Bruno Fernandes | United not interested due to doubts over passing ability

[bond19821982]

62m - that's robbery. Quite a bad deal for us. Hope he makes it here.

 

[Rightnr]

Bang on the money.

It's absolutely disgraceful we are being run as a League 1 club. We can spend 300m and it won't make a difference but the greedy bastards just want more and more money. Scum.

 

[charlenefan]

Deal is in place for Bruno but is contingent on sales. He says he's only coming in if Pogba goes.

While I guess you can argue who cares what other clubs are doing, but I think other top teams in the PL are finding things in the transfer market equally as tough at the moment, City for example have spent more or less the same as us over the last three transfer windows, Liverpool were big spenders last summer but that was due to the Coutinho money and are spending nothing this summer, Arsenal aren't spending money (remains to be seen if Pepe will happen), Spurs have bought one player having done absolutely nothing for previous 2 windows.

Both LVG and Mourinho were given insane amounts of money to spend and spend it they did, on duds. That level of investment was always going to dry up sooner or later, again Pep's insane spending has been cut but unlike us City's insane spending was done wisely

Essentially I have no real issue if we have to sell before we buy because we do need to sell as we have too many players on the books who are not good enough, you can argue someone like Sanchez should be out the door before Lukaku but if no one wants Sanchez then you take what you can so if we have to sell Lukaku to sign Maguire or Fernandes then do it

I'm not sure I buy into this chain of events where Real sell Bale to then buy Pogba so we can buy Fernandes though, Lukaku has sat out pre-season because a move is obviously on the cards, Pogba has started all but the very first pre-season game that suggests he's staying to me

 

[cyberman]

Answered already. France have likes of Matuidi and Kante to play alongside him.

No way are we playing both Pogba n Fernandes unless we switch to diamond. None whatsoever.

Matuidi plays further forward and Kante isn't anything special as a DM.
Bruno seems like a hard working player, he in front of Pogba and Scott could easily work.
Especially if Maguire joins as well.

 

[Jacob]

Bruno is really attacking judging by his numbers for Sporting. Pogba has always been better for United further forward. This is the general consensus.

Unless we play 442 diamond it just doesn't work for me. I don't think for a second Ole is thinking of playing Pogba Fernandes plus either Matic/mctom/Fred anyway.

You're going to end up disappointed. If Fernandes signs it will be because Pogba is off.

Good thing you're not in charge. You seem to think professional football players are molded for life, they evolve and adapt.

 

[Devil_forever]

While I guess you can argue who cares what other clubs are doing, but I think other top teams in the PL are finding things in the transfer market equally as tough at the moment, City for example have spent more or less the same as us over the last three transfer windows, Liverpool were big spenders last summer but that was due to the Coutinho money and are spending nothing this summer, Arsenal aren't spending money (remains to be seen if Pepe will happen), Spurs have bought one player having done absolutely nothing for previous 2 windows.

Both LVG and Mourinho were given insane amounts of money to spend and spend it they did, on duds. That level of investment was always going to dry up sooner or later, again Pep's insane spending has been cut but unlike us City's insane spending was done wisely

Essentially I have no real issue if we have to sell before we buy because we do need to sell as we have too many players on the books who are not good enough, you can argue someone like Sanchez should be out the door before Lukaku but if no one wants Sanchez then you take what you can so if we have to sell Lukaku to sign Maguire or Fernandes then do it

I'm not sure I buy into this chain of events where Real sell Bale to then buy Pogba so we can buy Fernandes though, Lukaku has sat out pre-season because a move is obviously on the cards, Pogba has started all but the very first pre-season game that suggests he's staying to me

Amen to every word, one of the best posts I’ve seen on here in a long while. It’s like our fans have forgotten just how much we’ve spent and how our rivals have spent/spending.

 

[Nou_Camp99]

Good thing you're not in charge. You seem to think professional football players are molded for life, they evolve and adapt.

