To be fair to Hummels he just made 2 great passes that broke RBL's press.
Bundesliga 2017/18
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Should have been a penalty
RBL needed that now 1 point off 5th and 2 points off 4th.
Deserved, was an entertaining match, too. I think we missed Martinez to give our midfield stability.
Did Keita even play? Tuned in near the end and he wasn't on the pitch.
He scored the equalizer and gave the assist to Werner's 2-1
His quality is undeniable. He's the new Beckenbauer on his day. He's just so incredibly inconsistent.
i was always critical about Hummels. In his Dortmund times, he always left a bit the impression he thought his teammates were not as cool and excellent as himself, or to dumb to run where his genius would put the ball. He, for me, quite too often squanders a ball in the foward move and then doesn't look all too bothered about going back and helping fix his mess, or he makes a mess of a 1:1 he should have easily cleaned - Then he scores a good header, delivers an excellent pass (although, in my observation, his success rate with those is a bit under-par..), or performs a hail-mary tackle that may not have been needed had he paid attention before, and everyone cries what a genius he is.
For me, a world class defender is one first and foremost who dominates his opponent/his area in the defence. If he can also be a playmaker or goalscorer, well, fine - but the homework first. I still think there are defenders who may not look so flashy, but are overall a greater asset for their team.
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RB had more to play for, and it showed today. Our team was suffering from both the unusual line up and from a lack of concetration and drive.
Btw, Batshuayi's goal today was goal of the season material.
Btw, Batshuayi's goal today was goal of the season material.
He scored the equalizer and gave the assist to Werner's 2-1
Sounds shit. Hope Klopp's style of football can turn him into a proper player.
I'm really rooting for Bernat to get more chances to show his talent which i thought he had, but he is killing my case everys time he gets a chance to play.
Klopp's considerate and quiet nature will certainly help Keita reduce his propensity for stupid cards.Sounds shit. Hope Klopp's style of football can turn him into a proper player.
I think he never played on the left wing before Jupp put him there a few weeks ago, and I think he lacks the attributes for this position (both mental and physical quickness, and passing accuracy). With Alaba's mediocre form, I'd be open for him to play at left back every now and then.
Keita's going to be great in the premier league I reckon. Reminds me of Kante but has more in the final third. Should fit into Liverpool's system no problem.
Forsberg seems a bit quieter this season, he still on for a big move?
Forsberg seems a bit quieter this season, he still on for a big move?
It's incredible how easy it was for him to make Aubameyang forgotten. Too bad it's only loan.
Apparently tomorrow's kicker is reporting some juicy stuff.
Such as that Dortmund is working on a Hummels deal incase of Tuchel taking over Bayern, because both parties aren't exactly in love with each other (
).
That Favre is (again) their first choice for the coaching bench, followed by Nagelsmann, Kovac and Hasenhüttl.
That Cologne's Hector is on their list - he supposedly has a 7 figure relegation release clause and this isn't exaclty a new rumour.
And that Lautaro Martinez is their designated striker for next season for which they are willing to pay more than €30m - since Chelsea supposedly have made it clear that they will definitely take Batshuayi back - RN second this.
obligatory youtube video of the kid:
Such as that Dortmund is working on a Hummels deal incase of Tuchel taking over Bayern, because both parties aren't exactly in love with each other (
).That Favre is (again) their first choice for the coaching bench, followed by Nagelsmann, Kovac and Hasenhüttl.
That Cologne's Hector is on their list - he supposedly has a 7 figure relegation release clause and this isn't exaclty a new rumour.
And that Lautaro Martinez is their designated striker for next season for which they are willing to pay more than €30m - since Chelsea supposedly have made it clear that they will definitely take Batshuayi back - RN second this.
obligatory youtube video of the kid:
He played LW under Pep a few times. He is a decent player at left back, but to be quite honest when push comes to shove, he doesn't look like he can step up to the level required.
As a backup he is fine, but we might as well start looking for a young player to backup Alaba that has the potential to succeed him, which Bernat hasn't.
He is very good feeding off service. However, in Chelsea Conte set up, he is needed to do more when not in possession of the ball and chance was less served up for final few touches. He is similar to Aubameyang in a sense. Chelsea was never in for Aubameyang and rather Morata then Giroud profile than Aubameyang.
Alaba is 26 if all goes well you should not need to succeed him for a long time.
True. But I could imagine he might start pushing for a move in a couple of years.
Why? He wanted to play as midfielder that badly?
I don't know about that. He's obviously no Lewandowski, but he's more than willing to drop deep to facilitate play and actually does some very effective layoffs and back-heels, his hold up play is also miles ahead of Aubameyang but that was always Auba's biggest weakness anyway.
Holding up play, pulling CBs out of position, challenge for aerial ball... Morata was not exactly a hit but it's clear contrast between the two when you see what they were required to do.
Chelsea style means they don't have enough number in central area against opposition desfensive units. The Central forward is burdened with the task to draw as many opposition players to himself. It's different than Aubameyang or Bats to try to quickly interchange, and often than not lose his mark to get in the end of the chance.
