I’d say Rooney was a leader who moaned quite a bit too. Neville probably the worst
Bruno Fernandes Out?
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I’d say Rooney was a leader who moaned quite a bit too. Neville probably the worst
Leader shouldn't moan all the time, it sets bad example for "folowers".
Keane was real deal and you know he would back his moaning. And he was hard as nail. With Bruno its just like weak farts.
Great player.
He doesn’t do it for Portugal for some reason. Don’t know if it’s because they have more leaders or what it is.
Anyway I hope the new rule of only the captain being allowed to approach the referee is implemented in football across all competition for next season. It will literally be his job to try to influence the referee.
How does he not back up his moaning? He’s been our best player for years. Or is a player only allowed to moan if they tackle opponents a lot? If so, I don’t follow the logic.
Don’t disagree massively with the point you’re making re Bruno.
But I definitely wouldn’t describe Keane as moaning on the pitch, which suggests an air of petulance and indirectness about it that wasn’t there with Keane - he was just very demanding and set high standards.
Could say he shouted at players but it’s different to Bruno, who does have more of a moaning tendency imo. I love him as a player but there’s still room for him to grow as a leader. What he does do like Keane though is lead through his performance levels and work-rate, which is still the most important part.
The problem is that he has an annoying face.
Handsome moaner
Ugly moaner
Cristiano moaning "Oh what a leader"
Bruno moaning "Fecking prick"
The problem is that he has an annoying face.
Handsome moaner
Ugly moaner
Cristiano moaning "Oh what a leader"
Bruno moaning "Fecking prick"
I do understand that rival fans hate him for how he acts.
And I do agree with @Theon that there is room for improvement. Just don’t agree that he’s not a leader because he moans.
Sure if he got bookings and suspensions constantly because of it, but that’s not the case.
Of there is a top offer, 100m plus, and we manage to get a top replacement, it would be ok to sell
All the geniuses who keeps saying about selling Bruno seem to overlook the tiniest of details - namely how very very few of our signings are successful.
So they're putting a heck of a lot of faith in us being able to buy one or 2 brilliant attackers to make up for his output.
So they're putting a heck of a lot of faith in us being able to buy one or 2 brilliant attackers to make up for his output.
How much of the last 10 years suggests we'd be able to pick and secure a top replacement?
Folks talking about making up for his output, his deficiencies will not be missed though and lead to our midfield being more solid. I would even move Mainoo forward if we are to stick with a 4231 and play two CMs behind him or play him as one of two 8s Infront of a 6. We can then focus on signing a wide attacker that can create more. It's not as complicated as y'all make it out to be and I like Bruno but we won't be lost without him. You're thinking in a vacuum where we won't replace him, it may be an inferior individual player or players we buy but they will benefit the team unit much more.
Which winger would you sign that could replace Bruno’s created chances?
Kvara is the obvious option but hard to deal with Napoli, you have Rafa Leao, Kubo any of these three will add instant offence but once again you're looking at it in a vacuum, we play the way we do because of Bruno so everything flows through him, it would flow through multiple channels without him so the creative burden will be spread out.
Partly true. Part of it is also the fact that apart from Amad who has played very little, we don’t really have creative wingers. So it’s also the other way around. Everything has to run through him because our forward line struggles to create anything.
So in that sense the new winger would almost have to replace his numbers. Unless we give more trust to Amad who steps up to another level.
We have bigger issues and players that should be sold ahead of Bruno.
Because you only look towards next season. Which is shortsighted. Not that it isn't important but when you take into consideration not just the next but the next 2-3 or even 5 seasons, then it shouldn't be too hard to at least acknowledge why people think about cashing in when the chance is there. Doesn't mean you have to agree, but it isn't as crazy as you make it out.
My thoughts completely. Again - the decisions would be made based on nothing but hope. Hoping that those players would replicate their best forms not continuing their natural trends.
Lets face it: let Bruno stay and there will also people losing patience or blaming ETH. So the player itself isn't a factor in it. I know there are a few fans who think we are close to "something big" or "we need just one or two key transfers" but the chances are, the next big rebuild will come even before we make the current team "competetive". So yes - patience will be a problem. But selling or keeping Bruno is just a footnote in that context.