No I just don't bury my head in the sand like you lot. Pogba hasn't been amazing in any position for us overall but I'd say he's been worst in a 2 than he has when he's been the AM or the left of a diamond.

Some people just can't seem to grasp it. Pogba is just not the same player when he's made to do more of the ugly side of the game.

I don't want to see us play him there. Rather sell him. Pogba is an attacking player.

 

[RussellWilson]

Just because we have the money doesn’t mean we spend £100m on and £70m player. Theres your answer.

And you're ok with that? We won't improve our squad because we're unwilling to pay what it will take to get the managers targets?

When we have record turn overs and continue to fail to get the managers targets due to perceived value that is the Glazers refusing to spend.

 

[Suvvernmanc]

Bruno is really attacking judging by his numbers for Sporting. Pogba has always been better for United further forward. This is the general consensus.

Unless we play 442 diamond it just doesn't work for me. I don't think for a second Ole is thinking of playing Pogba Fernandes plus either Matic/mctom/Fred anyway.

You're going to end up disappointed. If Fernandes signs it will be because Pogba is off.

I dont believe Pogba is off. He has 3 years on his contract and weve shut Real down. We hold the cards this time. Pogba and his agent can say what they like, it's not up to them.

Bruno can play as an 8 in a midfield 3 as his work rate is so high. His numbers are magnificent for someone who drops deep as much as he attacks. His defensive contribution is superb.

He is primarily a 10 though for Sporting. His assist and goals record proves his worth playing further forward.

We played a diamond most of the time under Ole last season. What makes you think otherwise?. Bruno will slot in perfect in the setup that we played.

In a 4231 which we have played all of pre season, Bruno in the 10 and Pogba in a 2 man midfield will be deployed against teams that sit back against us. Not all PL teams play the same way which means we will setup different throughout the season. Pogba in a 2 will work some games and Pogba/Bruno in a diamond midfield/433 other games.

 

[Cliche Guevara]

No I just don't bury my head in the sand like you lot. Pogba hasn't been amazing in any position for us overall but I'd say he's been worst in a 2 than he has when he's been the AM or the left of a diamond.

Some people just can't seem to grasp it. Pogba is just not the same player when he's made to do more of the ugly side of the game.

I don't want to see us play him there. Rather sell him. Pogba is an attacking player.

Pogba sets up stuff. There’s a number of ways to play a player like that.

 

[Nou_Camp99]

Pogba sets up stuff. There’s a number of ways to play a player like that.

Of course he does. Hes a quality footballer.

But he's been at his best for United when NOT played deep. Anyone who denies this is simply trying to kid themselves.

Pogba's best games for us have come as furthest man forward of the midfielders.

 

[Nou_Camp99]

I dont believe Pogba is off. He has 3 years on his contract and weve shut Real down. We hold the cards this time. Pogba and his agent can say what they like, it's not up to them.

Bruno can play as an 8 in a midfield 3 as his work rate is so high. His numbers are magnificent for someone who drops deep as much as he attacks. His defensive contribution is superb.

He is primarily a 10 though for Sporting. His assist and goals record proves his worth playing further forward.

We played a diamond most of the time under Ole last season. What makes you think otherwise?. Bruno will slot in perfect in the setup that we played.

In a 4231 which we have played all of pre season, Bruno in the 10 and Pogba in a 2 man midfield will be deployed against teams that sit back against us. Not all PL teams play the same way which means we will setup different throughout the season. Pogba in a 2 will work some games and Pogba/Bruno in a diamond midfield/433 other games.

A diamond may work. Never said it wouldn't.

But Pogba playing deep in a 2 is a huge huge waste. He's been at his best at United when played anywhere but there.

 

[luke511]

This would definitely work.

Pogba Fernandes
McTominay
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[Trophy Room]

These latest rumours are all bullshit imo.

 

[Mainoldo]

And you're ok with that? We won't improve our squad because we're unwilling to pay what it will take to get the managers targets?

When we have record turn overs and continue to fail to get the managers targets due to perceived value that is the Glazers refusing to spend.