Sometimes even Bayern can lose a game. No damage in the title race though
I'm not debating that, that's what I was trying to express with my Lewandowski comparison. I'm just saying that at Dortmund Batshuayi contributes significantly more to their play than Aubameyang did.
Then that's fair point, and I have nothing to say other wise. Bats seems to fit Dortmund well. Aubameyang has some deadly attribute, but overall his profile is IMO overrated by Dortmund set up. It's easier to be replaced IMO.
I don't know, it's not necessarily that.
It's just that he's been playing for us for a long time already, and I could imagine he might want some other experience in his career, too. It's merely speculation though. He's got a contract until 2021, so this might become an issue in 2019 or 2020. We'll see. I'd be happy if he stays with us for longer of course.
Apparently tomorrow's kicker is reporting some juicy stuff.
Such as that Dortmund is working on a Hummels deal incase of Tuchel taking over Bayern, because both parties aren't exactly in love with each other (
That Favre is (again) their first choice for the coaching bench, followed by Nagelsmann, Kovac and Hasenhüttl.
That Cologne's Hector is on their list - he supposedly has a 7 figure relegation release clause and this isn't exaclty a new rumour.
And that Lautaro Martinez is their designated striker for next season for which they are willing to pay more than €30m - since Chelsea supposedly have made it clear that they will definitely take Batshuayi back - RN second this.
obligatory youtube video of the kid:
Hasnt he signed for Inter? Or at least as good as signed. I remember his agent saying he will be an Inter player soon or something in that direction
Yes. Whether or not he's bound to Inter yet supposedly makes things difficult.
That would be so so sweet. Get rid off the still truely annoying Hummels and get in Tuchel. Boateng + Süle as our main centerback pair is fine, just need to find a 3rd quality centerback as backup/rotation option.Such as that Dortmund is working on a Hummels deal incase of Tuchel taking over Bayern, because both parties aren't exactly in love with each other (
Not sure if it's such a big loss at this point actually. Ever since his second injury under Guardiola, Alaba hasn't performed at a level that makes him irreplaceable anyway. I honestly don't get what happened to him. He was an elite fullback the two years under Heynckes, improved even further in Guardiola's first season, not only as a player but also as a leader in the team. Same was true when he played as a midfielder for Austria. He also became a brilliant set-piece taker and scored some amazing freekicks. Then the two injury breaks happened and everything fell apart. He became useless in midfield, that box to box 3rd centerback/libero/midfielder role he excelled at under Guardiola didn't work anymore. Moved back to fullback he was mostly average, very rarely great and sometimes truely awful. The Austrian nationalteam qualified with great performances for the Euro mostly without him due to his injuries and once he came back he sucked for Austria no matter what position he played. His performances at the Euro were an absolute disaster.
Since Ancelotti took over he became more consistent again, but his performances are far from the worldclass level he showed consistently for 3-4 years up until 2015. Considering his performances in the last 2 years, he's a decent, reliable fullback. Nothing more and far from the leader and game changer he was between 2012 and 2014.
Obviously I still like him a lot and hope he continues to play for us, but honestly, if he really wants to leave, it won't hurt the team all that much.
Still hate him that much, huh?
I could see Hummels and Tuchel hating each others guts, there was always a rumour that their relationship was a driving factor behind Hummels switch to Bayern and Tuchel's comments after their last cup final sort of fueled that flame. I could also see Hummels maybe being the guy who would rather stay in Germany than move abroad. And I'm sure Dortmund would be more than willing to take him back. But what I really can't imagine at all is Bayern letting him leave for a fee that Dortmund would be willing to pay for an almost 30 year old player.
He annoys me to no end. At least he doesn't talk as much, doesn't give as many interviews nowadays. But yeah, I'd happily see him feck off.Still hate him that much, huh?
The trial for the bus bomber is happening in Germany at the moment.
Thomas Tuchel: “I think that the biggest dissent between Aki Watzke and me was that I was in the bus and he was not.”
Thomas Tuchel on the question of whether he would still coach BVB today without the attacks: “I would expect that, yes!”
As first witness says Felix Passlack now. At the moment of the explosion: "We were all very scared. Marc Bartra screamed. "
Felix Passlack on the consequences of the attack: "I had a long time of anxiety. I flinched at every little sound. "
As the next witness Sven Bender says: "I looked outside, as I always do. Shortly after the departure of the bus there was a loud bang. I saw a bright light and saw the hedge flying away. Then it pushed me to the left. "
Sven Bender on the judge’s question as he found himself having to play again the next day: "Unhappy. In retrospect, we all made a big mistake. I think we should not have played. "
Goalkeeping coach Wolfgang “Teddy” de Beer: “That’s been one thing you think about in retrospect: Oh, the number could have gone awry as well.”
