Bundesliga 2016/17

NYAS said:
Just another Tuchel display.


- Do you prefer the style of football under Klopp or Tuchel more? I know there are some subtle differences.
- Overall, and based on what you've seen from Klopp and Tuchel so far, would you be able to say one is clearly better than the other? Has Tuchel solved anything that has been a problem under Klopp, and on the other hand, is there anything the team did better under Klopp compared to Tuchel?
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I think Tuchels system is better for the league: More consistent and more efficient against the parking teams. Though i believe in one off games against the very best (Bayern, Real, etc.) Klopp's system is the better one. He can get more than 100% out of his players in this kind of games and can make his side compete or even outlevel the very best, even if they have the better squad.

Klopps BVB was the best and most entertaining counter attacking side in the world imO. But they struggled heavily if they had to break down walls and that cost them the league against Bayern comfortably after all Bundesliga teams realized that. But it was good for the Champions League because teams like Real Madrid wouldn't park the bus. I remember even Guardiola let Bayern play very defensively against Klopps BVB.

I think in games against the very best Tuchels BVB will struggle as they are not as good as they were under Klopp on the counter but in terms of possession they are much better now but they can't match the likes of Barca and Bayern in that derpartment.
 
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Good luck for the HSV today!

Even if i believe they got zero chance. Btw: Anyone believing that Labbadia survives the season?
 
slig said:
Even if i believe they got zero chance. Btw: Anyone believing that Labbadia survives the season?
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If we lose today he'll be gone, so the chance that he survives this season is 0.0%.
 
do.ob said:
Now for cup competitions/big matches I'd give Klopp the edge. His problems with sustaining the effort during the daily grind don't come into play here, he's probably one of the best motiavtors in the world, his teams have made some very crazy comebacks and his style gets more effective the better(attacking) the team is. I think there are only a hand full of coaches at best who are better at than him.
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All true, including this passage, but there was one thing that bothered me with Klopp's team in knockout matches: They sometimes had problems with keeping their cool and cynically finishing off a match.

I can recall several games (can't name them though) where they had the game essentially wrapped up, but weren't able to control the opponent in its final stages. In the last 10 minutes or so they simply stopped playing football and just hoofed the ball away. They didn't even manage to launch their lethal counter attacks anymore (maybe exhaustion played a role). As a consequence they allowed a hyped-up opponent to make run after run at Dortmund's goal and got in trouble in games they had already won. This resulted in glorious crunch-time struggles for victory with a 'last stand' feel to it, but it often felt rather unnecessary to me.

So maybe the ability to run down the clock by choking the game with possession, or to play clean passes into open space for a last deadly counter might be a plus for Tuchel in the future.
 
OutlawGER said:
but in terms of possession they are much better now but they can't match the likes of Barca and Bayern in that derpartment.
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Under Pep i would agree. But i have the feeling that possession under Ancelotti plays a little role, and if somebody would be clever in parking the bus they would get problems. Unitl now it seems that their new play under Ancelotti is based on free space and free decisions in the opponents half and a Ribery who finaly feels good again now with Peps departure.
 
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What the feck are they doing in front of goal? Shocking stuff from Lewandowski and now Alaba.
 
Kostur said:
Should be a red for Ribery imo.
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It has simply become some kind of a sad running gag by now. In nearly a decade now in the Bundesliga this cúnt got away with hitting, ellbowing, stomping and poking and has never received a red card. Not once.
 
That pass by Thiago was just superb. Bayern after missing so many chances finally scored.
 
Sphaero said:
It has simply become some kind of a sad running gag by now. In nearly a decade now in the Bundesliga this cúnt got away with hitting, ellbowing, stomping and poking and has never received a red card. Not once.
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I think this is the second time already this season, first was against Dortmund (?).
 
Those are the matches you need to win if you want to win leagues. Hamburgers fought with 130% effort, and would have deserved a draw for that.
 
Kostur said:
Should be a red for Ribery imo.
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Iam so tired of this biased referee shit in this league. It was the 3 time (!) Ribery did this in the season and he never was sent off. Its a fecking joke going on here.
 
We cannot catch a break at the moment. Wonder what happens now, I'm praying that Labbadia won't be sacked with a guy like Gisdol coming in. Absolute shambles.
 
gofelx said:
We cannot catch a break at the moment. Wonder what happens now, I'm praying that Labbadia won't be sacked with a guy like Gisdol coming in. Absolute shambles.
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You played well in my eyes. Labbadia is a questionmark for me, sometimes he offers solid football, sometimes its not worth playing in the 1. Bundesliga.
 
Ribéry is getting away with murder this season, isn't he?

Tough match and credit where credit is due: Hamburg played great today, especially Adler. That pass from Thiago was pure gold, he's been in great form so far. Good to see.
 
And Bremen wins with 2 goals in the last minutes against Wolfsburg... :D

Leverkusen 9th, Wolfburg 12th, Schalke 18th...

Ah - and I forgot - Hamburg on the relegation rank again...
 
gofelx said:
We cannot catch a break at the moment. Wonder what happens now, I'm praying that Labbadia won't be sacked with a guy like Gisdol coming in. Absolute shambles.
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You played rather well today, but despite me respecting you to stick up for your club, HSV needs to be relegated this time. Bad. I've said this last season and I'll stick to my opinion, the club has not learned any lesson in the past few years. They need to feel the pain of 2nd league to make the changes that are needed, including a new club management. Unfortunately, it'll just be Labbadia getting the sack and he's probably the least responsible for bad management. He can only do so much with the means given to him.

