So if we managed to keep Ronaldo...... Football doesn't work like this and on a side note he should have bought far better than Lambert and Ballotelli in all honesty!
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So if we managed to keep Ronaldo...... Football doesn't work like this and on a side note he should have bought far better than Lambert and Ballotelli in all honesty!
Observers of football tend to be very short-sighted and I think that's what Rodgers was saying. The real measure of someone's talent, whether players or managers, is longevity. Anyone can have a great game or a great month, even a great season, but the top players and managers do it every season. He was helped enormously by having Suarez last season: the man single-handedly ran teams ragged and scored a hatful. Add to that, Sterling burst on the scene, Coutinho, Henderson and Gerrard are freed up by Suarez's dominant performances, and you have yourself a potent attacking force that I don't see Rodgers as being that responsible for, tactically.
Take away Suarez this season and now your striker isn't defending from the front and harassing defences to death. Now teams can focus on Sterling a bit more, Coutinho and Henderson don't have the same passing options and are more easily contained, and Gerrard, without the Hollywood pass to the most willing runner in football, is shown up for the lethargic millstone that he is now. And what can Rodgers do about it? Nothing. Last season was their perfect storm and they are back to theirs and his levels.
Take away Suarez this season and now your striker isn't defending from the front and harassing defences to death. Now teams can focus on Sterling a bit more, Coutinho and Henderson don't have the same passing options and are more easily contained, and Gerrard, without the Hollywood pass to the most willing runner in football, is shown up for the lethargic millstone that he is now. And what can Rodgers do about it? Nothing. Last season was their perfect storm and they are back to theirs and his levels.
But surely he could get a coach in to help him defensively?
Who was there that would have joined them though? Balotelli was a punt signing, he did relatively well for Milan but he was always going to be either hit or miss, nothing in between. He's been terrible so far and I bet they'll be looking to offload in the Summer but for the price he was worth the gamble anyway in my opinion.
Sanchez turned them down, Cavani wouldn't have moved there, Falcao has been as terrible as Balotelli or even worse, there's a lack of British strikers who could improve them and the only two who are realistic targets and could do the job have only emerged this season (Berahino and Ings). They could have obviously scouted better but there was a distinct lack of good strikers moving last year.
There was lots of talk last night on twitter from Tony Evans etc about the 2014 summer transfers, and how Rodgers was given more say due to the impressive 2013/14 campaign. Rodgers was the one who identified Lallana, Lovren and Lambert.
I imagine this summer he'll have near enough no say in transfers after that mess.
I imagine this summer he'll have near enough no say in transfers after that mess.
Not excuse for that one no matter which way you look at it. The guy would look at home in The Championship. He is an old school British striker which doesn't reflect well on Rogers's mentality. Appalling that he was capped for England too, but yeah, Roy Hodgson.
Egos way to big for that, his comment when asked about our new found defensive solidity a month or so back was " that new defensive coach you've all been talking about" he does not realise how big of a hinderance it is and the only way we've negated it is in a 3-4-3 where we look relatively solid but even then its just a by product of a formation that allows us to have a stopper and a sweeper, get men back, mantain shape and gives each of our defenders smaller zones of the pitch to defend. Now that formation is on the back burner for now or at least untill we find two players who are comfortable playing wing-back ( Ibe could be one) and switch the diamond up front so we have Coutinho behind two strikers and therefore an actual goal threat. The only problem is the roles are quite defined, you take Skrtel out of the sweeper role and Lucas out the stopper role and we look confused and teams cut through us like butter. Then when you put Skrtel back in a four he is utter tripe.Skrtel Sakho Lovren Toure, these are all international defenders who have looked fine in other systems and under various different managers, they didnt all just join Liverpool and become decidedly average, it's a huge concern that needs to be rectified. Although having a couple in form strikers would probably gloss the issue over.
It's one thing having the (admirable) self-confidence to refuse to have a defensive coach or a DoF, quite another when one's track record doesn't really merit that self-confidence or sense of entitlement. Given how big a club Liverpool is, and how small in comparison Rodgers' achievements are, I'm amazed that FSG didn't tell him to - as we say in the business - bugger off.
