Bruno Fernandes | United not interested due to doubts over passing ability

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RussellWilson said:
Your post makes no sense.

You claim no else is overpaying so why would we? I show you Real clearly are and you ignore it.

Barca were also happy to pay big for their targets. They were happy to pay for De Ligt bit not his agent and wage demands.

If we think we're not getting value on our targets move on or pay up. There are other players in the world and we only have 75 scouts. Amazes me how much people will bend over backwards to defend this shambles of a window.
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How are Real overpaying? They over paid for Hazard considering he had a year left on his contract... but he’s flipping Eden Hazard. If Chelsea would have sold to us and not Hazard wanted to come here i doubt the club would see it as a bad deal. Do you see it as a bad deal? Who else have they overpaid on?

In a world where Maguire is valued at £90m how is £65m overpaying for De Ligt? They chose not to overpay on his wages which again proves my point. They chose not to overpay. Who have they overpaid for?

It’s part of negotiations. No point saying move on that how we ended up with players that shouldn’t have been here in the first place. If that’s who Ole wants that’s who we will work on until he says get him instead.
 
Mainoldo said:
If they don’t accept a bid over X amount he gets £5m. What is so hard to grasp. I take that as we value you at this much and if we change our mind we are willing to give you bonus because of it. Similar to players getting new contracts after rejecting a bid which really was enough to be accepted.

Explain what bit of that exactly is hard to grasp?
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If they think they can get 70m they will eat a 5m bonus because 35m - 5m is greater than 0
 
People complain that we play negative football with no cohesion.

Yet when the idea of adding a midfielder/forward with genuine goal threat is suggested we'll apparently get slaughtered.

Madness.
 
Crashoutcassius said:
But all originating from overseas or Portuguese journalists? It is clear either Bruno wants to move on or sporting want to move him on, think it's pretty clear United interest is fleeting but we will revisit options if our current attacking midfielder leaves
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I think Simon Peach confirmed we were interested in him back in June so it isn't completely unfounded. That isn't to say the current rumours are
Mainoldo said:
If they don’t accept a bid over X amount he gets £5m. What is so hard to grasp. I take that as we value you at this much and if we change our mind we are willing to give you bonus because of it. Similar to players getting new contracts after rejecting a bid which really was enough to be accepted.

Explain what bit of that exactly is hard to grasp?
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Having originally implemented that into his contract doesn't mean they value him at that now mate. They know he's worth at least 20mil more than that. Eating €5mil isn't too had to stomach when you know you can get considerably more for him.
 
Mainoldo said:
How are Real overpaying? They over paid for Hazard considering he had a year left on his contract... but he’s flipping Eden Hazard. If Chelsea would have sold to us and not Hazard wanted to come here i doubt the club would see it as a bad deal. Do you see it as a bad deal? Who else have they overpaid on?

In a world where Maguire is valued at £90m how is £65m overpaying for De Ligt? They chose not to overpay on his wages which again proves my point. They chose not to overpay. Who have they overpaid for?

It’s part of negotiations. No point saying move on that how we ended up with players that shouldn’t have been here in the first place. If that’s who Ole wants that’s who we will work on until he says get him instead.
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Have you seen Reals other signings?

50m esch on Militao , Mendy, Rodrigo and Jovic. None of those guys are more accomplished than Fernandes.

Also if you haven't realised premier league teams have money and can afford to not sell their best assets. Which is why Maguire is valued at 75m plus and why we had to pay 50m for AWB.

Youre talking non sense. The club have failed to back Ole that's plain and clear. Signings before we left for tour Ole said. Failed. Many will not be with us next season Ole said. Failed. We will replace those that have left, Herrera and Felaini leave, no replacements. Failed. I doubt we will replace Lukaku, he'll probably fund the Maguire transfer. The club has failed miserably this summer.
 
rotherham_red said:
I think if we get Bruno, then it's a sure fire sign that Pogba will be off next summer. Bring Bruno this summer and get SMS next summer before letting Pogba go to Madrid. This'll re-order our midfield and ensure that all the bases are covered in terms of what Pogba provides us.
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Why? I don’t think it happens that way. We keep Pogba, we see how far we can go in the league and we assess again next year.
 