Marcel Schmelzer: "I was really scared. A few players have thrown themselves to the ground, Marc Bartra has shouted. One saw the fear in the faces. "
Even Marcel Schmelzer considers the game against Monaco the day after the bombing in retrospect an error: "Absolutely. I think no player slept at night. But the bus ride the next day to the stadium was just bad. "The customer review has been automatically translated from German.
Roman Weidenfeller confirms that he still seeks psychological help today. Within the team, the attack was “still an issue”.
BVB physiotherapist Swantje Thomßen was still looking after Marc Bartra on the bus: "Marc has fainted over and over again, we’ve tied our wrists. There was a lot of blood there. I found that very scary. "
BVB Physiotherapist Swantje Thomßen: " When we took Marc Bartra to the ambulance, there were also the first onlookers who even filmed it. That made me incredibly angry at first. "
Thomas Tuchel: “I think that the biggest dissent between Aki Watzke and me was that I was in the bus and he was not.”
Thomas Tuchel on the question of whether he would still coach BVB today without the attacks: “I would expect that, yes!”
As first witness says Felix Passlack now. At the moment of the explosion: "We were all very scared. Marc Bartra screamed. "
Felix Passlack on the consequences of the attack: "I had a long time of anxiety. I flinched at every little sound. "
As the next witness Sven Bender says: "I looked outside, as I always do. Shortly after the departure of the bus there was a loud bang. I saw a bright light and saw the hedge flying away. Then it pushed me to the left. "
Sven Bender on the judge’s question as he found himself having to play again the next day: "Unhappy. In retrospect, we all made a big mistake. I think we should not have played. "
Goalkeeping coach Wolfgang “Teddy” de Beer: “That’s been one thing you think about in retrospect: Oh, the number could have gone awry as well.”
Marcel Schmelzer: "I was really scared. A few players have thrown themselves to the ground, Marc Bartra has shouted. One saw the fear in the faces. "
Even Marcel Schmelzer considers the game against Monaco the day after the bombing in retrospect an error: "Absolutely. I think no player slept at night. But the bus ride the next day to the stadium was just bad. "The customer review has been automatically translated from German.
Roman Weidenfeller confirms that he still seeks psychological help today. Within the team, the attack was “still an issue”.
BVB physiotherapist Swantje Thomßen was still looking after Marc Bartra on the bus: "Marc has fainted over and over again, we’ve tied our wrists. There was a lot of blood there. I found that very scary. "
BVB Physiotherapist Swantje Thomßen: " When we took Marc Bartra to the ambulance, there were also the first onlookers who even filmed it. That made me incredibly angry at first. "
Its just that he's been playing between abysmal and sub-par ever since his last contract extension. Last rumours i heard was some babbling about he might leave because he is unhappy how the club deals with the extension for his Buddy Franck. Maybe his girlfriend fancies the spanish sun, what do i know.
I love the guy and all, he could be such a great player and has all the markers that might make him the next club legend, but i gotta say i'm slowly feeling a bit pissed.
Just out of curiosity, how can you guys watch a full ninety minutes of Football with all the racket that goes with the games in Germany. Drums, megaphones, flares what’s that all about? I know you will say atmosphere but it’s not, it’s pointless noise driven by a few attention seeking dorks that don’t even bother watching the match.
Unfortunately, it’s creeping into the English game in the lower leagues and clubs with German managers. Hopefully never ever at Old Trafford.
Unfortunately, it’s creeping into the English game in the lower leagues and clubs with German managers. Hopefully never ever at Old Trafford.
It's okay, English football can stick to listening the calming sounds of silence with the occasional noise of a player hitting a ball.
And to answer your question, it's much better to watch with the 'racket'.
I have yet to attend a game with 90 minutes of flares. In fact, i've hardly ever seen them used, much less so in excess.
Other than that, i greatly enjoy the creativity and actions of the curve. It is what makes a stadium visit different from just watching it on the telly. I recommend you try the first hand experience one time.
But don't despair, each Bundesliga Stadium has "lounges" where you don't have to hear the sounds, don't have to smell the smell, don't have to feel the wind (they have AC) you don't even have to watch the game yourself, as the crucial moments will be replayed on multiple screens. So you can concentrate on sipping champagne, eating canapees and listening to Barry Manilow in your comfy chair and maybe having a good wank.
If you prefer "choregoraphy" designed by ad agencies, songs from speakers rather than from the stands, a ban on jumping up from your seat, you're not forced to return, i believe, and are free go back to Engerland
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Huh? That's half the reason to go into the stadium. The racket, the noise, the sheer adrenaline when your team scores and everyone explodes into ecstacy. If you want a quiet watch without anyone interrupting your concentration, watch football at home and send your wife away with her girlfriends and have them take the children also.
Tbh I'm so used to the chanting, that I sometimes find it hard to enjoy watching some matches from other leagues, because you keep hearing sounds that you would normally associate with friendlies (the murmur of chatter, individuals shouting, the sound of a ball being hit), because in competitive matches they get lost in the chants. It's not even like I conciously long for the chants, it's just some psychological reflex.