We deservedly got 8th in the league. Many metrics had us even lower. Not sure, why any player should be "locked". (I get it in connection with Mainoo. I get it mostly in connection with Garnacho and Onana. And I probably wouldn't start a fight when talking about Dalot. But thats it)
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We have new people and a new structure. Much more than a year or so ago
When will these types of posts stop? Different structure in place. Why are people not willing to give the benefit of the doubt and see how things pan out with so many new people on board.
It will stop when we start to be sensible. We alll got a little bit of trauma because of last 10 years.
I love Bruno but 100m is great money for a near 30 year old. It doesn't help that he wants a salary increase, had whored his way to other clubs in a bid to get it at United, the money is tight and we're at the early steps a 3-4 year rebuild.
You seem to be confusing a second striker with an attacking midfielder. Neither of Cantona, Rooney or Sheringham were attacking midfielders. They were centre forwards or second strikers, but were versatile enough to play various attacking roles like most football players have to do on occasion. So yeah, all of our success has been without an attacking midfielder. Why are you talking about two forwards in Cole and Yorke? If anything, you're just proving my point by showing that our goals and assists came from our forwards, and not an attacking midfielder.
You're missing the point here. This is not about what formation we've had most success with, or how good certain players were. We have never relied on an attacking midfielder to be the catalyst in our attack during our successful periods. It has always been the forwards. Cantona, Rooney, Sheringham, Solskjaer, Yorke, Cole, Ronaldo, Tevez, Berbatov, van Nistelrooy, van Persie. They're forwards or attackers, not attacking midfielders. Now and historically, most successful teams have unsurprisingly relied on their forward line for their offensive output.
I think Bruno, Mainoo, Shaw, Martinez, Dalot, Rashford, Garnacho, Onana and Hoijlund are good enough for a team with top 4 aspirations. Last season was just weird on so many fronts - can't account for the coach deploying kamikaze tactics all season long or missing 2/4 of your backline for the whole season.
Sort the midfield anchor, CB, a striker to rotate Hoijlund in and out as he undergoes growing pains and a LB to cover/compete with Shaw then we can return to where we should be and then consolidate. Ashworth and his team coming in should be on the lookout for that mercurial forward who can turn games on the fly or who brings buckets of goals and assists to raise the level of the team.
Bruno will still fetch a considerable sum next summer, if we must sell him. I prefer a situation where our rebuild is phased, even if we spend £500m this summer we ain't turning into title contenders on the back of that. I want a situation where Ashworth and the recruitment team get to work all season long, hopefully we have new fitness and performance guys who can, over the season, work on the physicality of our players, so that by summer of 2025 we know who we can rely on and the new guys should have properly identified the next batch of players to take us up a level or two.
I the summer of 26, hopefully a couple of top 4 finishes and mid level trophies (EL, FA Cup), our balance sheet and cash position should be healthier and we are in a position to compete for the top young players that would have emerged. If all goes well this is how we should extricate ourselves from this. The signings we are making this season are floor raises to ensure that no matter how bad things go we should never fall to last season's level ever again.
The benefit of ETH, despite his weaknesses, is that he is not afraid to bring in young players who deserve a shot. Kobie and Garnacho have saved us at least £100m in transfer fees, if he can add another two or three then not only will our selection will improve but also our finances. That's the one saving grace we can derive from his stay.
Bruno is as I repeat one of the few leaders we have, if we had more leaders then he wouldn't moan as much just like for portugal. Rivals fan hate Bruno and bring up his moaning as a way to slag off United fans, they would all love to have him.The other point is he's one of the few WC players we have. Who's out there that can perform to his level?
No, you’re missing the point.
In every tradition and every period of success, we had played with two forwards and two wingers. 4 players have been responsible for goals and creativity.
You’re suddenly now arguing the point that we don’t need Bruno or an AM because traditionally we’ve never relied on goals/creativity from midfield; but that’s because we’ve always had 2 wingers and a second striker, you’re now saying you wouldn’t have the second striker and you would even take away our attacking midfielder and thus leave us for the first time in our history we’re relying on just 3 players for goals / creativity.
You’re even more bizarrely using history/traditions to prove this can work, when we’ve never ever fecking done it in our history. We’re in our most conservative period now, turning that traditional Rooney/Cantona second striker into an AM, feck knows how shite we’d be if we went even more conservative and went with a 3 man midfield.