Sure...
Apparently, according to journalist Tony Evans: 'Rodgers will no longer be given scope to identify his own targets (Lambert, Lallana, Lovren were sought by Rodgers)'. I know it's easy enough to point and laugh at some of Brendan's signings, but I don't care for this modern-ish trend of non-footballing people recruiting players over the head of the manager. A boss stands or falls by his success or failure, and a massive part of that is having his players to choose from. Any other way just seems unfair to me.
It's also an admirable quality to recognise one's weaknesses and find ways to minimalise them whilst maximising there strengths. Ferguson did it for years as have many top managers, Rodgers needs to learn not everything he does has to be enacted by himself.
But when that man has a questionable eye for spotting a player surely it's best to let him focus on what he's best at (coaching) and let somebody else bring in his "type" of player. Regardless we need to committ to one or the other and it looks like we're going with a TC. Just as an example i heard somewhere yesterday that the TC was pushing for Firmino whereas Rodgers really wanted Lallana. I suspect he's now used up any goodwill last season bought him.
It's not Brendan's money that he can spend it on dross just because he is the boss. He has been given that opportunity and obviously not performed well. The owners have definitely lost trust in his judgment of players and that is quite understandable. As a club Liverpool cannot afford an outlay of 100m every summer.
If Brendan doesn't like this arrangement then he knows where the door is. Something tells me he is going to fall in line and blame the transfer committee the moment things stop working. If it does work out then obviously it is all due to him.
Yeah, fair points, both. I myself suspect that BR has a parochial approach to possible signings (i.e. he's most familiar with 'domestic' players, and concentrates on those rather than having a worldwide perspective.)
He made mistakes in the transfer market. That doesn't make him a bad manager. He took risks, I could name a few worse signings that we've seen at United over the years than Lambert and Balotelli.
Ronaldo and United don't compare. You're comparing a team that went to three champions league finals, won one and also won 3 out of 5 premierships, to a team that haven't won a trophy in god knows how long.
I think you are wrong on many levels here buddy. It's not for me to say who to sign but Rodgers bought 2 strikers that are not the most mobile and he likes to play a pressing game! Surely that's enough to suggest they won't fit in?
i would disagree with that. As poor as falcao has been its not for lack of trying. Balotelli is a detriment every aspect on/off the pitch
Nothing to do with his ego. 'Defensive coaches' are a myth - they don't exist.
Steve Clarke wasn't exactly awful for us defensively, I just can't think of other means to solve the issue, after three seasons I don't think Rodgers is going to do it by himself.
Steve Clarke wasn't a defence coach - he was first team coach.
No PL team has a specially designated defensive coach. You coach the team as a whole, not just specifically the defence, midfield or attack.
Some managers like Ferguson/Dalglish opt to get coaches in to train the team for them i.e Meulensteen/Queiroz/Clarke, and they may focus more specifically on organisation/the defensive side of the game. Rodgers is very hands on and does the coaching himself alongside Colin Pascoe and Mike Marsh.
Fair enough that's what I was getting at but you've put it more succinctly, still then we should try to employ a more defense orientated first team coach alongside our current triumvirate.
Scott Marshall at Villa was a specified Defensive Coach until recently. It's not rare to have a coach who focuses on the defensive side of the game.
Think the big man is getting sacked at this rate.
Rodgers will be delighted with the 74% possession, he'll be thinking West Brom have seen what his teams all about.
An inspiring bunch.
Liverpool were absolutely outstanding today
Proud of ma team. The control, the passin', the movement. Just needed that wee bit of luck.
To be fair, it is difficult to score past WBA defending like they do, with literally no decent striker.
To be fair, it is difficult to score past WBA defending like they do, with literally no decent striker.
Keep it up Brendan.
An inspiring bunch.
Rookie mistake from a man who has definitely read every available self-help book concerning body language.
