Both Rose and Nagelsmann doing a great job so far. Both likely to have successful managerial careers.
Bundesliga 19/20
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Wow, well done Gladbach & Rose.
Gladbach was the better team in the second half, especially since Embolo came on in the 58th. Thuram had a great time with Kimmich being too far up the pitch 1v1 against the right-sided centerback. Goretzka is just nowhere near good enough. A lot of this is down to Flick. That being said, the game could have ended differently if Bayern is more clinical in the first half.
The entitlement on the Bayern players is mind boggling.
We could and should have buried this in the first half.
Rose Vs Nagelsmann is the Bundesliga version of Klopp Vs Pep..
Müller, Kimmich and Neuer so salty at the end 
Stone wall penalty, no idea what they were complaining about, yes Embolo takes off but he has to protect himself from getting chopped given how Martinez is flying into that tackle.
Gotta say, quite unbelievable how Bayern goes away with 0 points from the last two matches, they were better in both with an incredible amount of chances. Still, they gotta question themselves how they completely turned off after they went up; first 60 minutes they were controlling everything, after that it was all Gladbach.
Stone wall penalty, no idea what they were complaining about, yes Embolo takes off but he has to protect himself from getting chopped given how Martinez is flying into that tackle.Gotta say, quite unbelievable how Bayern goes away with 0 points from the last two matches, they were better in both with an incredible amount of chances. Still, they gotta question themselves how they completely turned off after they went up; first 60 minutes they were controlling everything, after that it was all Gladbach.
Great second half from Gladbach. In the first they were shambolic. Embolo was very impactful sub.
Neuer especially raises his arm in protest basically every goal he concedes. Could be an uncontested shot from 40 meters out - he'd raise his arm. It has become a bit of a national meme.
Coutinho on the bench, I take it his loan is going even less well than the James one?
Surely Bayern can't just keep Flick for the rest of the season now he's starting to lose to some of the better Bundesliga teams. Really interested what they do, thought Poch would be a great fit for them but appears not.
Surely Bayern can't just keep Flick for the rest of the season now he's starting to lose to some of the better Bundesliga teams. Really interested what they do, thought Poch would be a great fit for them but appears not.
I will never get tired of this
Ask myself if Neuer knows how laughable it is at this point.Good to see how it goes with Bayerns new coaching star. BVB get some grip again, maybe Favre got out of his arse and finaly gets that BVB has to play offensive and has to use its squad. Still got doubts. But today some of the critic points where solved: no 4-3-2-1, DAZ played, Brandt as a 8, and so on. Hope that Favre sticks to it.
It looks more and more like Union Berlin are pulling a Düsseldorf/Darmstadt. Everyone (me included obviously) wrote them off before the start of the season, but they somehow keep collecting points left and right, despite playing pretty bland football with a pretty bland squad, augmented by a couple of has-beens like Subotic or Gentner. Four wins in a row now and with 10 minutes to go against Cologne the 5th seems all but certain. 19 points is massive after 14 games, as is a 11 point lead on the 17th which happens to be Cologne, who looked quite promising for a promoted side, but have been very disappointing.
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Surprised Koln have been so bad given they still have likes of Horn and Hector at the club and you'd have thought relegation would've woken them up. Anthony Modeste even came back although not the same magic as he had before he went off to China.
Yeah on the paper they seemed to be best prepared against a relegation, but somehow it doesn't click. Union in the other side is on a run like do.ob said. Great to see cause in my eyes they are the most sympathic club in the league right now, closely followed by Freiburg as always. Freiburg also collect points, which gives me a smile.
Their goal return (12) is pretty pathetic, so I guess it's their attack, though I have read that Horn has been quite shaky for a while, too. They invested quite a bit into their defense, but largely trusted the attack that got them promoted. Modeste, Cordoba and Terodde are three strikers who are 1.90, two of them are 31 years old and they usually play two of them, that doesn't exactly scream pace or fluidity.
