Brian Charles Lara

sincher said:
Not as much as me, I bet. Which makes him redundant, because you can all come to me with any problems you might have*.

* I'll ignore them, as I can't be arsed. Just to be clear on that.

Just tell them to wipe their hard drives.
 
vijay said:
You havent watched the cricket in the 80's so its better to listen than resorting to cut and paste arguments. Read Post No 158 ...If you can really read and understand

Also Lara is better than Tendulkar.
And you have not watched Bradman play or most of the Sobers career.

Your explanation in post no.158 is only concerning the sunny-viv issue. It merely makes the point that they peaked at different time. But they still played in the same era, any cricket fan would think of Viv in WI team when Gavaskar was in India's. But you are going out of your way to avoid accepting your mistake there.

I could digest someone rating lara more than Sachin but he certainly ain't " head and shoulders" above him.

And you still havent replied to
"
There after to show that Holding > Marshall, used testimony by other cricketers who played against them. That parameter would effectively nullify you claim that Lara is better than Sachin, given the fact almost every prominent cricketer like Warne, waugh, Akram have gone on record to say he is better than Lara."
 
crappycraperson said:
And you have not watched Bradman play or most of the Sobers career. Your explanation in post no.158 is only concerning the sunny-viv issue. It merely makes the point that they peaked at different time. But they still played in the same era, any cricket fan would think of Viv in WI team when Gavaskar was in India's. But you are going out of your way to not accept your mistake there.

I could digest someone rating lara more than Sachin but he certainly ain't " head and shoulders" above him.

Sunny was already a star before Viv made his debut he was widely regarded as the best batsmen in the world before Viv completed couple of years in the international cricket. Was that the case with Tendulkar and Lara.. Explain youself..

You cannot expect a coherent discussion if you are going call others by names.
 
It would really be a lot better just to admit your mistake. And then somehow back up your claims to 'brilliancy' which are looking unfounded at this point.
 
vijay said:
Sunny was already a star before Viv made his debut he was widely regarded as the best batsmen in the world before Viv completed couple of years in the international cricket. Was that the case with Tendulkar and Lara.. Explain youself..

You cannot expect a coherent discussion if you are going call others by names.
Everyone calls each other by names in the caf, serious discussion or otherwise, muppet.

You still haven't responded to the second point.

Explain myself? At what?

They played in the same era, it was not the case of Sobers playing his last few years clasing with sunny's debut ones. Majority of their career was spent in the same era. Viv was well established by 1979 WC when he hit that century in the final. Was gavaskar in twilight of his career then? Every fans perception is that they belonged to the same generation. Like Sachin and lara.
Accept it you idiot
 
vijay said:
what was the mistake?

You said you listed one great batsman from each generation. But you listed Richards and Gavaskar, who, however you interpret the term, are from the same generation.

Then you started bleating at Crappy in a pathetic way about careers.

Then you claimed to be brilliant, but decided not to back that up in any way.

I think that summarises your performance on this thread. 0/10.
 
What a lame thread this has turned into.

Sachin > Lara.

But Sobers must be considered the best cricketer ever.. his statistics are just phenominal.
 
sincher said:
You said you listed one great batsman from each generation. But you listed Richards and Gavaskar, who, however you interpret the term, are from the same generation.

Then you started bleating at Crappy in a pathetic way about careers.

Then you claimed to be brilliant, but decided not to back that up in any way.

I think that summarises your performance on this thread. 0/10.

Read post not 158.. If you find time .. I've already given him the explanation

In the 70's it was Gavaskar, Lloyd and the Chappels

and in the 80's

its was Richards all the way albeit Gavaskar was also there

Speaking about careers..There are better things to do rather than calling others as idiots in an open forum.
 
vijay said:
Read post not 158.. If you find time .. I've already given him the explanation

In the 70's it was Gavaskar, Lloyd and the Chappels

and in the 80's

its was Richards all the way albeit Gavaskar was also there

Right. Still doesn't explain why you had to be such a twat to Crappy, who understandably used the common understanding of 'generation', rather than your frankly wrong definition of it. Does it?
 
vijay said:
Read post not 158.. If you find time .. I've already given him the explanation

In the 70's it was Gavaskar, Lloyd and the Chappels

and in the 80's

its was Richards all the way albeit Gavaskar was also there

Speaking about careers..There are better things to do rather than calling others as idiots in an open forum.
You are not going to accept it?
Anyway what about:
"There after to show that Holding > Marshall, used testimony by other cricketers who played against them. That parameter would effectively nullify you claim that Lara is better than Sachin, given the fact almost every prominent cricketer like Warne, waugh, Akram have gone on record to say he is better than Lara.""

