Bundesliga 2017/18

Young
Valencia
Lukaku
Jones
Smalling
Matic

And that's just from your squad against Tottenham.
See what I did there?

Young, Jones and Valencia was bought at a time when we were almost as dominant as you, and we often also cherrypicked in the league, we often raided Tottenham for example, how likely is it that we could do that now?

Smalling came from a Championship club, Lukaku was bought at a extortionate price (compare that to what you "paid" for Lewa), Matic I'll give you but he felt he was surplus to requirements at Chelsea after their purchase of Bakayoko.
 
I dont think you are allowed to talk to a player before the club anyway. It is punishable, as Liverpool faced with van Dijk for example.

And you seem to miss the point, it is about that Bayern could easily get a top player awaw from Borussia Mönchengladbach for peanuts, but sadly in this case Reus himself didnt want Bayern. No club in Germany has the ability and finances to really say no when Bayern comes for a player, and even if they do the player just wont sign a contract qnd leave on free or a low fee.

Lol. Nobody gives a shit about that. Everyone does it. Liverpool were just dumb.

I'm not sure what your point is?

Are you trying to argue Bundesliga isn't incredibly uncompetitive?

I'm trying to say that us profiting from being in our league more than other top clubs is a myth. Just because we are doing smart business by getting some players for free doesn't make it true. We are competing with the Premier League when it comes to a player, and it's becoming a battle we are increasingly losing.
 
We should buy Pulisic and send the haters into a frenzy :drool:
 
Hummels
Lewa
Rudy
Süle
Kimmich

and soon Goretzka, meanwhile you have just dispossed of Götze.

That is just from your squad now, all players that were amongst the best at their respective teams, and you could cherrypick them on the cheap or on the free.

I really can't understand why you try to argue Bayern's dominance in the domestic market, not like it is a secret.
Sure, Bayern dominates the german market, but that's normal for the biggest club in the league. There's no one preventing foreign clubs from buying those players however, i don't think many elite clubs were interested in the ones you named except for Lewandowski
 
And what do they all have in common? They are all Germans, bar Lewa. Wearing the Bayern shirt yields a lot of prestige over here, just like Real's or Barca's in Spain.

Exactly what I am trying to argue. Being so dominant in your own league and with German players more often than not wanting to stay in the league you can cherry pick the exceptional talents time and time again.

I really don't see why we're even discussing it.
 
Lol. Nobody gives a shit about that. Everyone does it. Liverpool were just dumb.



I'm trying to say that us profiting from being in our league more than other top clubs is a myth. Just because we are doing smart business by getting some players for free doesn't make it true. We are competing with the Premier League when it comes to a player, and it's becoming a battle we are increasingly losing.

I don't think it's good for a league to have one side as dominant as Bayern now are.

It might take a while but it will eventually hurt Bayern.
 
Young, Jones and Valencia was bought at a time when we were almost as dominant as you, and we often also cherrypicked in the league, we often raided Tottenham for example, how likely is it that we could do that now?

Smalling came from a Championship club, Lukaku was bought at a extortionate price (compare that to what you "paid" for Lewa), Matic I'll give you but he felt he was surplus to requirements at Chelsea after their purchase of Bakayoko.

I'm not repsonsible for you having 4 shitty years. I'm also not repsonsible for the Prem paying outragoeus transfer fees instead of smart business. What was being paid is completely irrelevant. Hummels is a Bayern boy by the way. Plaed here since he was 8.
 
Exactly what I am trying to argue. Being so dominant in your own league and with German players more often than not wanting to stay in the league you can cherry pick the exceptional talents time and time again.

I really don't see why we're even discussing it.
It’s the exaggerations that are annoying. We didn’t get Reus, despite being interested. We didn’t get Sane despite being interested. Also KDB, despite being heavily interested. We don’t get everyone. That’s simply not true. We have an advantage and a great position, but we can’t randomly pick players.
 
It’s the exaggerations that are annoying. We didn’t get Reus, despite being interested. We didn’t get Sane despite being interested. Also KDB, despite being heavily interested. We don’t get everyone. That’s simply not true. We have an advantage and a great position, but we can’t randomly pick players.

If it's Bayern vs a Premier league club going for a player then yeah it's a more even field.
 
It’s the exaggerations that are annoying. We didn’t get Reus, despite being interested. We didn’t get Sane despite being interested. Also KDB, despite being heavily interested. We don’t get everyone. That’s simply not true. We have an advantage and a great position, but we can’t randomly pick players.

Exactly.
In case of Rudy for example just nobody was interested at the time.
 
I'm not repsonsible for you having 4 shitty years. I'm also not repsonsible for the Prem paying outragoeus transfer fees instead of smart business. What was being paid is completely irrelevant. Hummels is a Bayern boy by the way. Plaed here since he was 8.

Us having 4 shitty years has nothing to do with it, the financial strength of the league makes sure that no one team can cherrypick others. Also having such an unique position in a league that you have make players run down their contracts and join you on the free, that never happens in the PL.

Yeah I know that Hummels is a Bayern boy, still most of his development was done at Dortmund, and when you felt like it you recalled him.
 
Such a bad patch of form isnt allowed at top clubs but watching the football they olay and the injuries they have, chances they miss and players being low on confidence, some people in thos thread exaggerate a lot of how much of a "fraud" Bosz is. Less than a month of bad form and you are a fraud currently.
 