KRAP
Those pictures don't look good from his perspective, like he knows something has already been decided on behind the scenes.
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I mean, holy shit. He's gone surely?
Moyes won the Charity Shield and reached the quarter-final of the Champions League...
"It was outstanding. Everything was outstanding. My man management was outstanding."
Don't think that'd work as a more defence minded coach would have different ideals on how to coach the game which would contradict Rodgers and co.
i.e perhaps he'd want to concentrate on controlling space rather than possession which is the opposite of Rodgers.
He was also 'first team coach'.
I know this has been done literally a few pages back but I can't get enough so more lessons from his self mentoring "My biggest mentor is myself because I’ve had to study, so that’s been my biggest influence."
"Liverpool Football Club is the heartland of football folklore."
BBC reported this:
And as for what he actually said in direct quotes - "This is a competition that has great history for Liverpool. It's an opportunity for these players to write themselves into folklore by winning the game and making sure we get into the next round."
"When you’ve got the ball 65-70% of the time, it’s a football death for the other team. We’re not at that stage yet, but that’s what we will get to. It’s death by football. You just suck the life out of them."
He did this today, good job Brentan.
"Liverpool are one of the dynasties of the game. They have won five European Cups and their status is up there with AC Milan, Inter Milan, Barcelona, Real Madrid and Bayern Munich."
"The Liverpool jersey has become heavy to wear and I want to change that."
"All I can say is that I am a people’s person"
Balotelli
"I believe a young player will run through a barbed wire fence for you. An older player looks for a hole in the fence."
Gerrard stamps his own hole and then slips through it.
"You train dogs, I like to educate players."
Maybe that's why you couldn't get the ball off the Trainer-coach.
"I’ve always said that you can live without water for many days, but you can’t live for a second without hope."
I see you're bursting with hope:
"If you give a bad player time, he can play. If you give a good player time, he can kill you."
If you give Stevie G time he'll feck your season up.
"It was a perfect away performance, apart from the first 10 minutes."
So it wasn't a perfect away performance you idiot.
"I want to use the incredible support to make coming to Anfield the longest 90 minutes of an opponent’s life."
The 'incredible support' looked embarrassed at Juanfield.
"All I'll ever do is all I've ever done in any job, and that's promise to fight for my life for the supporters and the people of the city."
"Liverpool Football Club is the heartland of football folklore."
BBC reported this:
And as for what he actually said in direct quotes - "This is a competition that has great history for Liverpool. It's an opportunity for these players to write themselves into folklore by winning the game and making sure we get into the next round."
"When you’ve got the ball 65-70% of the time, it’s a football death for the other team. We’re not at that stage yet, but that’s what we will get to. It’s death by football. You just suck the life out of them."
He did this today, good job Brentan.
"Liverpool are one of the dynasties of the game. They have won five European Cups and their status is up there with AC Milan, Inter Milan, Barcelona, Real Madrid and Bayern Munich."
"The Liverpool jersey has become heavy to wear and I want to change that."
"All I can say is that I am a people’s person"
Balotelli
"I believe a young player will run through a barbed wire fence for you. An older player looks for a hole in the fence."
Gerrard stamps his own hole and then slips through it.
"You train dogs, I like to educate players."
Maybe that's why you couldn't get the ball off the Trainer-coach.
"I’ve always said that you can live without water for many days, but you can’t live for a second without hope."
I see you're bursting with hope:
"If you give a bad player time, he can play. If you give a good player time, he can kill you."
If you give Stevie G time he'll feck your season up.
"It was a perfect away performance, apart from the first 10 minutes."
So it wasn't a perfect away performance you idiot.
"I want to use the incredible support to make coming to Anfield the longest 90 minutes of an opponent’s life."
The 'incredible support' looked embarrassed at Juanfield.
"All I'll ever do is all I've ever done in any job, and that's promise to fight for my life for the supporters and the people of the city."
Looks like a man who might forget to turn off the stove before he left. "Did I do it or not?"
An inspiring bunch.
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