Quotes on Sachin by other people:

"I just get the feeling because of his mental strength that Sachin will be definitely the best player of his era and probably the best 2-3 of all time."
Greg Chappell

"Sachin is a genius. I'm a mere mortal."
Brian Lara in Outlook

"He is the greatest batsman alive"
Martin Crowe

“He is 99.5% Perfect.. I’ll pay to watch him play”
- King Richards

“If I had to bowl to Sachin I would bowl with a halmet on. He hits the ball so hard”
- Dennis Lillie

(after being defeated in the Coca-Cola Cup finals in Sharjah) "It was one of the greatest innings I have ever seen. There is no shame being beaten by such a great player, Sachin is perhaps only next to the Don''.
- Steve Waugh


"Don't bowl him bad balls, he hits the good ones for fours."
- Michael Kasprowicz

"I'll be going to bed having nightmares of Sachin just running down the wicket and belting me back over the head for six. He was unstoppable. I don't think anyone, apart from Don Bradman, is in the same class as Sachin Tendulkar. He is just an amazing player."
- Shane Warne


Today, he showed the world why he is considered the best batsman around. Some of the shots he played were simply amazing. Earlier, opposing teams used to feel that Sachin's dismissal meant they could win the game. Today, I feel that the Indian players, too, feel this way.
Wasim Akram, after game at Hobart, CUB series, 1999

Consensus is that Sir Donald Bradman was the best batsman ever to play Cricket. Sir Don did not play One-Day Cricket but if he did, he could easily be Sachin Tendulkar.
Barry Richards

Beneath the helmet, under that unruly curly hair, inside the cranium, there is something we don't know, something beyond scientific measure. Something that allows him to soar, to roam a territory of sport that, forget us, even those who are gifted enough to play alongside him cannot even fathom. When he goes out to bat, people switch on their television sets and switch off their lives.
--BBC Sports, on Sachin Tendulkar.

Finally, the Don
I saw him playing on television and was struck by his technique, so I asked my wife to come look at him. Now I never saw myself play, but I feel that this player is playing much the same as I used to play, and she looked at him on Television and said yes, there is a similarity between the two...hi compactness, technique, stroke production... it all seemed to gel! in reference to Sachin Tendulkar.
- Sir Don Bradman
 
vijay said:
Read post not 158.. If you find time .. I've already given him the explanation

In the 70's it was Gavaskar, Lloyd and the Chappels

and in the 80's

its was Richards all the way albeit Gavaskar was also there

Speaking about careers..There are better things to do rather than calling others as idiots in an open forum.
:lol:
You don't need to half worry about my career.
Will complete my engineering next year, already have a job in hand, already have a call from US and german university for masters.
Feck off
 
sincher said:
Right. Still doesn't explain why you had to be such a twat to Crappy, who understandably used the common understanding of 'generation', rather than your frankly wrong definition of it. Does it?

You must try reading crappy's posts from the first page and come back to me. I generally dont abuse kids....

Speaking about careers....There are better ways to spend time to do rather than calling others as idiots in an open forum.
 
Its a bit strange that you have been in this forum for longer time than me and are complaining about name calling.
 
crappycraperson said:
:lol:
You don't need to half worry about my career.
Will complete my engineering next year, already have a job in hand, already have a call from US and german university for masters.
Feck off

I've already completed my masters there thicko.....

You must learn to behave first.
 
vijay said:
I've already completed my masters there thicko.....