Heads up, a year in 2nd league won't kill you guys. And a couple spicy matches vs. St. Pauli would probably give your ego the boost it needs. :)
 
slig said:
You played well in my eyes. Labbadia is a questionmark for me, sometimes he offers solid football, sometimes its not worth playing in the 1. Bundesliga.
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I don't get why it's even a debate for Hamburg. This man safed them from death (relegation) and just played the best season for years after that. Hamburg was nowhere close to relegation last season, he should still be celebrated for that if you consider how they were consistenlty doing before.

But no: Instead he's close of getting sacked after 4-5 games into the new season. Biggest joke of a club in history of the Bundesliga. :lol:

I just hope they get a coach like Gisdol now which finally brings them to league 2. The only place which they deserve!
 
OutlawGER said:
I just hope they get a coach like Gisdol now which finally brings them to league 2. The only place which they deserve!
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What's wrong with Gisdol. I actually liked his Hoffenheim side a lot and he saved them from relegation, kept them save in midtable for two seasons, almost qualifying for the EL before being prematurely fired a few games into his 4th season after a bad start. I still think Schalke should have given him the job the last 2 years because he'd be a great fit for their young talented attackers and midfielders.
 
Gisdol seems to be a very good coach and I totally understand clubs being interested in him. He seems to be proactive and modern in his approach too and I'm sure he's a good motivator as well.
 
Lagger said:
You played rather well today, but despite me respecting you to stick up for your club, HSV needs to be relegated this time. Bad. I've said this last season and I'll stick to my opinion, the club has not learned any lesson in the past few years. They need to feel the pain of 2nd league to make the changes that are needed, including a new club management. Unfortunately, it'll just be Labbadia getting the sack and he's probably the least responsible for bad management. He can only do so much with the means given to him.

Heads up, a year in 2nd league won't kill you guys. And a couple spicy matches vs. St. Pauli would probably give your ego the boost it needs. :)
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Yeah the myth of a great year in the 2nd division is still being brought up... Sorry but that is absolute nonsense, a relegation does not in any way hold any benefits for the club. Look at Stuttgart, Nürnberg, whoever! What exactly is it that is so great about playing there? Losing tons of money, losing all your best players, losing all your sponsors? No thank you. And yeah like a new club management will make all the difference. We need a complete rebuild, sure, not like we changed the whole management just a few years a go?

We had a bad start to the season but I still believe that we did a lot of right things last year and in the summer transfer window. Our team is one of the youngest in the League and they need time to gel. Unfortunately we had a rough start with our midfielders being injured during that time, but looking at the competition I don't see why we can't finish around 10th again. 5 matchdays played including Bayern, Leipzig and Leverkusen. Not like I expected 9 points from these. The media is absolutely sickening btw, asking for Labbadia to be sacked each matchday only to now say that he cannot be axed after that game against Bayern.
 
gofelx said:
The media is absolutely sickening btw, asking for Labbadia to be sacked each matchday only to now say that he cannot be axed after that game against Bayern.
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Labbadia is now sacked according to the news.

I stick to OutlawGER: why sack him? The board of HSV is incompetent. Iam not sure what i think about going into the 2.Bundesliga would be healthy for the HSV, but what i know is that this old rich Kühne guy would give you money even when you would be relegated. At some point, the stupidness of the last years have to be paid back. In the last 2 years the HSV was so lucky not being relegated, it was crazy.
 
There were only 2 minutes left (or one right referee decision...) that he and his squad got 1 point against Bayern. What would have happen if he got them? They played not like they will relegated.
 
That's harsh... they played really well. Makes it look as if the higher ups were only waiting for HSV to get trounced by Bayern so they could sack him swiftly. Now it's all a bit awkward in my eyes.
 
Very harsh. It would actually be an understandable decision if they have a genuine candidate on the line but as we all know the incompetence of the Hamburg board it'll be someone like Gisdol, so...
 
So stupid. I'll never understand why clubs fire managers so soon into the new season. If you have doubts and know a better person for the job, make the change before the season. If the club was convinced of the manager 6 weeks ago, then at least give him until the winterbreak and make the move then if nothing has changed for the better.
 
I really want to know why everyone hates Gisdol so much? Hoffenheim was so close to being relegated in more than one season until he stepped in and saved them. They have since been relatively safe. Gisdol saved them after taking them over at the end of a season. He then spent 2 full seasons there and got them close to the EL ranks even, until he got fired for a poor start in his 4th season. Surely doesn't sound that bad? Add to that the fact that his team was scoring goals for fun. Yes they were leaking goals too but they didn't really have much quality defensively so that's understandable.
 
The sacking has nothing to do with the game yesterday. No matter the result against Bayern, it was obvious from Beiersdorfers statements that Labbadia would be let go. Looking at the facts we simply didn't deliver, we are the worst team of 2016 points wise. With the investments that were made that is unacceptable. However, it looks like a new stop-gap will be brought in which fill fix none of the problems. I have no problem with the decision if we now sign a quality manager, but in September it is so difficult to bring said quality in sadly. So I have serious doubt that the new manager (looks like Gisdol atm) is a significant upgrade to what we had.
 
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