But that’s the market. Who overspends on their earned collateral? No club.. not us not Real Madrid not Barca. What makes you think we should be different just because we hate our owners.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

@Nou_Camp99

It depends on the opposition team as well. We played with Mata & Pogba in midfield 3 against Juve & Chelsea and it worked.

I think they both can still play in midfield 3 together against mid table or lesser team at Old Trafford. Against team like Liverpool or City or Spurs or any team in away games we might need to change the formation if we want to play both players.

 

[Gopher Brown]

This would definitely work.

Pogba Fernandes
McTominay
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I think we’d get slaughtered every week.

No defence, no keeper, no forwards.

 

[Mainoldo]

While I guess you can argue who cares what other clubs are doing, but I think other top teams in the PL are finding things in the transfer market equally as tough at the moment, City for example have spent more or less the same as us over the last three transfer windows, Liverpool were big spenders last summer but that was due to the Coutinho money and are spending nothing this summer, Arsenal aren't spending money (remains to be seen if Pepe will happen), Spurs have bought one player having done absolutely nothing for previous 2 windows.

Both LVG and Mourinho were given insane amounts of money to spend and spend it they did, on duds. That level of investment was always going to dry up sooner or later, again Pep's insane spending has been cut but unlike us City's insane spending was done wisely

Essentially I have no real issue if we have to sell before we buy because we do need to sell as we have too many players on the books who are not good enough, you can argue someone like Sanchez should be out the door before Lukaku but if no one wants Sanchez then you take what you can so if we have to sell Lukaku to sign Maguire or Fernandes then do it

I'm not sure I buy into this chain of events where Real sell Bale to then buy Pogba so we can buy Fernandes though, Lukaku has sat out pre-season because a move is obviously on the cards, Pogba has started all but the very first pre-season game that suggests he's staying to me

Very good post!! This is all true whilst everything else just seems to be glamorised because it’s United. However we do need 3 more players, but the market is not easy.

 

[Tarrou]

why are people acting like this is happening?

 

[Suvvernmanc]

A diamond may work. Never said it wouldn't.

But Pogba playing deep in a 2 is a huge huge waste. He's been at his best at United when played anywhere but there.

Very rarely has he played a defensive role in a 2 man midfield. Jose played 433 alot and expected Pogba, Herrera, Lukaku, Rashford or anyone on the pitch at that time to dig in and defend.

Pogba absolutely needs a role where he roams about without the restrictions that Jose pit on him. He's a clever player and for France he showed he can from deep and start attacks. His stats in the world cup for this were great. We've all seen him creating and getting forward so think this is where we he should be almost the time. A free role for Pogba is one that he defends also.

You didnt say a diamond wouldn't work. You said that Pogba and Bruno wouldn't work together which is rubbish. But the reality is that both can contribute defensively and both can get forward and attack.

A formation isn't as rigid as your making out. The team adapts during games depending on the opposition. They are clever professional players who read the game and adapt when needed.

 

[Alemar]

why are people acting like this is happening?

Why shouldn’t it? Makes a lot of sense

 

[AR87]

Pogba will stay. Every player we've been strongly linked to or already brought in complements him in a 4-2-3-1 setup.

AWB locks up our right flank.

James provides genuine width in the attacking third and a vertical passing option constantly making runs, as well as an attacker that presses from the front to make countering on us harder when we turn over the ball with numbers forward.

Fernandes is a quality 10 who provides creativity with through balls but also has a tendency to drift right in the attacking third and whip crosses in. Pogba on the other hand drifts to the left. Fernandes is also a hard working defensive player who is very good at pressing and tracking back.

Longstaff has played his best football in a double pivot.

Maguire provides a CB capable of breaking the lines with his passes allowing Pogba to stay higher and not having to drop deep to co

You're going to end up disappointed. If Fernandes signs it will be because Pogba is off.

Pogba will stay. Every player we've been strongly linked to or already brought in complements him in a 4-2-3-1 setup.

AWB locks up our right flank.