You must learn to behave first.
Feck off.
Still have not accepted your mistake and answered my second point.
 
vijay said:
You dont have any point. You are simply posting some cut and paste argument
"There after to show that Holding > Marshall, used testimony by other cricketers who played against them. That parameter would effectively nullify you claim that Lara is better than Sachin, given the fact almost every prominent cricketer like Warne, waugh, Akram have gone on record to say he is better than Lara."


It is incredibly simple to respond instead of making daft comments.
 
crappycraperson said:
You are not going to accept it?
Anyway what about:
"There after to show that Holding > Marshall, used testimony by other cricketers who played against them. That parameter would effectively nullify you claim that Lara is better than Sachin, given the fact almost every prominent cricketer like Warne, waugh, Akram have gone on record to say he is better than Lara.""

Quotes on Sachin by other people:

"I just get the feeling because of his mental strength that Sachin will be definitely the best player of his era and probably the best 2-3 of all time."
Greg Chappell

"Sachin is a genius. I'm a mere mortal."
Brian Lara in Outlook

"He is the greatest batsman alive"
Martin Crowe

“He is 99.5% Perfect.. I’ll pay to watch him play”
- King Richards

“If I had to bowl to Sachin I would bowl with a halmet on. He hits the ball so hard”
- Dennis Lillie

(after being defeated in the Coca-Cola Cup finals in Sharjah) "It was one of the greatest innings I have ever seen. There is no shame being beaten by such a great player, Sachin is perhaps only next to the Don''.
- Steve Waugh


"Don't bowl him bad balls, he hits the good ones for fours."
- Michael Kasprowicz

"I'll be going to bed having nightmares of Sachin just running down the wicket and belting me back over the head for six. He was unstoppable. I don't think anyone, apart from Don Bradman, is in the same class as Sachin Tendulkar. He is just an amazing player."
- Shane Warne


Today, he showed the world why he is considered the best batsman around. Some of the shots he played were simply amazing. Earlier, opposing teams used to feel that Sachin's dismissal meant they could win the game. Today, I feel that the Indian players, too, feel this way.
Wasim Akram, after game at Hobart, CUB series, 1999

Consensus is that Sir Donald Bradman was the best batsman ever to play Cricket. Sir Don did not play One-Day Cricket but if he did, he could easily be Sachin Tendulkar.
Barry Richards

Beneath the helmet, under that unruly curly hair, inside the cranium, there is something we don't know, something beyond scientific measure. Something that allows him to soar, to roam a territory of sport that, forget us, even those who are gifted enough to play alongside him cannot even fathom. When he goes out to bat, people switch on their television sets and switch off their lives.
--BBC Sports, on Sachin Tendulkar.

Finally, the Don
I saw him playing on television and was struck by his technique, so I asked my wife to come look at him. Now I never saw myself play, but I feel that this player is playing much the same as I used to play, and she looked at him on Television and said yes, there is a similarity between the two...hi compactness, technique, stroke production... it all seemed to gel! in reference to Sachin Tendulkar.
- Sir Don Bradman
Great quotes those.. sad memories are so short. A few injuries and time away from the game, and is greatness is at times questioned. IMO hel never be the same player, his utility is mainly in his presence today. But Indian fans who have truely supported their team for the last decade know how this man carried our team.
 
crappycraperson said:
"There after to show that Holding > Marshall, used testimony by other cricketers who played against them. That parameter would effectively nullify you claim that Lara is better than Sachin, given the fact almost every prominent cricketer like Warne, waugh, Akram have gone on record to say he is better than Lara."


It is incredibly simple to respond instead of making daft comments.

That was not the only point I said why Holding is better than Marshall...Read the other ones...

The same set of cricketers and the media are also claiming Lara as the greatest especially after he hit 375 against England... So in terms of appreciations and recognitions its even out there...

Bottomline...

Lara is better than Tendulkar
 
vijay said:
That was not the only point I said why Holding is better than Marshall...Read the other ones...

The same set of cricketers and the media are also claiming Lara as the greatest especially after the hit 375 against England... So in terms of appreciations and recognitions its even out there...

Bottomline...

Lara is better than Tendulkar
Except he is not and certainly ain't "head and shoulders" above him.