Cordoba is a hard worker, but last season aside, woefully incompetent infront of goal, Terodde is the 2nd division's Gerd Müller, but often struggles to impact the game in the higher tempo, tighter spaces context of Bundesliga. Given that Modeste is playing second fiddle to both of them he might be past it.
Drexler collected 12g/11a and 9g/17a in his last two second division seasons, but he's never played top flight football before and his 1g/0a record suggests he's finding it difficult to adjust.
And that also tells the story of today's game. They tried to be compact, but couldn't counter attack, Union had little idea what to do with the ball either, so it ended up a proper shit show until Cologne conceded from a corner and that was bascially the game, as Union can be a very, very tough nut to crack defensively and Cologne had no idea/tool how to even put them under pressure.
The fired their coach, Beierlorzer, three weeks ago, he immediately signed with Mainz and in the three games since won 5-1 in Hoffenheim, and 2:1 against Frankfurt, before losing 1:2 against Augsburg yesterday, it's a very small sample size, but it suggests that coaching might not have been their biggest problem.
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Never rated Jhon Cordoba much when he was at Mainz. I was amazed when they let Modeste go and signed him for 15m as the replacement. That they're still relying on him as one of the main strikers in Bundesliga is a bit strange as he's very average at this levle as you say.
Surprised they haven't tempted Podolski back from Japan for another emotional homecoming.
Surprised they haven't tempted Podolski back from Japan for another emotional homecoming.
He's a a pretty good athlete and a hard worker, I guess in the right setup he could be an asset, with a couple of pacy goal scoreres around him who he could actually create space for. The problem wasn't necessarily that they bought someone like him, but how much they paid for him.
Dramatic finish to the match day in Bremen! Paderborn score in the 90th minute, after Bremen tried everything, but couldn't break through. The assistant waves his flag, everyone assumes it's offside, no contest or celebrations from the Paderborn players, and then the "routine" VAR check goes longer and longer and eventually overturns the call.
Cologne are now last, Paderborn finally reward themselves for their hard work and brave approach, while Bremen are now 14th. I rate Kohfeldt quite highly and think he's probably on Dortmund's shortlist to replace Favre, Bremen were probably hoping to sneak into Europe this season and now they are 10 points behind Bayern even and just two ahead of Düsseldorf. I think he's on the highway to the danger zone, especially since their next game in against Munich, who will be quite sharp after their recent losses and then they'll finish the year with games against Mainz and in Cologne, bad results there (relegation candidates themselves, those famous "6 pointers") will create a lot of pressure on the management to use the winter break for an adjustment.
Cologne are now last, Paderborn finally reward themselves for their hard work and brave approach, while Bremen are now 14th. I rate Kohfeldt quite highly and think he's probably on Dortmund's shortlist to replace Favre, Bremen were probably hoping to sneak into Europe this season and now they are 10 points behind Bayern even and just two ahead of Düsseldorf. I think he's on the highway to the danger zone, especially since their next game in against Munich, who will be quite sharp after their recent losses and then they'll finish the year with games against Mainz and in Cologne, bad results there (relegation candidates themselves, those famous "6 pointers") will create a lot of pressure on the management to use the winter break for an adjustment.
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Horn has been terrible this season and was already a bit dubious in Koln's relegated season. I really thought highly of him and though Dortmund should've signed him while they were thinking of a new keeper and eventually went for Burki. Maybe he should've moved to a bigger club earlier, like Ter Stegen who I also felt was stagnating in his last season at Gladbach before leaving for Barca and becoming the best goalkeeper in the world.
Kimmich? From the "kicker"-Post-match interview:Müller, Kimmich and Neuer so salty at the end
Nach dem Spiel diskutierten einige Bayern-Spieler mit dem Schiedsrichter Marco Fritz. Was war das Thema? Der Elfmeter?
Ich war nicht dabei, aber um den Elfmeter kann es nicht gegangen sein. Ich habe selten einen klareren Elfmeter gesehen.
Q: After the match some Bayern players talked to the referee Marco Fritz. What was that about? The penalty decision?