If we’re gonna be changing our style and moving in a Barca esque system with:
DM
No. 8. No. 8
Wing Forward. Wing Forward
Striker
Then make no mistake, this will be the first time in our history we’ve done it successfully, so we certainly can’t look into the past.
For it to work, we’ll need 2 incredible number 8’s, 2 exceptional and productive wingers, and a prolific striker. It’ll be a complete new squad and a system we’ve never been successful with.
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4 players having been responsible for our goals and creativity is an entirely different argument, and it's not what we were discussing. Two forwards and two wingers are attackers. My only point was that we've never relied on an attacking midfielder to be the creative talisman for our creativity and offensive threat. You talk about Rooney, Sheringham and Cantona, but they are forwards, not midfielders. We played with an extra attacker. What is there to discuss?
I'm not saying we need to play with 3 players responsible for our attack to have a functional attack, but similarly, we don't need 4 to make it work just because that's what we've done before. And when did I use history and traditions to prove what I said can work? I'm repeating myself here, but what I said was that we haven't relied on an attacking midfielder, but forwards. Whether it's 3, 4 or 5 players responsible for our creativity is completely irrelevant. They weren't attacking midfielders.
Edit: I see your edited your post. The formation you posted was a personal preference for me. It is not required, and I never said it will work. It is just what I personally would do. I also think you're making it a bit more complicated than it is. Get Nico Williams or Kvaratskhelia in on the left (assuming we get in the other players we're linked with) and a great number 8, and we're set. It doesn't have to be Xavi or Iniesta and Messi on the right for a simple 4-3-3 to work.
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So. Click bait media suggesting PIF want him in Saudi to join Ronaldo.
I’ll bite. What would be an acceptable transfer fee for him?
I’ll bite. What would be an acceptable transfer fee for him?
I think it's unlikely, given the amount it would take to be replaced. However, theoretically given his age and profile if a massive offer came in it would be hard to turn down (especially if he wanted the move).
I would say £75million...?
Agree that it’s unlikely for all the reasons you point out.
id be after a league record though fee wise if it were to happen somewhere closer to 100 if we could squeeze it
You’ve posted multiple times that we don’t need an attacking midfielder because we’ve never before relied on creativity from midfield when we’ve been successful in the past.
But we haven’t because we’ve always had 4 forwards, someone has always been doing Bruno’s job even further up the pitch, so your point is moot.
I don’t mind the idea of a DM & two number 8’s, but if anyone considers this squad even remotely capable of that I’d say they are stark raving bonkers. One of those 8’s would need to have Bruno levels of creativity and we’d need to upgrade all 3 of our front line.
I think currently we’re best getting the back 4 in order, getting in a new quality DM so to make us much better in possession & able to squeeze the space.
They are the priorities for me as this will bring the midfield (including Bruno) much closer to our attack without leaving acres of space behind them like last season.
If we do that successfully I think Bruno, Højlund and our selection of wingers can do enough to make us a much more competitive side next season.
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800m pounds. Or 200m, I'm feeling generous
Seems reasonable haahaa
Seems to be a decent source for the Saudis
Reslly doesn’t matter, not a chance a 29 yo Bruno moves to Saudi.
https://www.teamtalk.com/manchester...bruno-fernandes-talks-star-favoured-next-club
Exclusive: Man Utd give Saudis permission to begin Bruno Fernandes talks as star selects favoured next club
Exclusive: Man Utd give Saudis permission to begin Bruno Fernandes talks as star selects favoured next club
Pretty appalling source.
Highly doubt Fernandes will want to go to Saudi. He’s a pretty ambitious player. He likes competing against the best teams in the best leagues.
That is not a source brother.
Unless you know him that’s totally speculative.
I actually love Bruno, top top player who always gives everything. He scores goals and creates goals, works his socks off as well. It would absolutely terrible if we sold him.
The only way it's even remotely acceptable is for massive massive money, north of 100m kind of money. Even then I don't think we can replace what he brings to the club.
The only way it's even remotely acceptable is for massive massive money, north of 100m kind of money. Even then I don't think we can replace what he brings to the club.
The point which you've missed isn't that people don't hope things will improve. We all do.
It's that it'd be daft shipping our best player off on this hope we bring in game changers.
Ship the weaker players off first. That seems the obvious approach.
It's a total media fabrication.