James provides genuine width in the attacking third and a vertical passing option constantly making runs, as well as an attacker that presses from the front to make countering on us harder when we turn over the ball with numbers forward.

Fernandes is a quality 10 who provides creativity with through balls but also has a tendency to drift right in the attacking third and whip crosses in. Pogba on the other hand drifts to the left. Fernandes is also a hard working defensive player who is very good at pressing and tracking back.

Longstaff has played his best football in a double pivot.

Maguire provides a CB capable of breaking the lines with his passes allowing Pogba to stay higher and not having to drop deep constantly to get on the ball.

 

[Nou_Camp99]

Very rarely has he played a defensive role in a 2 man midfield. Jose played 433 alot and expected Pogba, Herrera, Lukaku, Rashford or anyone on the pitch at that time to dig in and defend.

Pogba absolutely needs a role where he roams about without the restrictions that Jose pit on him. He's a clever player and for France he showed he can from deep and start attacks. His stats in the world cup for this were great. We've all seen him creating and getting forward so think this is where we he should be almost the time. A free role for Pogba is one that he defends also.

You didnt say a diamond wouldn't work. You said that Pogba and Bruno wouldn't work together which is rubbish. But the reality is that both can contribute defensively and both can get forward and attack.

A formation isn't as rigid as your making out. The team adapts during games depending on the opposition. They are clever professional players who read the game and adapt when needed.

No I said they wouldn't work in a 3. A diamond is a totally different proposition as it enables you to play another more defensive minded player too.

My gut says Pogba will still leave anyway. Fernandes or Savic replaces him and we buy Longstaff as well.

 

[Crashoutcassius]

Can't believe people still buy this Portuguese nonsense after gaitan and william carvolho etc etc etc

 

[Crashoutcassius]

Why shouldn’t it? Makes a lot of sense

Nonsense Portuguese link. Utter nonsense. These made up sources are just never ever correct

 

[RussellWilson]

But that’s the market. Who overspends on their earned collateral? No club.. not us not Real Madrid not Barca. What makes you think we should be different just because we hate our owners.

Real who have already spent close to 300m this summer, and yes they have paid big for unproven quantities bar Hazard, because like us they need to rebuild. Barca have spent nearly 200m.

We're a squad that desperately needs investment, so guess what, teams smell the desperation. So either we pay or continue to on our spiral of failure. It's not even a lot when you consider our recent spending.

 

[NewGlory]

So we have around £200m to spend, have spent around 65m and are just twiddling our thumbs until the last day of window to get the remaining signings done?

Who said we have "£200m to spend"? Maybe it is 100, or 350? It's all pure speculation. For all we know Woodward wakes up in the morning, sticks his finger out of the window and decides what to do for the day... Um, actually scratch that because that would lead to more predictable behavior than his actual one...

 

[Rozay]

Genuinely scares me how people on here think we could play Pogba n Fernandes in a 3 man midfield.

Fernandes was always going to be a replacement for him. Pogba n Fernandes just leaves too much to do for a DM.

Don’t get this. Assuming we don’t get Bruno, we will likely just play Mata or Lingard instead. Does that add any more security? We have played Pogba all pre-season as part of a midfield no more secure than any one Bruno (if this phantom signing ever happened) would be part of.

 

[Tarrou]

Why shouldn’t it? Makes a lot of sense

because its not

 

[Mainoldo]

Real who have already spent close to 300m this summer, and yes they have paid big for unproven quantities bar Hazard, because like us they need to rebuild. Barca have spent nearly 200m.

We're a squad that desperately needs investment, so guess what, teams smell the desperation. So either we pay or continue to on our spiral of failure. It's not even a lot when you consider our recent spending.

Real have spent £80m on Eden Hazard everyone else was a reasonable fee for who they are. They have also blown there budget as proven buy not having the money to get Pogba. United’s Most expensive signing will be Maguire at touching £90m how does that add up?