RussellWilson said:
Have you seen Reals other signings?

50m esch on Militao , Mendy, Rodrigo and Jovic. None of those guys are more accomplished than Fernandes.

Also if you haven't realised premier league teams have money and can afford to not sell their best assets. Which is why Maguire is valued at 75m plus and why we had to pay 50m for AWB.

Youre talking non sense. The club have failed to back Ole that's plain and clear. Signings before we left for tour Ole said. Failed. Many will not be with us next season Ole said. Failed. We will replace those that have left, Herrera and Felaini leave, no replacements. Failed. I doubt we will replace Lukaku, he'll probably fund the Maguire transfer. The club has failed miserably this summer.
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Who have they overpaid for? That was my question. We are not being tight over £50m players. Jovic isn’t more accomplished than Fernandes? He’s had one good season. At the end of the day if it’s £70m they want he’s not worth it amen as I’ll say again no one is overpaying whether clubs don’t have to sell or not.
 
Crashoutcassius said:
They only need to get 41m to make rejecting the 35m bid correct... does nobody find it wierd that we are talking about replacing pogba with a player that not a single club has bid 35m for yet ??
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To be fair we don't know that. If they bid or not or if he was compensated the 5M.
 
Mainoldo said:
No I understand it. I just kept it simple. But at the end of the day they said they would let him go for anything over that price and now they want double their money with no one willing to pay that.
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They always wanted the 70M or 60M I would think and he is well worth it. Whoever thinks other wise has not seen him play. Vinicius joined real for 50M from a Micky mouse league. Jovic had 1 good season and he too went for a big fee. Fernandes has been the best player in a league that CONSTANTLY produces top level talent for all the top clubs in the world and people want to low ball with 45-50M? Are you mad? FOR ONCE I actually applaud Sporting for not being soft and a bunch of pushovers because for years we have lost top talent for a bag of potatoes while the others reap the rewards of said player. If it was Benfica selling him for 70M it would be a bargain I bet.

Average players have gone for stupid fees. What else would he have to do?

1.Bruno back to back MVP in the league while playing for BY FAR the weakest of the big 3.

2. Has played in the CL and played well vs clubs like Barcelona.

3. Has performed well in the Europa league.

4. 16 goals 16 Assist season followed by a 33 goal 18 assist season.

5. Performance vs Liverpool starters to yet again show and prove his quality.

In todays market even 70M is taking the piss especially this close to the season beginning.
 
Really needs a tier 1 source to report something positive on this deal but that hasn't happened yet.
 
RussellWilson said:


Deal is in place for Bruno but is contingent on sales. He says he's only coming in if Pogba goes.
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Looks like a briefing on the rest of our purchases? Also the exact same story from a Press Association Journo about Maguire

Manchester United finally ready to meet Leicester's asking price for Harry Maguire if Romelu Lukaku deal is completed
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https://www.independent.ie/au/sport...romelu-lukaku-deal-is-completed-38351914.html

Lukaku funds Maguire

Pogba funds Bruno or SMS?
 
Just reading up on this guy - strange that he moved from Sampdoria back to Sporting in the Portuguese league. Does anyone know why he did that?
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
But we bid 70M for Maguire a couple of weeks back.
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because the lukaku exit has been in the works longer. Hence we have an idea of the likely minimum we'd get for him. Lukaku openly spoke about his exit and his admiration of conte/Inter on 11 JUN, our bid for maguire was rejected 2/JUL. From that moment on, nothing has happened with maguire because nothing progressed with lukaku.

Same with fernandes, all this talk about ANY MINUTE NOW!!!!, has been a joke because, imo, the likelihood is the deal for Fernandes,SMS is contingent on a Pogba sale.
 
Our sole threat and creative outlet from the midfield for the past few years had been Pogba, and only Pogba. All teams needed to do when playing against us is to double team Pogba. And yet most people here thinks that Bruno is a bad player to play with Pogba because well, he is a threat from midfield. Makes no fecking sense. If you guys had ever watched Bruno played, he is someone that presses a lot and is always willing to drop back to help the defensive shape. We are not talking about a luxury 10 here, not Ozil, Dybala, James type of 10, but more of a Silva type.