Kimmich: "I wasn' part of that but it can't possibly have been about the penalty. I rarely saw a more clear one."
The latest article of Freddie Röckenhaus (Süddeutsche Zeitung) convinced me that we would be better without Favre and that the he held us and the squad back. His stubborness and playing with handbrakes doesn't fit to us, our philosophy, the energy you can get our of this club and our squad.
Lets get some out of this season, CL spot somehow and a few good games in europe, but in the meantime Susi should fill his list with candidates and already make some calls.
article:
https://www.sueddeutsche.de/sport/bvb-bundesliga-champions-league-prag-1.4714546
Lets get some out of this season, CL spot somehow and a few good games in europe, but in the meantime Susi should fill his list with candidates and already make some calls.
article:
https://www.sueddeutsche.de/sport/bvb-bundesliga-champions-league-prag-1.4714546
Could it be that the little wannabe-leader of Bayern called Kimmich is somehow angry?
i'd be angry if he wasn't angry. And yes, like it or not, he is a leader. Problems with that?
Is he a second captain or something like that, Mannschaftsrat or something? Always felt that for example Müller and Neuer got something to say, and in the background there is a little Kimmich, struggling for importance, and thinking he is "the man".
he´s more a wanna-be-aggressive-leader; and for that he dives a lot. But I have no problem with him concerning his opinion respectively his post match interviews, he is not afraid to defend his views.
As a neutral Germany fan, I love Kimmich. Absolutely world class and would love to have him be captain. His tenacity and attitude is fantastic, along with his underrated ability.
He's already more of a leader on the pitch than Reus ever was.
I like him but he definitely has some annoying habits that make him come across as some wannabe thug from time to time. His fouls and antics are sometimes just so pointless. He's intelligent and has self reflection so he should focus on these things, like Lahm, Neuer, Schweini etc. did instead of acting like he's van Bommel.
So what the hell happened to witsel?
What does Reus have to do with this and why do people think they know how well some person they have never talked to in their life can lead a group of people they have never met in their life and then compare it to another person they have never met in their life and an entirely different group they have never met in their life?
Are people still falling for mica trolling them? He hides when Dortmund loses and reappears when they win and Bayern loses. There is a pattern.
Because the Kimmich comment of a Dortmund supporter, you see? Anyway, yes, it was stupid. I let my annoyance with the last two games get the better of me.
Pretty sure the guy got banned here about 2 yrs ago. Same behaviour pattern, same duct, same Dortmund zealotry, same subpar grammar.
Really frustrating as a Dortmund supporter as well by the way. I always feel like commenting because I feel he makes the fanbase look bad.
Concerning Kimmich I think he is great footballer and regarding talent/performance he is already a leader at Bayern. He does seem a bit cnutish at times (I really lost some respect after the Super Cup, not because of the foul but because he kept insisting that it wasn't intentional which it clearly was) but hey, he is still quite young and one of the best german footballers out of a pretty bad generation.
Thats exactly my feeling. I think he is a great footballer, i already recognized him when he was at Stuttgart and Leipzig. But his behaviour is sometimes over the top ans shows some arrogance, if he would change this and show some class he would develop into the spheres of Lahm.
I think you are the one who is trolling here. Sorry that i can't write after every game. But for you i confess: i think we are shit this season, and Bayern besides its deeplaying problems is still a tier above BVB.
You mean his current injury or his performances of the last weeks?
The injury. Out for the season due to a domestic injury? Smashed up his face?
It's been reported he fell down some stairs head first and broke his nose. Out for the rest of the calendar year only, he's supposed to return in January.
The last news was: out for the rest of this half of season. Smashed up his nose if i remember correctly. Will be fit again after the winterbreak.
It's a pity, cause Delaney is injured, too. But on the other side, this forces Favre to change something and get out of his stubborness. Witsel had to play every game, and normaly some break for him would have been good. And maybe this helps Weigl to get back on track, now he has to show some responsibility.
Oh my, you are correct. I can’t remember the name though.