When Lara hit 375, Tendulkar was no where his peak then, Lara was rightfully considered the best batsman then.
After 96 WC and 98-2002 seasons, Tendulkar was acknowledged as the best and better than Lara by almost everyone.
You would be hard pressed ot find anyone when asked about Lara and Tendulkar, proclaiming lara as better.
 
Slabber said:
Marshall is the greatest bowler of all time.

FACT.
:lol:
That came out of no where.
And before you ask I did n't actually laught out loud at that one but there isn't a :hehe: smilie.
 
crappycraperson said:
Except he is not and certainly ain't "head and shoulders" above him.

When Lara hit 375, Tendulkar was no where his peak then, Lara was rightfully considered the best batsman then.
After 96 WC and 98-2002 seasons, Tendulkar was acknowledged as the best and better than Lara by almost everyone.
You would be hard pressed ot find anyone when asked about Lara and Tendulkar, proclaiming lara as better.



98-2002 - There was a big media hype created for him with all the spastic softdrink ads and the other commercials. In contrast West Indies decline started in 95 after Aussies beat them there.

Apart from the home series against Australia, and an odd hundreds against South Africa and another one in Australia , tell me a series in which Tendulkar had dominated the oppostion.
 
vijay said:
98-2002 - There was a big media hype created for him with all the spastic softdrink ads and the other commercials. In contrast West Indies decline started in 95 after Aussies beat them there.

Apart from the home series against Australia, and an odd hundreds against South Africa and another one in Australia , tell me a series in which Tendulkar had dominated the oppostion.

During span of 10-12 months he scored about 9 ODI hundreds and lot other match winning innings, hence dominating a number of ODI series during that period.
Other than that Aussie tour which was a big one since it included 2 ODI series and a test series, he performed very well in OZ away when he was awarded the Man of the series, would have performed even better if it had not been for 4 wrong decission by the umpires down under.
In almost every home series against everytime he invariably hit a ton or two. Again performed in SA away series where that Match refree controversy take place. Capped it all of with 2003 WC , winning man of the series again.
Hold the record for highest run in WC, second highest as well for 96.

How about naming the series where lara dominated?
Lara has been extremely inconsistent and the fact that he had more match winning innings in test than Tendulkar can not compensate that.
Plus Sachin has perfomed against the best bowlers of his team. May be Akram possibly got better of him on few occassions.
 
vijay said:
98-2002 - There was a big media hype created for him with all the spastic softdrink ads and the other commercials. In contrast West Indies decline started in 95 after Aussies beat them there.

Apart from the home series against Australia, and an odd hundreds against South Africa and another one in Australia , tell me a series in which Tendulkar had dominated the oppostion.
Do you know how awful India were during the 96 to 2001 period?? Do you remember how pathetic we used to be in countries like South Africa and Australia?? 3-0 was almost always the scoreline we would lose by. feck almost a whole decade he carried us.. when Sachin was out we lost..

Finally he capped his run of amazing achievements with that magnificent last world cup he had. Biggest stage in cricket, and surprise surprise, he carried us to the finals.. and i believe had our bowlers not lost thier heads, and conceded around 280 odd, he would have done something special.
 
crappycraperson said:
During span of 10-12 months he scored about 9 ODI hundreds and lot other match winning innings, hence dominating a number of ODI series during that period.
Other than that Aussie tour which was a big one since it included 2 ODI series and a test series, he performed very well in OZ away when he was awarded the Man of the series, would have performed even better if it had not been for 4 wrong decission by the umpires down under.
In almost every home series against everytime he invariably hit a ton or two. Again performed in SA away series where that Match refree controversy take place. Capped it all of with 2003 WC , winning man of the series again.
Hold the record for highest run in WC, second highest as well for 96.
You put it better than i did. And i remember those tours of Australia, it was hilarious how he would keep getting such poor decisions against him. That tour i gave up, i would wait for the next appeal which wasnt even close, to be given. And they used to call our Indian umpires dodgy.
 
Spoony said:
No.

We've always been better than India.

Always.
Except when we drew with you 1-1 in England in tests, and beat you in the ODIs. And beat you at home in tests and drew in ODIs. Also awhile later beat you in the world cup, and also knocked you out of the champions trophy(i think).

Oh, and btw, wev won a World Cup. :D