Pogba played with Pirlo and Marchisio in the midfield without any problems at all, and anyone here who thinks that Pirlo is a defensive god doesn't know anything, he strolls around the pitch most of the time and rarely puts in a tackle. Marchisio isn't a DM as well, he is more of a box-to-box midfielder. It depends more on how the team shape and pressing system is like, instead of the simplistic "hey look 3 midfielders 1 defend 1 attack 1 b2b ok we good, nono 2 midfield attack we ded" mindset.
 
Not sure if this has been said before, but I think the lack of incomings is due to the hold-up in the Lukaku deal. We have exceeded the 25 man squad limit with Lukaku included (I think we have 26 first teamers to be registered at the moment), so we need to make sure we make space and generate funds from his transfer first before we can confirm other high-profile incomings. Throw in Joel Pereira going on loan, and maybe Darmian sold or loaned, then we will have space for 2 new signings. If we want one more on top of that, like say Dybala, we will need to sell one more player, maybe Rojo.
 
I think if we sell Pogba, we will buy him.
This could happen, the way Zidane rush to sell Bale, they will go all in for Pogba.

Selling Lukaku for 75m and buying Maguire for 85m
Selling Pogba for 150m and buying Fernandes for 70m and Longstaff for 50m

I can see that happening.

Total spending this summer: AWB 50m, James 15m, Maguire 85m, Fernandes 70m, Longstaff 50m = 270m
Total profit: Lukaku 75m, Pogba 150m = 225m
Total net spend = 270m - 225m = 45m

We still manage to save up 55m from 100m budget.
 
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RedRonaldo said:
I think if we sell Pogba, we will buy him.
This could happen, the way Zidane rush to sell Bale, they will go all in for Pogba.

Selling Lukaku for 75m and buying Maguire for 85m
Selling Pogba for 150m and buying Fernandes for 70m and Longstaff for 50m

I can see that happening.

Total spending this summer: AWB 50m, James 15m, Maguire 85m, Fernandes 70m, Longstaff 50m = 270m
Total profit: Lukaku 75m, Pogba 150m
Total net spend = 270m - 225m = 45m

We still manage to save up 55m from 100m budget.
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I don't think it will be Longstaff(at least this season)I think the papers are just about getting it right,if Pogba and Lukaku go it'll be Maguire,Fernandes and SMS.
 
RedRonaldo said:
I think if we sell Pogba, we will buy him.
This could happen, the way Zidane rush to sell Bale, they will go all in for Pogba.

Selling Lukaku for 75m and buying Maguire for 85m
Selling Pogba for 150m and buying Fernandes for 70m and Longstaff for 50m

I can see that happening.

Total spending this summer: AWB 50m, James 15m, Maguire 85m, Fernandes 70m, Longstaff 50m = 270m
Total profit: Lukaku 75m, Pogba 150m = 225m
Total net spend = 270m - 225m = 45m

We still manage to save up 55m from 100m budget.
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Add SMS to this. That would be a good summer. All our issues will be sorted (except RW of course but I'm hoping Greenwood can step up) . None of the players that want to leave will be sticking around. All the new signings will give the squad a fresh look.
 
RedRonaldo said:
I think if we sell Pogba, we will buy him.
This could happen, the way Zidane rush to sell Bale, they will go all in for Pogba.

Selling Lukaku for 75m and buying Maguire for 85m
Selling Pogba for 150m and buying Fernandes for 70m and Longstaff for 50m

I can see that happening.

Total spending this summer: AWB 50m, James 15m, Maguire 85m, Fernandes 70m, Longstaff 50m = 270m
Total profit: Lukaku 75m, Pogba 150m = 225m
Total net spend = 270m - 225m = 45m

We still manage to save up 55m from 100m budget.
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Profit doesn’t mean what you think it does.
 
RedRonaldo said:
I think if we sell Pogba, we will buy him.
This could happen, the way Zidane rush to sell Bale, they will go all in for Pogba.

Selling Lukaku for 75m and buying Maguire for 85m
Selling Pogba for 150m and buying Fernandes for 70m and Longstaff for 50m

I can see that happening.

