting your figure. Everyone is quoting 85m euros without any add-on.
I can only assume it's wumming given every English and German outlet have said the same figures and deal structure. Even Dortmund have announced the fixed fee publicly.
£72.9m fixed fee spread over 5 years.
It's a cracking deal for United.
Also I find it hilarious that few think only reason why Dortmund gets shit is for not selling Sancho last season when they were getting lot of shit before that too for their lack of class when they reported transfers in their official site, taking digs at buying club when we signed Mkhi.
I realize this is of great importance to the Utd fanbase. So let's just wait and see until the transfer is announced.
This is wrong, the solidarity payments due to City & Watford will be paid by United separately, Dortmund will pay the sell-on fee owed to City from the fee they received.
It’s also a good deal for Dortmund to get 73 mil in a pandemic for an unhappy player with 2 years left on his deal. I don’t understand why people have to invent terms that might not/probably don’t exist (happy to be corrected if there is evidence to the contrary, I just don’t think you get a better source than Dortmund themselves). Ultimately a deal between two parties isn’t about one screwing the other it’s about both parties getting what they want, and they have.
Great importance = repeating the deal reported by the majority of journalists as well as the officially released shareholder information provided by the selling club.
Smug indifference = inventing add ons because you were over arrogant in your original insistence that there would be, and then over arrogantly continuing to insist you're right.
There may end up being add ons that they for some reason omitted to inform the shareholders about in the ad hoc release. But that would be a strange omission and you certainly can't be so certain that there is, in the face of most evidence suggesting there isn't, to warrant such arrogance.
It's that tone of posting, both now and last summer, which rubbed people up the wrong way.
The ad-hoc statement that BVB put out doesn't say anything about addons either way, and why would it.
I'm refering to the accompanying reports of the two major German outlets both saying 85m€ rising to a potential 95m€.
https://www.kicker.de/wir-freuen-un...elbar-vor-wechsel-zu-manunited-808712/artikel
https://sportbild.bild.de/bundeslig...hsel-zu-manunited-perfekt-76938924.sport.html
Obviously, you're entitled to believe what you want to believe, if it makes you feel better. It's a fantastic transfer either way.
Dortmund was basically the second club of the caf not too long ago. Now their fans can't seem to stand us and our fans have been rubbed the wrong way from their management, fans and even all the way down to their social media team.
I don't really give a shit about all that though. I'm always excited to watch them because when all hope seems lost after selling a major player they always seem to unearth another gem and keep playing fast attractive football.
I don't really give a shit about all that though. I'm always excited to watch them because when all hope seems lost after selling a major player they always seem to unearth another gem and keep playing fast attractive football.
Why wouldn’t it mention it? Isn’t it a report to the shareholders(not sure what the report is to be honest, maybe you can clarify)? Surely you share as much good news as possible?
I don't know and frankly I don't care. Probably you share what is certain already, and you don't share what's not. Because that's what this kind of statement is about. It's not a PR brief, but a legal minimum requirement.
Yeah but surely if add-ons were agreed, even if the terms for them haven't been met, they'd be disclosed to shareholders? It's in th club's interest to make the transfer terms look as favourable as possible to shareholders after all, no?