Barca have blown there money on Griezmann refused to get hustled for De Ligt and paid a reasonable fee for De Jong. Who is our Griezmann that we are looking at and is Bruno Fernandes in the same talent pool as De Jong? Again.. it doesn’t add up.

We aren’t disparate at all with just got a media circus pushing this narrative and everyone but the club are taking the bait. Hence why we are not blowing £60m on a player that has a £35m bid clause.

 

[TMDaines]

Can get 15/8 on him not leaving Sporting.

 

[Crashoutcassius]

Real have spent £80m on Eden Hazard everyone else was a reasonable fee for who they are. They have also blown there budget as proven buy not having the money to get Pogba. United’s Most expensive signing will be Maguire at touching £90m how does that add up?

Barca have blown there money on Griezmann refused to get hustled for De Ligt and paid a reasonable fee for De Jong. Who is our Griezmann that we are looking at and is Bruno Fernandes in the same talent pool as De Jong? Again.. it doesn’t add up.

We aren’t disparate at all with just got a media circus pushing this narrative and everyone but the club are taking the bait. Hence why we are not blowing £60m on a player that has a £35m bid clause.

Not sure you understand the clause.. doesn't mean you can have him for 35

 

[Mainoldo]

Not sure you understand the clause.. doesn't mean you can have him for 35

No I understand it. I just kept it simple. But at the end of the day they said they would let him go for anything over that price and now they want double their money with no one willing to pay that.

 

[AbusementPark]

Too much noise for it not to be true

 

[RussellWilson]

Real have spent £80m on Eden Hazard everyone else was a reasonable fee for who they are. They have also blown there budget as proven buy not having the money to get Pogba. United’s Most expensive signing will be Maguire at touching £90m how does that add up?

Barca have blown there money on Griezmann refused to get hustled for De Ligt and paid a reasonable fee for De Jong. Who is our Griezmann that we are looking at and is Bruno Fernandes in the same talent pool as De Jong? Again.. it doesn’t add up.

We aren’t disparate at all with just got a media circus pushing this narrative and everyone but the club are taking the bait. Hence why we are not blowing £60m on a player that has a £35m bid clause.

Your post makes no sense.

You claim no else is overpaying so why would we? I show you Real clearly are and you ignore it.

Barca were also happy to pay big for their targets. They were happy to pay for De Ligt bit not his agent and wage demands.

If we think we're not getting value on our targets move on or pay up. There are other players in the world and we only have 75 scouts. Amazes me how much people will bend over backwards to defend this shambles of a window.

 

[Crashoutcassius]

No I understand it. I just kept it simple. But at the end of the day they said they would let him go for anything over that price and now they want double their money with no one willing to pay that.

When did they actually say they would let him go for 36m ?

 

[Crashoutcassius]

Too much noise for it not to be true

But all originating from overseas or Portuguese journalists? It is clear either Bruno wants to move on or sporting want to move him on, think it's pretty clear United interest is fleeting but we will revisit options if our current attacking midfielder leaves

 

[Ronaldo's Mum Eh?]

If we don't sign him, we will regret it big time.

We're absolutely pathetic. This should have been done early. Why are we AGAIN leaving a major rebuild until the last 10 days? Our management is truly pathetic. Disgrace. (drogba voice)

 

[Crashoutcassius]

If we don't sign him, we will regret it big time.

We're absolutely pathetic. This should have been done early. Why are we AGAIN leaving a major rebuild until the last 10 days? Our management is truly pathetic. Disgrace. (drogba voice)

Think he would only ever be to replace pogba so why are we a disgrace? Should we not be holding out for top dollar for pogba or should we let him go for 90m so that we aren't a disgrace any more?

 

[Mainoldo]

When did they actually say they would let him go for 36m ?

If they don’t accept a bid over X amount he gets £5m. What is so hard to grasp. I take that as we value you at this much and if we change our mind we are willing to give you bonus because of it. Similar to players getting new contracts after rejecting a bid which really was enough to be accepted.

Explain what bit of that exactly is hard to grasp?