Total spending this summer: AWB 50m, James 15m, Maguire 85m, Fernandes 70m, Longstaff 50m = 270m
Total profit: Lukaku 75m, Pogba 150m = 225m
Total net spend = 270m - 225m = 45m

We still manage to save up 55m from 100m budget.
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We would be fecking crazy to spend 50 million on a CM who is currently injured and has played a grand total of 9 PL games. Similarly 85 mill for Maguire is absolute bonkers.
If we were indeed selling Pogba, I'm sure we would be trying a lot more to score our targets before the Pogba transfer. Because once these clubs know that we have 150 mill to spend, I expect Maguire to cost 100 mill + add ons and Longstaff to cost 75 mill. But knowing Woody, that's what I expect to happen
 
cesc's_mullet said:
Just reading up on this guy - strange that he moved from Sampdoria back to Sporting in the Portuguese league. Does anyone know why he did that?
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Sporting are a big European club with history and he had/has the chance to get a lot more exposure both via CL/EL Football and because of the size of the club in general and what it is known for. AC Milan and a few others were interested as well but Sporting jumped the gun quickly and pounced on the fact that Bruno always wanted to play for one of the big Portuguese clubs. In retrospect it was the best move he ever made as we helped develop him even more and now he is a player worth 70M.
 
Wouldn't surprise me if we are lining up SMS and Bruno as Pogba replacements from the reports in the last few days.

It's gone quiet on the Pogba front after the initial push from the agent and Madrid, now these reports we're agreeing fees for a combined £130million+ for the two.
 
theyneverlearn said:
Wouldn't surprise me if we are lining up SMS and Bruno as Pogba replacements from the reports in the last few days.

It's gone quiet on the Pogba front after the initial push from the agent and Madrid, now these reports we're agreeing fees for a combined £130million+ for the two.
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I think this is becoming pretty likely and in my view would represent a really promising window. If we could add Maguire also we would be looking a completely different prospect. Exciting.
 
Volumiza said:
I think this is becoming pretty likely and in my view would represent a really promising window. If we could add Maguire also we would be looking a completely different prospect. Exciting.
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Although I believe all transfer business should be done at the beginning of the window to give players more time to get used to the managers managers methods and gel with the team sooner, this is something that didn't happen and I'll just have to put up with.

I am hoping you are right on this as it would make me a lot more positive about this window than I currently am :D
 
Sanche7 said:
We would be fecking crazy to spend 50 million on a CM who is currently injured and has played a grand total of 9 PL games. Similarly 85 mill for Maguire is absolute bonkers.
If we were indeed selling Pogba, I'm sure we would be trying a lot more to score our targets before the Pogba transfer. Because once these clubs know that we have 150 mill to spend, I expect Maguire to cost 100 mill + add ons and Longstaff to cost 75 mill. But knowing Woody, that's what I expect to happen
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I think buying any players at the end of the window is silly as teams know that we are desperate and there is a good chance they add a few extra million to the fee when Woody already moans there is no value in the market.
 
Sanche7 said:
We would be fecking crazy to spend 50 million on a CM who is currently injured and has played a grand total of 9 PL games. Similarly 85 mill for Maguire is absolute bonkers.
If we were indeed selling Pogba, I'm sure we would be trying a lot more to score our targets before the Pogba transfer. Because once these clubs know that we have 150 mill to spend, I expect Maguire to cost 100 mill + add ons and Longstaff to cost 75 mill. But knowing Woody, that's what I expect to happen
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Yes we would be crazy to overpay so much for average players, but if we really sell Lukaku and Pogba, we will need to fill the gap, and given that time is running and we are load with cash, we may just get the deal done regardless.
 
ATXRedDevil said:
Profit doesn’t mean what you think it does.
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No need to complicate things, many clubs have to sell more in order to buy more, every club has a budget. Surely after selling Pogba/Lukaku we will have more funds to buy.
 
vanderpants said:
Pogba will stay another season so this deal wont happeb
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If there are buyers willing to meet our asking price, I’d rather sell him this summer, if we can get his replacement. He will be gone sooner or later anyway, and we don’t want to keep an unhappy player here, who always sulk when in bad mood.
 
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