Boring as feck isn't it?

Saw that Dortmund v Bayern was on and didn't even get excited as I knew what would happen.

German fans must get sick of it? Or don't they care?

I love the atmosphere at German games though - puts ours to shame.
Yeah it's incredible boring from a neutral perspective, the Bayern armada on here is mostly in denial about it but the league obviously loses a lot of its appeal.
Not that Dortmund deserves getting smacked, their fans are the second most annoying fans in the league after Bayern and it's nice to see them realising that Tuchel actually did an incredible job with their team and he probably just stepped on the toes of the old guard like Watzke, Schmelzer etc
 
If it's Bayern vs a Premier league club going for a player then yeah it's a more even field.
It’s not just that. There are some players who are out of our reach. We were never getting Dembele once he was at Dortmund. No chance whatsoever. We can’t randomly take Dortmund’s players. We rely on release clauses or short contracts to do so. They would never sell to us if they don’t need to. Same with Leipzig.
 
Us having 4 shitty years has nothing to do with it, the financial strength of the league makes sure that no one team can cherrypick others. Also having such an unique position in a league that you have make players run down their contracts and join you on the free, that never happens in the PL.

Yeah I know that Hummels is a Bayern boy, still most of his development was done at Dortmund, and when you felt like it you recalled him.

He was sold at 19. And extended his contract twice despite us being interested. Well whatever, you are inclined to have your beliefs.
 
It’s the exaggerations that are annoying. We didn’t get Reus, despite being interested. We didn’t get Sane despite being interested. Also KDB, despite being heavily interested. We don’t get everyone. That’s simply not true. We have an advantage and a great position, but we can’t randomly pick players.

Reus was adamnent of Dortmund, Sane if I am not mistaken you wanted him to wait for a year, and he didn't want to wait? Then Citeh came in with their massive bid and wages. Did you really try hard for KDB though? He would have chosen you over Citeh I think.

Thing is, the only clubs that can compete with you for a player is foreign clubs, your domestic clubs must just accept the shit hand they are dealt.
 
Surely it will affect the marketability of the Bundesliga?

When you know before a ball is kicked who will win the league .
 
He was sold at 19. And extended his contract twice despite us being interested. Well whatever, you are inclined to have your beliefs.
There is no reasoning with people like him. What are you gonna say to someone who seriously believes we could have gotten Hummels back whenever we wanted? We had no chance for many years.
 
Yeah it's incredible boring from a neutral perspective, the Bayern armada on here is mostly in denial about it but the league obviously loses a lot of its appeal.
Not that Dortmund deserves getting smacked, their fans are the second most annoying fans in the league after Bayern and it's nice to see them realising that Tuchel actually did an incredible job with their team and he probably just stepped on the toes of the old guard like Watzke, Schmelzer etc

I’m literally speaking to a Bayern fan now who admits it’s a load of shit.
 
Reus was loyal to Dortmund, Sane if I am not mistaken you wanted him to wait for a year, and he didn't want to wait? Then Citeh came in with their massive bid and wages. Did you really try hard for KDB though? He would have chosen you over Citeh I think.

Thing is, the only clubs that can compete with you for a player is foreign clubs, your domestic clubs must just accept the shit hand they are dealt.
We heavily wanted KDB and actually had an agreement with him in place. We simply couldn’t or wanted to afford him.
 
There is no reasoning with people like him.

Yeah, I am arguing that Bayern has it easy when it comes to domestic talent, how outrageous of me, I really don't know what got over me.

I mean, not like there is a presedence for it or anything.
 
It’s the exaggerations that are annoying. We didn’t get Reus, despite being interested. We didn’t get Sane despite being interested. Also KDB, despite being heavily interested. We don’t get everyone. That’s simply not true. We have an advantage and a great position, but we can’t randomly pick players.
Reus has Dortmund connection and when he moved Dortmund was up there challenging with Bayern. Bayern tried to be clever and wait for Sane and KDB price to become cheap. Also at times, Bayern didn't have the space in the squad to fit them in. I meant Robbery doesn't want to stay on the bench. You have Coman, Douglas Costa last season. Of course, a young player like Sane would find it hard not getting guaranteed game time. And understandably Bayern wouldn't want to risk too much money on squad players. Those were circumstances, but it's not as often when it comes to Bayern and Bundesliga.
 
He didn't even play for Dortmund at the time. Stop the wum.

I corrected it.

It is not a WUM, it is a fact. Reus chose Dortmund at a time when you weren't as absolutely dominant as you are now, Dortmund actually looked like they could put up a fight at one time and end the monopoly.
 
Yeah, I am arguing that Bayern has it easy when it comes to domestic talent, how outrageous of me, I really don't know what got over me.

I mean, not like there is a presedence for it or anything.
You said we could have simply gotten Hummels back earlier. We couldn’t. We tried. We failed. Do you think we liked to see someone from our academy being one of the mos important players of one of our rivals? I know we have a great position in that market. Denying it would be ridiculous. But to suggest we can just come in and take whoever we want is just wrong.
 
I'm sure you look back in horror at the time where you dominated the league at will. :lol:

I admitted that in my reply to you earlier, we used to get a lot of players from our own league back when we were dominant as well. But it never quite was at the level you operate.

Today a transfer between the top 6 in the PL is almost out of the question, unless an absolutely extortionate and ridiculous fee is paid, or the player specifically requests it.